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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.45
Jinder Mahal is the WWE Champion.
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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.52
Imagine a brand vs brand battle between champions. Brock vs Mahal. Whew.

I get the reasoning, but the build up isn't there for this and that's why fans are rebelling. I would buy Zack Ryder or almost anybody as champ if you gave him a story, built him up for let's say at least six months in the mid-card title scene, then moved him into the big title contention.

This is the equivalent of Titus O'Neil being the Raw champ.

Truth be told, the only match I watched was Breezango vs Usos thus far. Breezango for President & VP, please.
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.44
Kind of want to see a PWI style cover speculating about a Brock Lesnar/Jinder Mahal title unification bout.

The amazing thing was not the title change - it's a title that's bounced a lot this year and wasn't in an especially strong place before now - but all the non-WWE wrestlers who made a point of congratulating Jinder on his win. Maybe some of it is anti-Orton feelings, or "if he can do it, maybe I can!" spirit, but he seems very well liked by those who know him and I had no sense of that before last night.



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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.14
Developing markets > Good booking. Dont hinder Jinder though. He might be good enough to get them to Summer where LoL Cena wins. Other than that decent PPV.

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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.18
Wow, where to begin?

I'll preface this by saying that I was floating in and out of consciousness during the majority of the event, so I'm going to have to go back and watch the rest of it (read as: I'm not going to watch the rest of it.)

Jinder Mahal. Jinder Fucking Mahal.

I can only assume that Vince and HHH got together over a bottle of cheap vino and a WWE face book (not to be confused with the Official WWE Facebook Page) and played a tenuous game of Six Degrees of Paul Levesque.

"Bobby Roode looks like a brunette Triple H. Jinder Mahal looks like an Indian Bobby Roode. That's my new champ, pal!"

I like the Singh Brothers, aka J&J Security (But From The Mysterious And Exotic Subcontinent Of India), because the visual of a shredded guy having two bodyguards that are probably smaller than him combined is never not funny.

Eh, that's all I've got.

(edited by Spank E on 22.5.17 1810)


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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.93
    Originally posted by andy1278

    This is the equivalent of Titus O'Neil being the Raw champ.



Not really. The WWE has shown the willingness to put the title on an Indian for the sake of their Indian market and Mexicans for their Mexican market, and they'll probably put the title on Shinsuke at some point. But still no black champions for their black American audience. I hope it happens at some point but as of right now I'd say we'll see a Martian champion before a black champion.



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.25
The big spot of the next title change will be Cena giving him an Attitude Adjustment onto a pile of Clearasil pads.



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.19
Ryback apparently had this to say during his latest podcast. Note that it's before Mahal won the title, but still interesting:

"I don't know why. They have the TV deal, but people don't have any f--king money out there, so I don't know why they're trying to [appeal to that market]. I heard that the merchandise sales out there aren't good. No s--t! Like, I've been to India. They don't have money. There [are] certain people that do, but the ones that do, I'm pretty sure aren't f--king watching fake fighting."
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.45
    Originally posted by Quezzy
    But still no black champions for their black American audience. I hope it happens at some point but as of right now I'd say we'll see a Martian champion before a black champion.


So I gather we're not counting the World Heavyweight Championship? And that the Rock isn't black enough?

At least they're slowly improving in that direction. Naomi became the first black wrestler to ever win a championship at Wrestlemania. Previously, 4 black wrestlers had succcessfully defended a championship at Wrestlemania (The Rock, Jazz, Booker T (Tag), and Shelton Benjamen (Tag), but none had ever went into Wrestlemania as the challenger and walked out as champion. (Also, if Maven is black (I'm honestly not clear on that) then there was the hardcore championship abomination that he went into as champion, lost it, then regained it before the night was up.)

Incidentally, the first black wrestler to win a singles match at Wrestlemania was Butch Reed. He beat... Koko B. Ware. Koko B. Ware actually became the first black wrestler to defeat a white opponent in a single's match at Wrestlemania, though it was a dark match against the Brooklyn Brawler at Wrestlemania VII. Later on that night, Virgil, of all people, became the first black wrestler to defeat a white opponent on television when he defeated Ted Dibiase by countout.

