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Since: 2.1.02
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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.29
Honestly, for the past month, I have seriously been considering dropping Raw, and if there hasn't even been a thread started yet, guess I'm not the only one.

EXCEPT, to see Orton and Brawx interactions now. And so begins Randy's face turn, by not really becoming a face. Intersting.

Everyone should prepare for their matches with Kane by watching his movies.

Cesaro and Ziggler's match was, indeed, awesome, like the crowd chanted. AND, Dolf had a match in the third hour instead of jerking the curtain.

I literally walked away from the tv when I heard "Sheamus" and "Miz", but did stop for a sec to check out Sandow.

Brie mode. Nikki. Whatevs. You know whoever loses that match is going to be leaving the company in a month.

Any idea who the soldier was? Local plant or new hire? They kept that blood toa bare minimum. OMG BIG SHOW IS OUT OF CONTROL WHAT WILL HE DO?!?!?!?! Lose to Rusev.

General Kane looked like he had thinmgs well in hand, until he ordered the cage to be lowered. Did Orton hurt his thigh on that broken table leg?

-edit- Oh, and seriously their whole countering MNF's halftime was Ambrose using tongs and a saw to choppychoppythepeepee lame-ass gags that Ambrose is well past? Wtf. Thankfully, Foley comes out to save the day, cheap pop and all. For an undisclosed sum. Beautiful.

(edited by JimBob Skeeter on 21.10.14 0804)
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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.95
SANDOWITZ WINS.
SANDOWITZ WINS.
SANDOWITZ WINS.



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.94
Forget Orton's title shot, this KC Royals guy is getting the Jesus push.

The unspoken thread of the Authority is that Hunter is yet another RAW boss who can't manage the asylum. Nobody can. The need for prestige and respect makes the superstars unmanageable.



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Since: 6.1.02
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.49
Was it me or was John Cena kinda channeling his inner Dusty Rhodes tonight?

The F-bomb Orton dropped (I assume about something going wrong with the bump & the table) was the loudest botch I've ever heard. Wow.



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.42
Rollins/Ambrose ending in a HitC would've seemed perfect a few months ago. Now, I'm just surprised by how cold the feud is. The match will probably be pretty good - the whole PPV will probably be good - but everything about the feud seems far less interesting than the day Ambrose came back from the movie.



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Since: 6.1.02
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.49
Yeah - the haven't really progressed the feud much. "Rollins you sellout, you stabbed me in the back!" "Whatever dummy, who cares?" They've been going back and forth on this for months at this point. Add something already.



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.57
That time when they somehow sent Dean Ambrose out to have the worst TV segment of 2014.

They did pretty much everything wrong in the second half of the Rollins/Ambrose feud, starting with Reigns* getting a clean win on Raw over Rollins basically negating Ambrose's quest to get Rollins. Nerfing Ambrose, letting Cena get a hold of some of his heat, repeatedly putting him in matches with Kane (and even Rollins himself!), having Cena actually come out and go "This guy is like The Joker!" to kill off whatever nuance was left...just bad news all around.

Having Cena lose the match to Ambrose to fight Rollins and be punished by, er, main eventing the next PPV in a #1 contenders match just kinda topped it all off, I guess.

(Rollins has kind of come out of this OK, though. The downside of him as this kind of heel - as opposed to Shield Rollins - is that we don't get to see him do all the cool stuff he used to, but his mic work has improved quite a bit, and Rollins/Orton and Rollins/Lesnar are now things I think I'd like to see.)

GOOD THINGS:

-Rollins can teleport again! There's no other way to explain how he got to the top of the Cell that fast at the end of the show.

-Miz/Mizdow/Goldust/Stardust have all aligned, meaning we're only Orton away from my Survivor Series prediction for The Punt Doubles.

-Ambrose, in that previously mentioned Worst TV Segment of 2014, was channeling NXT Winner Johnny Curtis with his literal puns, so we're also obviously going to get the Ambrose/Dirty Curty Scum Of The Earth Survivor Series team I predicted, too. I'm totally gonna win that contest!

-Orton openly fighting with crowds trying to antagonize him is and will always be glorious. They blew it big time by having super-over tweener psycho Orton lose to HHH at WMXXV, so I guess it's time to try that again, and the outside possibility of an Orton/Lesnar match is weirdly intriguing to me right now.

-Randy, after almost impaling himself on the table, throwing it and yelling "MMMMMMMMMMOOOOOOOOOOOOVE!" was the best. I guess, pretty much, I just want Orton to fight everyone now: Orton/Lesnar, Orton/Rollins, Orton/Entire Crowds, Orton/Inanimate Objects. Every possible match-up but Orton/Cena.


