For the non-playoff teams, I'm using the Wild Card tie-breakers. Why? Because I'm calculating how far back they're from the #6 seed. 1. Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the three Wild-Card participants. 2. Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.) 3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference. 4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four. 5. Strength of victory. 6. Strength of schedule.
I have added markers for teams eliminated from playoffs. Uppercase omega, Ω, for teams out of the playoffs, lower case omega, ω, for teams that have been eliminated from their divisional title, but still alive for a wildcard spot.
ω-Eliminated from divisional title contention Ω-Eliminated from playoff contention
AFC 1. y-Pittsburgh Steelers 12-1 (Beat NE) AFC North Champion 2. y-New England Patriots 12-1 (Lost to Pittsburgh) AFC East Leader 3. San Diego Chargers 10-3 (7-2 in AFC) AFC West Leader 4. y-Indianapolis Colts 10-3 (6-3 in AFC) AFC South Champion 5. ω-New York Jets 9-4 (7-4 in AFC) Wildcard 6. ω-Baltimore Ravens 8-5 (5-4 in AFC, Beat NY Jets; not enough common games (3) with denver, goes to SoV 51-53) Wildcard
7. Denver Broncos 8-5 (5-4 in AFC; not enough common games (2) with Baltimore, goes to SoV 42-62) (0 GB)
8. ω-Jacksonville Jaguars 7-6 (5-5 in AFC) (1 GB) 9. ω-Buffalo Bills 7-6 (4-6 in AFC) (1 GB)
10. ω-Cincinnati Bengals 6-7 (4-7 in AFC) (2 GB)
11. Ω-Houston Texans 5-8 (5-5 in AFC, beat KC) (3 GB) 12. Ω-Kansas City Chiefs 5-8 (4-5 in AFC) (beat Oakland, TN) (3 GB)
13. Ω-Tennessee Titans 4-9 (3-7 in AFC, plays Oakland next week) 14. Ω-Oakland Raiders 4-9 (2-7 in AFC)
15. Ω-Cleveland Browns 3-10 (2-7 in AFC)
16. Ω-Miami Dolphins 2-11
Wildcard Weekend #6 Ravens @ #3 Chargers #5 Jets @ #4 Colts Divisional games #3 Chargers or Winner of Jets-Colts @ #2 Patriots Winner of Jets-Colts or #6 Ravens @ #1 Steelers
ω-Eliminated from divisional title contention Ω-Eliminated from playoff contention
NFC 1. y*-Philadelphia Eagles 12-1 NFC East Champion 2. y-Atlanta Falcons 10-3 NFC South Champion 3. Green Bay Packers 8-5 (7-3 in NFC) NFC North Leader 4. Seattle Seahawks 7-6 (6-4 in NFC, Lost to Rams twice; beat Minnesota) NFC West Leader 5. Minnesota Vikings 7-6 (4-5 in NFC, Lost to GB) Wildcard 6. ω-Carolina Panthers 6-7 (Beat TB; 2-1 in div; 5-4 in NFC; beat St. Louis) Wildcard
7. St. Louis Rams 6-7 (6-4 in NFC; lost to Carolina) (0 GB)
8. ω-Tampa Bay Buccaneers 5-8 (Beat NO; Lost to Carolina; 2-2 in Div, 4-5 in NFC) (Beat Chicago head-to-head and on NFC Record; Beat Detroit and NY on NFC record) (1 GB) 9. ω-Detroit Lions 5-8 (Beat Chicago, 4-6 in NFC) Beat NO and NY on NFC record) (1 GB) 10. Chicago Bears 5-8 (Lost to Detroit, 4-6 in NFC) (Beat NO and NYG on NFC Record) (1 GB) 11. ω-New York Giants 5-8 (4-7 in NFC; beat Dallas, beat NO on NFC record) (1 GB) 12. ω-New Orleans Saints 5-8 (3-6 in NFC, Beat Dallas) (1 GB) 13. ω-Dallas Cowboys 5-8 (4-5 in NFC; lost to Giants, NO) (1 GB)
14. ω-Washington Redskins 4-9 (4-5 in NFC) (2 GB) 15. Arizona Cardinals 4-9 (3-6 in NFC) (2 GB)
16. Ω-San Francisco 49ers 2-11 (2-9 in NFC)
Wildcard Weekend #6 Carolina @ #3 Packers #5 Vikings @ #4 Seahawks Divisional games #3 Packers or Winner of Vikings-Seahawks @ #2 Falcons Winner of Vikings-Seahawks or #6 Carolina @ #1 Eagles
(edited by Zeruel on 14.12.04 1410)
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Zeruel, I think you're safe as far as the brackets and Monday Night Football. Tonight's battle of 4-8 teams probably won't have much bearing on the playoff race.
At the beginning of the season, tonight's game looked like a marquee match-up.
Originally posted by thecubsfanI can not believe the Bears lost, and are in the exact same position as last week.
I can!
Originally posted by thecubsfanLooking in reverse: Draft Order is based on record, then strength of schedule
Except that it's the reverse of strength of schedule. In the case of the 49ers and Dolphins, since the 49ers have the easier schedule, they get the higher draft choice (i.e., they're a worse team).
I thought the 49ers had the reverse tie breaker over Miami for #1 pick due to the Dolphins beating the 49ers head to head. Of course, with the Dolphins playing Cleveland they could get to 3 wins, and if the 49ers could pull off an upset, a 3 way tie could occur for the #1 pick.
Keep taunting the Bears, and they're liable to cost you guys the division on the last day of the season. (But boy do they suck, yet magically get that 11-15th slot.)
