-Robbie E d. Jay Lethal to win the X Division title via Cookie-ference and lame-ass neckbreaker. -Mickie James and Tara fight to a Double DQ. Intense brawl to presumably set up a street fight down the line. -Motor City Machine Guns d. Team 3D with the Skull & Bones. -RVD d. Tommy Dreamer with the 5-Star Frog Splash. -Fortune d. EV 2.0. Sabu is pinned, so Sabu is fired. -Abyss d. Pope D'Angelo Dinero. Pope brings down his entire congregation that included his brother to be lumberjacks. I shouldn't have to tell you that they all turned on him in a SHOCKING SWERVE~! -Jeff Jarrett d. Samoa Joe via Gunner & Murphy-ference and Sleeper Hold. -Jeff Hardy d. "The Blueprint" Matt Morgan with the (**chuckle**) Twist of Hate.
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I didn't realize until I looked at the prediction thread that they had MATT FREAKIN' MORGAN headlining? I realize that Anderson had a concussion, but would it have killed them to sub in Samoa Joe? Or Pope Dinero? Were Kurt Angle and Sting not available? ANY of those options had to be preferable to having Matt Morgan main event a PPV.
I still shake my head over the baffling booking of Samoa Joe and Pope Dinero. Remember when both of these guys were total can't-miss prospects? We're watching TNA miss with them right before our eyes.
It's not like the X Title means anything anymore anyway, so I can't get too upset about the belt being put on a caricature like Robbie E.
Looks like MCMG/3D is worth catching. I'm in the minority in thinking that 3D's probably done, for all intents and purposes. Outside of a few occasional special comeback matches, I think we've seen the last of Ray and Devon. Happy trails, guys, and thanks for the memories.
My roommate was watching it and said that Dreamer broke his wrist. On his Twitter, Dreamer claims it's not broken and posted a link to pics of the "bump."
Originally posted by Amos CochranThose last three matches/finishes....oy. Terrible.
I am not going to argue with that. Every time they start these "epic" storylines with Joe as the face, I have high hopes for him and then they find a way to screw it up. Same goes with Pope, Pope or Joe should have won that match to at least set-up themselves up to go after Jeff. Now, they are left with Anderson who may or may not be ready for this match. The only good thing to come out of this PPV booking wise is the end of EV2.0. I do hope 3D stays retired and I am glad they went out facing the best tag team in the world right now. Tara/Mickie sounded good and I am ok with Robbie holding the title as long as they have some good people chasing it.
I full expected this PPV to be heel dominated one. Yet, having three faces lose in a row makes no sense to me. I also don't know if I wouldn't have had 3D/MCMG main event and pimped that up more the last few weeks when Anderson went down instead of the countless Fortune/Immortal promos. The company seems to have a story laid out which is somewhat logical. Immortal and Fortune run out EV2.0, leaving the faces defenseless for awhile til either Kurt comes back to rally the troops or someone emerges as the leader of the rest of TNA to stop them. I like the story, but if its one shocking swerve after another then I am out. As long as they stay away from the KO, tag team and X-Division then I can ignore the rest.
Here's the problem: the only two people TNA will deem fit to stand up to this new ubergroup are Kurt and Sting, two guys who are horribly played out as main eventers. Kurt should be working matches with midcard up-and-comers, and Sting should just be gone. But they've already booked themselves into that corner - Joe is simply done with as a serious player in TNA, and Pope is halfway towards being in the same situation; RVD is mired with EV2.0 stuff; and Anderson is out indefinitely. The only other thing is to eventually turn Fourtune face, but then it's Hollywood/Wolfpac all over again and all the faces that these guys stomp on over the coming months and dead and buried.
I just watched Mickie vs. Tara, which was the only thing I was interested in. Best Divas/Knockouts match in a while. A good match turned into a pretty good fight with weapons and everything. I don't know why Mickie decided to wrestle the whole match wearing what looked like heavy leather chaps but they didn't seem to hinder her. I also liked Tenay and Taz trying to make sense of Russo's stupid storylines.
Taz: "Tara was trying to do her friend [Madison] a favor [by laying down for her, which is why Mickie is upset at Tara.]" Tenay: "She did get her her job back. After beating her to get her fired." Taz: [long pause]"Right."