*I'm standing by the fake "Reigns injury was a work designed to get him popular again" rumor that I theoretically want to start, since it's working. It's telling that the only way they can seem get/keep somebody over is to take them completely off TV because of how badly they handle everyone who does appear.
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.38

    I'm standing by the fake "Reigns injury was a work designed to get him popular again" rumor that I theoretically want to start, since it's working. It's telling that the only way they can seem get/keep somebody over is to take them completely off TV because of how badly they handle everyone who does appear.


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Since: 16.10.02
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.95
    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely
    -Rollins can teleport again! There's no other way to explain how he got to the top of the Cell that fast at the end of the show.




Yeah. How DID he do that?

-Foley's Christmas obsession has gone from loveable quirk to just sad.

-Do we have to tune in next week to find out if Big Show found Rusev? He's a pretty good actor, but just went to far with it last night. The heel announcer should have pointed out that if Big Show never messed with the flags in the first place, it wouldn't have happened. Where's Jesse Ventura when you need him?
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.09
    Originally posted by JimBob Skeeter
    Honestly, for the past month, I have seriously been considering dropping Raw, and if there hasn't even been a thread started yet, guess I'm not the only one.



Right now, my time is way too expensive to waste it on watching 3 boring hours of RAW (or 2 boring hours of SmackDown) each week. That's why I started watching This Week in WWE on WWE Network instead. In addition, I watch NXT and Monday Night War.



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.94
    Originally posted by JimBob Skeeter
    Honestly, for the past month, I have seriously been considering dropping Raw, and if there hasn't even been a thread started yet, guess I'm not the only one.
I dropped it about a month ago and was skipping more than I watched for a while before that. I just got tired of spending three hours on a TV show and thinking "thank god THAT'S over" when I was done. I don't have time for that.

I also dropped the Network because 1) my interest in WWE is at an all-time low and 2) during live PPVs, the feed is worse than a stolen stream.

I watch some PPVs if I'm around while they're happening, I read these threads, and I read the Observer and listen to the Bryan/Dave podcasts. That's about it for me anymore. I'll get WWE 2K15 at some point since wrestling games are fun. And I watched about an hour of Smackdown on Friday - it was fine but felt very stale and samey, which it shouldn't (for me) since I've watched so little lately. But.



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.03
I also want to know when Seth Rollins became Kurt Wagner and *bamfed* his way on to the top of the Cell last night!

    Originally posted by dwaters
    -Foley's Christmas obsession has gone from loveable quirk to just sad.


Well Mick didn't give it a Cheap Plug but he's been involved in a documentary about Santa for the past year or so, hence his Santa clothes. And I thought he gave a Classic Foley Reason for it while tying it into the Cell.
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.34
I thought Foley was just channeling Luke Harper not Sandy Claws.

Orton getting pissed over crowds calling him boring and screw ups by others is tremendous. Ironically I was just watching a match from the Kofi Kingston v. Orton feud the other day and thought "man I missed when Orton threw tantrums due to Kofi's botching". Waitaminit? Where was Kofi all last night? Who's that in the Hornswoggle position Mackle!?

Orton getting visibly irritated randomly is the new seeing a piledriver in the 2000's.

Someone has to say it. The Susan G. Komen stuff being brought down to a minimum made the show more streamlined. Yeah it's a great cause, but it should really be brought down to 15 minutes worth of commercials and the pink ropes for the remainder of the month, anything else is overkill.

(edited by CruelAngel777 on 21.10.14 1158)


Cole: "Yeah, thanks to Kane. You should buy Kane a Rolex watch for what he did for you."
Rollins: "Oh don't be silly, Kane doesn't wear watches."
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.37
Seth must have BOOKED it up the side of that cage, I think he was on top of it before they were done showing the replay of him randomly attacking Orton.

Speaking of, it looks like Orton is turning face or, at least, psycho tweener. I want him to start going out and playing his favorite Vines of him RKOing the entire Internet every week, then make fun of the bad editing and whoever in the crowd he decides has a stupid face. Also, Orton vs Broken Table is officially the hottest feud of 2014. "MOOOOOOOOOOVE!" indeed. I'm also kinda looking forward to Orton feuding with Les-Nar the Conquerer, though knowing WWE they'll probably just give the main event to Cena again. That's kinda what they do.

Cesaro/Ziggler was good (again), but Ziggler really needs to come out of this losing streak. He's putting on great matches every time he's out there, but he needs to pick up an actual win here and there as well or he just looks like a glorified JTTS.