Originally posted by Sec19Row53
Originally posted by thecubsfanLooking in reverse: Draft Order is based on record, then strength of schedule
Except that it's the reverse of strength of schedule. In the case of the 49ers and Dolphins, since the 49ers have the easier schedule, they get the higher draft choice (i.e., they're a worse team).
See, I thought that way made far more sense, but the tie breaker language on NFL said
Originally posted by NFL.comIf two or more clubs are tied in the selection order, the strength-of-schedule tie breaker is applied
which I took literally. Too literally? Probably.
(There's ways to break the ties, I just didn't notice the additional information past the "Playoff Positioning Is First Tie Breaker" blurb.)
I'm still trying to figure out why New England already has the AFC East clinched. If they lost their final three games (unlikely) and the Jets won their final three, they'd have the same overall record.
I guess New England has the better division record.
Originally posted by BroncolancheI'm still trying to figure out why New England already has the AFC East clinched. If they lost their final three games (unlikely) and the Jets won their final three, they'd have the same overall record.
I guess New England has the better division record.
If the Patriots were to lose their last 3 (Dolphins, Jets and 49ers) and the Jets were to win out, they would be tied in division record. Now, after hell thaws out from the Patriots losing to the Dolphins and 49ers, the Patriots would get the division because of conference record, as one of the losses would be to an NFC team, while all the Jets losses would be in the AFC.
Originally posted by BroncolancheI'm still trying to figure out why New England already has the AFC East clinched. If they lost their final three games (unlikely) and the Jets won their final three, they'd have the same overall record.
I guess New England has the better division record.
Should the Jets win out and the Patriots drop their final 3 games, their division records would be tied. However, the Jets already 4 conference losses. Should New England not win another game this season, they would still finish with only 3 conference losses, thus giving them the division.
Originally posted by thecubsfanKeep taunting the Bears, and they're liable to cost you guys the division on the last day of the season. (But boy do they suck, yet magically get that 11-15th slot.)
The Bears are three games back but still play the Packers. If the Packers lose all three (which include the Vikings and Bears) they would split the HTH with the Bears and have a WORSE div record than the bears, and YOUR Chicago Bears would be the NFC North champs. GB could still make the wildcard with the 5-8 logjam.
Regarding the Chicago seeding:
All the 5-7 teams lost except Carolina, which won and got a break to make them the #6 seed. NO beat Dallas and didn't effect the log jam too much.
EDIT
The NFC is sucking more: They are 19-35 against the AFC
(edited by Zeruel on 13.12.04 1640)
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Originally posted by MayhemShould the Jets win out and the Patriots drop their final 3 games, their division records would be tied. However, the Jets already 4 conference losses. Should New England not win another game this season, they would still finish with only 3 conference losses, thus giving them the division.
Originally posted by thecubsfanKeep taunting the Bears, and they're liable to cost you guys the division on the last day of the season. (But boy do they suck, yet magically get that 11-15th slot.)
The Bears are three games back but still play the Packers. If the Packers lose all three (which include the Vikings and Bears) they would split the HTH with the Bears and have a WORSE div record than the bears, and YOUR Chicago Bears would be the NFC North champs. GB could still make the wildcard with the 5-8 logjam.
Actually, if the Bears beat the Packers, they would sweep the season series. They still win the division, since if the Packers lose all their games and the Vikings lose all but the game against GB, Chicago would be 3-1 against the two teams, Minnesota 2-2, and Green Bay 1-3.
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Originally posted by hansen9jActually, if the Bears beat the Packers, they would sweep the season series. They still win the division, since if the Packers lose all their games and the Vikings lose all but the game against GB, Chicago would be 3-1 against the two teams, Minnesota 2-2, and Green Bay 1-3.
But that wouldn't really matter, as the tiebreaker specifies that one team must sweep BOTH of the other two for head-to-head to apply, then it goes to divisional record.
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Originally posted by hansen9jActually, if the Bears beat the Packers, they would sweep the season series. They still win the division, since if the Packers lose all their games and the Vikings lose all but the game against GB, Chicago would be 3-1 against the two teams, Minnesota 2-2, and Green Bay 1-3.
But that wouldn't really matter, as the tiebreaker specifies that one team must sweep BOTH of the other two for head-to-head to apply, then it goes to divisional record.
Originally posted by NFL Tiebreaker ProcedureTO BREAK A TIE WITHIN A DIVISION
Three or More Clubs (Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated during any step, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of the two-club format). 1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games among the clubs).
The sweep rule is only for wild cards.
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Originally posted by BroncolancheI'm still trying to figure out why New England already has the AFC East clinched. If they lost their final three games (unlikely) and the Jets won their final three, they'd have the same overall record.
I guess New England has the better division record.
Should the Jets win out and the Patriots drop their final 3 games, their division records would be tied. However, the Jets already 4 conference losses. Should New England not win another game this season, they would still finish with only 3 conference losses, thus giving them the division.
Wouldn't the Pats just win on head-to-head?
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Originally posted by BroncolancheI'm still trying to figure out why New England already has the AFC East clinched. If they lost their final three games (unlikely) and the Jets won their final three, they'd have the same overall record.
I guess New England has the better division record.
Should the Jets win out and the Patriots drop their final 3 games, their division records would be tied. However, the Jets already 4 conference losses. Should New England not win another game this season, they would still finish with only 3 conference losses, thus giving them the division.
Wouldn't the Pats just win on head-to-head?
No, because one of those three games is Jets-Patriots, so if the Jets win the season series would be 1-1.
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