Madison waffled Mickie with the belt and knocked her out during the continuation of their brawl as Christy was interviewing Pope and his Congregation.
I am kinda ok with Sting taking out Flair due to their history, but it should be a leadership role in tag matches and maybe a final match with Flair. Kurt is still one of the best wrestlers in the world, but I agree he does need to stay away from the title. Joe and Pope need wins, big wins or this entire thing is going to fall apart quick. I am ok with Ev2.0 jobbing, but those two as well Anderson don't need losses like this. I also agree that if they turn Fortune, it will be a disaster.
Show sounded horrible except for the tag match (seems to be a trend).
The only way I care about any of this Immortal shit is if Fortune turns face by having Flair point out that Hogan is in it for himself and his friends while he has been there to nurture the best young talent in TNA.
But no, they have to me heel too, so that we can have 90 year old Sting and Nash save the day.
I thought that the show was better than I expected but the top half of the card was certainly not worth $30 (especially with all the stupid finishes).
The crowd was super hot for the Knockouts match/brawl and the MCMG/Team 3D match (though it took them a while to get into).
Hopefully we can get more of the Tara/Mickie stuff but also add in some other Knockouts we haven't seen in a while *cough* Wilde and Hamada *cough* and get that Division back to where it was during the Kong era.
I thought that the RVD/Dreamer stuff was great (and I typically don't like those plunder type matches). It went a little too long but I was entertained, none the less. I give Dreamer all the credit in the world for continuing the match - the shots they showed of his hand were brutal.
I don't understand the finish though. RVD went through the last two+ weeks paranoid that someone was going to turn on him from EV2 and now, after one match, everything is buddy/buddy again?
The rest was 'meh'. Thanks for coming, Pope and Joe. Don't understand those decisions at all. Abyss is tired and stale and Jarrett hasn't been relevant since the 90's, yet they both have been pretty dominant in their feuds? /sigh
At least they added more people to Immortal though, right? Now we have even more people to take time away from the actual wrestlers of the stable.
The rest was 'meh'. Thanks for coming, Pope and Joe. Don't understand those decisions at all. Abyss is tired and stale and Jarrett hasn't been relevant since the 90's, yet they both have been pretty dominant in their feuds? /sigh
It is Hogan logic. Abyss is the biggest, therefore the best, man on the roster.
The show had a slow painful death after the Excellent MCMG-Team 3D Match. Glad The MCMG won clean. I half way expected either a Team 3D heel turn and win or a Brother Ray turning on Devon during the match. Team 3D are getting a singles run which should work out like it did in '02. Jarrett-Joe wasn't bad but much like Jarrett's match from '02-06 not bad but overbooked as fuck,. Not real sure what was up with Hardy not kicking out and the ref stopping the count. Another evil ref angle? Bischoff loves those.
Speaking of Team 3D, I was wondering while I was watching last night. Are they really the most "decorated" team in wrestling? I figure they're going for amount of titles held.
It's not a knock on them or anything. I'm just curious if they really are or if there is another team in history that has done more then them?
I certainly wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't!
Originally posted by wannaberockstarSpeaking of Team 3D, I was wondering while I was watching last night. Are they really the most "decorated" team in wrestling? I figure they're going for amount of titles held.
It's not a knock on them or anything. I'm just curious if they really are or if there is another team in history that has done more then them?
I certainly wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't!
I would say probably. They held titles with New Japan, ECW, WWE, TNA and WCW although, I question any WCW title after Vince bought the company as being legit. I don't know of any team who did that. They also won them multiple times and had good title reigns with them well minus the WCW one. I would put them as best tag team of all time probably behind any tag team with Arn Anderson in it.
Originally posted by wannaberockstarSpeaking of Team 3D, I was wondering while I was watching last night. Are they really the most "decorated" team in wrestling? I figure they're going for amount of titles held.
It's not a knock on them or anything. I'm just curious if they really are or if there is another team in history that has done more then them?
I certainly wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't!
Longevity during an era of mostly shaky tag divisions can do that.
You have to hand it to them, they knew what their bread and butter was and stuck with it (except when they didn't)
Originally posted by lotjxI would put them as best tag team of all time probably behind any tag team with Arn Anderson in it.
