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Big Brother

Since: 9.12.01
From: ミネアポリス

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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.09
We had 16 posts over in the prediction thread; only one mentioned Brock Lesnar (but said only that there'd be an cash-in).

Given the results we DID have...are you on board? Are you out? Does it not affect you because you were already out?

This would usually cause me to stop paying attention but I'm so close to already there. But I want to be optimistic about Heyman's new role overseeing RAW (and, presumably, the Universal title) so...I'm sure I'm around to at least see how this might build to SummerSlam.

(RAW may totally change these thoughts, of course - for better OR for worse - so I figured I'd better speak this piece now)

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Since: 2.1.02
From: PA

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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.37
Not sure how/what came across on TV but there were multiple "We Want Brock"/"No We Don't" chants in the arena during the main event.

It just feels like a rerun again...we've been here before with part-time champ Lesnar over and over...

Since: 11.1.02
From: Brunswick, GA

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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.54
I'm bored with it, and Seth winning the title shot on Raw did nothing to help. Now if they threw it at somebody random - Big E or Cesaro - it could have been an intriguing SummerSlam match. But Brock & Seth again? Meh.

Someone on Twitter pointed out that it has been over 800 days since Brock, Seth or Roman had held the belt. Almost three years. The last person outside of them to hold it was Goldberg in March 2017. BORING.
Matt Tracker

Since: 8.5.03
From: North Carolina

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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.26
I keep thinking about the Black/Cesaro match. It didn't sound like the crowd was into it, and I wonder if it was because the match flow was so unusual. Cesaro catching Black in a Meteora and then heaving him for an uppercut is inhuman.

Someone on reddit quoted Bryan Alvarez that the WWE is exactly where it was in 2017 (, and that's deflating. Not as deflating as Lesnar coming out at the very end of a PPV to stand tall with the show's biggest prize twice since May. And the current RAW main event at Summerslam is, oh, the deepest of weary sighs. We're treading water. Again.

"To be the man, you gotta beat demands." -- The Lovely Mrs. Tracker

Since: 12.1.02
From: Fresno, CA

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#5 Posted on
I'm glad they got the Brock cash-in out of the way, but I'd like to see something different. That Brock/Roman/Seth/Goldberg(?!) stat is disheartening to say the least.

Edit: When did Zack Ryder get such generic entrance music?

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Head cheese

Since: 28.3.11
From: England

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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.63
Are they better to just do something completely different and push people who would be a complete surprise, or just stick with the same?

The image going around of having the same champions as a year or 2 ago is not good to see at all. Surely it is worth doing something that is a shock and giving it a go rather than what has proven to be unpopular and ratings losers. Shit or bust? Unlikely to be less popular than the current attempt.

Since: 20.3.02
From: California

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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.08
I've been out for a while, only paying attention to WrestleMania and the Rumble for social reasons (still predicting PPVs since WWE has been basically the same exact show for the past 5 years).

Brock's story has been told, and even if they got cold feet, he still lost to both Rollins and Reigns at big PPVs only for us to go back to a hard reset Brock title reign in short order, which has conditioned us to realize everything is meaningless.

Even when Brock unquestionably loses for good, no one is going to buy that it's the end. And if they do, and it's clearly the end of his contract, it'll be expected and won't have the same "oomph!" if they just had Brock put someone over years ago when ending the Streak was fresh in our heads.

And there's always the off chance for Abeyance/Vacant to get a title reign if Brock tears a muscle or whatever.

I know it seemed like the right decision at the time, but they really should have just had Reigns beat him at WM31. I know the Rollins cash-in was cool and all, but shit was hot that night and hasn't been the same since.

And it's pretty clear to me what's happening (even though, yes, I don't know first hand) but it always seems like Vince makes these knee-jerk decisions with Heyman/Brock when there's the threat of Brock leaving or he has a ratings panic and needs to coax him to come back. Heyman's playing Vince like a fiddle. It's very Hogan/Bischoff with TNA/WCW.

I don't know that this is the right way to go after they've played Brock out so much so recently.

But hey, we have alternatives and it's still fun to talk about.


Since: 27.2.03
From: Parts Unknown

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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.40
I've mentioned before that I'm mostly 205/NXT/NXT UK these days, but I still have RAW and Smackdown on in the background if, occasionally, something neat happens. I will say, since the switch-up, RAW has improved dramatically, although there's still only so much you can do with a 3-hour show to keep it interesting the whole way through. Due to this-and-that, I've missed a bunch of Smackdown lately, so I can't really speak to the show. But I've been really happy with Kofi as champ and surprised at how well they've handled that. I guess I'd say I have a gently positive attitude toward the so-called Main Roster right now.

Since: 5.9.08

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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.14
I'm utterly bored by the product. However, Extreme Rules looked like garbage, so I would not put too much stock in the low turnout being a board problem.

Now previewing the Fall TV lineup.@realjoecarfley
Peter The Hegemon
Lap cheong

Since: 11.2.03
From: Hackettstown, NJ

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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.54
I think the lack of a thread about Raw Reunion is a louder answer to this question than anything else could be.

Since: 27.2.03
From: Parts Unknown

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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.40
    Originally posted by Peter The Hegemon
    I think the lack of a thread about Raw Reunion is a louder answer to this question than anything else could be.

I mean, what's to say about a bunch of guys showing up who haven't really had anything to offer in about a decade? I never get excited for the old-timers coming back to talk about the good ol' days. I said that I'n NXT/205, and between the NXT Break-out Tournament and the fact that a bunch of NXT guys have been working 205, we're seeing some new faces and some fresh match-ups there.

I actually wish I had the time to keep doing the NXT recaps - I'd probably add a 205 one at this point, too.

Since: 12.2.02
From: Cleveland, Ohio

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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.32
FWIW, I really miss your recaps. They were a lot of fun to read.

I'm also in the camp of enjoying 205 live and NXT enough to watch them. Raw and SD are pretty much recap-only for me anymore. I'd like to watch NXT UK too, but I'm not paying for the network just for that.

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