Lawerence Taylor became the first black person to obtain a pinfall victory over a white opponent in a single's match during Wrestlemania XI, though he's obviously not a wrestler. The Rock defeated Rikishi via pinfall at Wrestlemania XIII, though Rikishi obviously isn't white. It wasn't until Wrestlemania X8, with The Rock pinning Hulk Hogan and Jazz pinned Lita (in a triple threat) that a black wrestler pinned a white wrestler at Wrestlemania for the first time.

They followed it up the next year with HHH defeating Booker T in a match I'm sure I don't need to detail the run up to here.
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.18
    Originally posted by Quezzy
      Originally posted by andy1278

      This is the equivalent of Titus O'Neil being the Raw champ.



    Not really. The WWE has shown the willingness to put the title on an Indian for the sake of their Indian market and Mexicans for their Mexican market, and they'll probably put the title on Shinsuke at some point. But still no black champions for their black American audience. I hope it happens at some point but as of right now I'd say we'll see a Martian champion before a black champion.

Ah, fuck it. I had posted a pic of The Rock but iPhones suck for posting media on here and it's an argument not worth having so...

(edited by Spank E on 22.5.17 2022)

(edited by Spank E on 22.5.17 2022)

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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.15
Show was fun. Opener with Nakamura's first WWE match was cool, the tag match was fun as hell to watch, the US Title match was epic up until the unique nonfinish,



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.26
Feels like a set-up for Jinder to be the transitional champ who gives up the belt to someone who "couldn't beat" Orton. Zayn. Nakamura. Styles.



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.95
There were so many over the top Jinder fans that I wasn't really looking forward to a Jinder win, but now so many people are losing their heads because Jinder is the champion I have decided to be for it. If Jinder Mahal is your breaking point than please go away.

This expands markets, but also motivates anyone with a spotty win loss record, so I don't see any real negative here and it will be even better if it leads to Rusev crushing people.

I'm mostly shocked that Randy Orton didn't dog it out there. One of the better showings by him in awhile.



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.44
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    Feels like a set-up for Jinder to be the transitional champ who gives up the belt to someone who "couldn't beat" Orton. Zayn. Nakamura. Styles.


Zayn versus Jinder doesn't seem impossible, but Styles seems to be still facing Owens after last night's finish and they didn't exactly put Nakamura in the title picture. I suspect this is going the opposite way - they're planning to get 2-3 out of Orton/Mahal before moving onto whoever next and felt they had to give Mahal a win to start if they were going to get people to care about the next couple.

Rusev was supposed to be on SD last week to make sure he got his title shot at Money in the Bank. They just dropped it cold instead, which might indicate when they decided they were going with this for a while.

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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.26
    Originally posted by Spank E
      Originally posted by Quezzy
        Originally posted by andy1278

        This is the equivalent of Titus O'Neil being the Raw champ.



      Not really. The WWE has shown the willingness to put the title on an Indian for the sake of their Indian market and Mexicans for their Mexican market, and they'll probably put the title on Shinsuke at some point. But still no black champions for their black American audience. I hope it happens at some point but as of right now I'd say we'll see a Martian champion before a black champion.

    Ah, fuck it. I had posted a pic of The Rock but iPhones suck for posting media on here and it's an argument not worth having so...

    (edited by Spank E on 22.5.17 2022)

    (edited by Spank E on 22.5.17 2022)


Rock is Half Samoan. And he's from a huge wrestling family. And he had to be basically the most charismatic superstar ever to get that position. As Chris Rock once said "Black man has to fly to get something the white man has to walk to"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Kxp9CEJeAg

(BTW, while I didn't watch the show, I continue to enjoy the troll job the WWE does. Always nice to see when a company just tries stuff and doesn't give a crap)



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.18
    Originally posted by DirtyMikeSeaver
      Originally posted by Spank E
        Originally posted by Quezzy
          Originally posted by andy1278

          This is the equivalent of Titus O'Neil being the Raw champ.



        Not really. The WWE has shown the willingness to put the title on an Indian for the sake of their Indian market and Mexicans for their Mexican market, and they'll probably put the title on Shinsuke at some point. But still no black champions for their black American audience. I hope it happens at some point but as of right now I'd say we'll see a Martian champion before a black champion.

      Ah, fuck it. I had posted a pic of The Rock but iPhones suck for posting media on here and it's an argument not worth having so...