I was entertained by Mizdow getting to sub in for Miz in the rather tired 6-man matches we've seen half a dozen times now. Especially since he's quite over thanks to his mimicry.

And yes, thank the Goddess they toned down the Komen self-congratulation garbage. After awhile it starts becoming less about the charity and more about making sure EVERYONE knows how much you love the charity.

Hooray for a random Foley cameo, though damn Mick has gotten fat these days. Is he training to be a mall Santa? And is his Santa chair going to be covered in barbed wire and exploding thumbtacks?
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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.79
    Originally posted by CruelAngel777
    Someone has to say it. The Susan G. Komen stuff being brought down to a minimum made the show more streamlined. Yeah it's a great cause, but it should really be brought down to 15 minutes worth of commercials and the pink ropes for the remainder of the month, anything else is overkill.

    (edited by CruelAngel777 on 21.10.14 1158)


Well, the Komen Foundation is a bad charity, and I'd love to see them ditch it entirely, but I don't think we get to decide that. It's entirely corporate at this point.

I really thought that the show was the best top-to-bottom show they've done in months (I know, low bar). The Ambrose stuff I thought was okay on paper (seriously, it involved him stabbing a mannequin in the face with a screwdriver, and then threatening the actual Seth Rollins with a power drill), but in practice it dragged on forever while the announced did their best (worst) to get it over. The matches were all better than usual, and had actual finishes. I'm tentatively looking forward to Hell in the Cell.

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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.64
I've never wanted Randy Orton to win a match more in my life. Brock vs Orton would be great and make perfect story sense.

Really disappointed that Ambrose/Rollins isn't headlining, though.
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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.28
    Originally posted by Tenken347
    Well, the Komen Foundation is a bad charity, and I'd love to see them ditch it entirely, but I don't think we get to decide that. It's entirely corporate at this point.

THIS. There's plenty of articles online about how rotten a group Komens is. Surely WWE could have aligned with a more reputable group.

Dean Ambrose is the highlight of the show. Give him the entire three hours, and I'll sit right through it, commercials and all. As it stands now, I fast forward through a good 75% of RAW.

(edited by Oliver on 21.10.14 1813)


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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.01
    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    Rollins/Ambrose ending in a HitC would've seemed perfect a few months ago. Now, I'm just surprised by how cold the feud is. The match will probably be pretty good - the whole PPV will probably be good - but everything about the feud seems far less interesting than the day Ambrose came back from the movie.


Don't tell Reddit; Rollins/Ambrose at this point is Austin/Rock to them—better even!

How is it Ambrose has been chomping at the bit to get at Rollins for weeks...and then suddenly that all goes away once Mick Foley enters the ring? It just doesn't make sense to me. Remember when Ric Flair and Mr. Perfect could pretty much kick Macho Man's ass on the ground because too many WWF officials were holding him back from ripping Flair's head off?

The promos are flat. Ambrose tries too hard and Rollins had to rely on cliche heel tactics to generate any sort of heat. At a certain point, you can't blame "creative" for how poor their respective deliveries are.

And what was with that tepid "USA! USA!" chant? How disinterested has the crowd become that such a chance can't even hold for 10 seconds?

So much talking; so much pandering...this company has become so over-produced and uninspired and I don't see it getting better anytime soon.



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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.36
    Originally posted by Whattaburger
      Originally posted by thecubsfan
      Rollins/Ambrose ending in a HitC would've seemed perfect a few months ago. Now, I'm just surprised by how cold the feud is. The match will probably be pretty good - the whole PPV will probably be good - but everything about the feud seems far less interesting than the day Ambrose came back from the movie.


    Don't tell Reddit; Rollins/Ambrose at this point is Austin/Rock to them—better even!

    .


This is pretty much the greatest indictment of Reddit, anyone can post.



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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.99

How can any scripted show, scripted presumably by writers who write for a living, allow the phrase "destructive structure" to be used so many times. They had multiple people say it so you know it was intentional. Hell in the Cell: Being Two Opposite Things Simultaneously Since 1997.



    Originally posted by KJames199
    I dropped it about a month ago and was skipping more than I watched for a while before that. I just got tired of spending three hours on a TV show and thinking "thank god THAT'S over" when I was done. I don't have time for that.


In fairness, this has been a string of shows that were almost 1995 bad. RAW was actually pretty enjoyable a few months ago. After Summerslam it just went totally off the rails. I consider September-November WWE's off season, even if Vince doesn't. It was also horrendous this time last year.





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