      (edited by Spank E on 22.5.17 2022)

      (edited by Spank E on 22.5.17 2022)


    Rock is Half Samoan. And he's from a huge wrestling family. And he had to be basically the most charismatic superstar ever to get that position. As Chris Rock once said "Black man has to fly to get something the white man has to walk to"

    https://www.youtube.com/​watch?​v=9Kxp9CEJeAg

    (BTW, while I didn't watch the show, I continue to enjoy the troll job the WWE does. Always nice to see when a company just tries stuff and doesn't give a crap)


Yeah, he's half Samoan. What's the other half?



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.69
I haven't laughed at wrestling at the level I laughed when the ref's hand hit 3 in a long time, so this can't be all bad.

But man, when I think about how great SmackDown was 6 months ago and those great Cena/Styles matches, the laughter ends.
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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.11
Being Indian and having lived in India for 18 years, I feel like this expanding markets line of thought hasn't been properly explored.

1. Ryback (let's set aside his barely-concealed racism for a second) isn't wrong about merchandise sales. It's not because people don't have disposable income, because they do - the Indian middle class is far larger in sheer numbers than the American middle class. But that middle class has zero interest in paying American-scaled premium prices for merchandise when they will have pirated versions available for much less.

2. The general Indian populace cares about larger-than-life superheroes when it comes to entertainment. You'll see it in sports, movies, and pop culture. Your average wrestling fan in India cares only about John Cena or Roman Reigns, or whoever is the current "face of the company." That's not Jinder. When Khali was champion, it made the news, but it didn't move any merchandising needles. If they will buy merchandise, it'll be for the true superstars - WWE already has their money (as far as they can protect their business from piracy), they didn't need to make Jinder Mahal a champ to get it.

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3. If you want to expand to a market, does it really make sense to make the face of that expansion campaign a heel?

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4. Anyone with Google can find out that Jinder is Indian only in name - he's born in Canada, and he can barely string together a sentence in Punjabi. His Punjabi is the equivalent of the Incredible Hulk's English.


(edited by used2bcool on 22.5.17 1913)

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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.09
You know, I'm kinda into this Jinder run. I also should have called his victory, because you don't just give an entourage, new gimmick, & big push to a journeyman just to job them out to a placeholder champion because you need to fill an off-month PPV slot.

His current gimmick is obviously awful & straight out of 1989, but the game in the WWE has always been if you're offered screen time with an awful gimmick, you take it and gradually turn it into screen time with a good gimmick (New Day, APA, John Cena, Booker T, Edge, Mankind, HHH, Eddie, god this list really goes on, doesn't it). I'm kinda curious to see if Jinder can make something out of this run & character.

It's also got to be good for general morale. Jinder's a guy with good fundamentals, who by all accounts in a hard worker, responsible employee, and generally good guy, who spend a lot of years toiling away in the lower-midcard without complaint, and then put a lot of effort into learning and improving his look & mic skills when he got released. If you don't get even get a little main event run to show what you've got after that, what's the point? It's good to show the roster that they're not stuck if they work hard and improve.

Next thing you know, we'll have WWE champion Damian Sandow!

    Originally posted by DirtyMikeSeaver


    Rock is Half Samoan. And he's from a huge wrestling family. And he had to be basically the most charismatic superstar ever to get that position. As Chris Rock once said "Black man has to fly to get something the white man has to walk to"




Yes. The Rock is all those things. He's also black. He has identified and been booked as such since he came out with his obviously black dad in his very first appearance.

I'm not saying WWE doesn't have an issue not elevating black wrestlers, because they 100% do & always have. Vince Jr. has consistently booked black wrestlers three levels below where should have been based on talent & how over they were since JYD, and that's not even getting into the ridiculous stereotypes & gimmicks and all the other issues. But you don't just get to decide the Rock isn't black because it doesn't fit your argument. When you say "We'll see a Martian champion before seeing a black champion" that does not come with an assumed asterix of "black champions with Samoan moms from big wrestling families who are really good at their job don't count."









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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.69
    Originally posted by used2bcool
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    3. If you want to expand to a market, does it really make sense to make the face of that expansion campaign a heel?

They're trying that thing where he's a face in India and a heel in America. They even shot a separate promo for the Indian market after he won:
http://www.wwe.com/videos/wwe-champion-jinder-mahal-addresses-wwe-universe-india-wwe-exclusive

Of course, he won the title by taking advantage of outside interference, which is hardly a babyface move. Plus, he isn't Bret Hart.
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