"Most decorated," maybe, but I could list a dozen better teams without thinking too hard about it, even with a "no Arn Anderson" handicap:
Hart Foundation, Rockers, Edge & Christian, Los Guerreros, Hardys, Midnight Express, World's Greatest Tag Team, British Bulldogs, Williams & Gordy, Steiners, Motor City Machine Guns, Beer Money.
Also Tully & Arn, for the record.
Point being, I don't think the Dudleys are all that good.
Originally posted by KJames199Point being, I don't think the Dudleys are all that good.
They may be my favorite team with the fewest distinguishing features. You can put other teams in camo, and they wouldn't be called a Dudleys ripoff. But give any team warpaint and costume props, and they're ripping off the Road Warriors.
They have a killer finisher (aided by he crowd yelling "3D!" as it's set up), but they aren't a complementary pairing that I like to see in a tag team.
They're both built like bullies, and they each have a singles finisher (the Saving Grace and the Bubba Bomb), but they work the crowd like crazy. Nothing like Bubba Ray did in ECW with his torrid rants against audience members, no, but they can still cut a promo, sell an angle, and make for a dynamite last five minutes of a match.
I wish Bubba got his chance with a singles midcard belt in WWF/E. That was a missed opportunity there.
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Originally posted by KJames199Point being, I don't think the Dudleys are all that good.
They may be my favorite team with the fewest distinguishing features. You can put other teams in camo, and they wouldn't be called a Dudleys ripoff. But give any team warpaint and costume props, and they're ripping off the Road Warriors.
They have a killer finisher (aided by he crowd yelling "3D!" as it's set up), but they aren't a complementary pairing that I like to see in a tag team.
They're both built like bullies, and they each have a singles finisher (the Saving Grace and the Bubba Bomb), but they work the crowd like crazy. Nothing like Bubba Ray did in ECW with his torrid rants against audience members, no, but they can still cut a promo, sell an angle, and make for a dynamite last five minutes of a match.
I wish Bubba got his chance with a singles midcard belt in WWF/E. That was a missed opportunity there.
I'm reasonably sure he was hardcore champ for a little while. Reasonably sure.
Pretty much everyone was hardcore champ for a minute (or less), so that hardly counts.
It would be great if this actually was Ray and Devon's last match, since they put over the Guns about as much as a veteran team could --- praised them for weeks, built them as the next big thing in tag wrestling, had Sabin kick out of their big finisher and then saluted them after the match. Amidst the ongoing joke that is TNA, at least they finally seem to be realizing what they have in Shelley and Sabin.
Originally posted by lotjxI would put them as best tag team of all time probably behind any tag team with Arn Anderson in it.
"Most decorated," maybe, but I could list a dozen better teams without thinking too hard about it, even with a "no Arn Anderson" handicap:
Hart Foundation, Rockers, Edge & Christian, Los Guerreros, Hardys, Midnight Express, World's Greatest Tag Team, British Bulldogs, Williams & Gordy, Steiners, Motor City Machine Guns, Beer Money.
Also Tully & Arn, for the record.
Point being, I don't think the Dudleys are all that good.
I would toss the Freebirds and The Rock And Roll Express in there too. Much as I like The MCMG, Beer Money, and The WGTT, they haven't been tagging long enough to be in the greatest tag teams ever convo.
Originally posted by graves9Much as I like The MCMG, Beer Money, and The WGTT, they haven't been tagging long enough to be in the greatest tag teams ever convo.
That's because it wasn't a list of the greatest tag teams ever (though it was a decent start), it was the first 12 teams I could think of that were better than the Dudleys.
For the record, I would agree that both the Freebirds and Rock & Roll Express are better too.
The Dudleys had a good finisher and a few trademark spots and catchphrases. In there with the Hardys or Edge & Christian, that's enough to get by, but that still leaves them below any of the teams I listed.
Also, I'd suggest that the reason you can point out "Road Warrior clones" is because the Road Warriors were big enough stars to HAVE clones. Road Warriors, BTW, also better than the Dudleys.
In the interest of equal time, here are 12 teams that are worse than the Dudleys:
The Powers Of Pain, Big Bossman & Bull Buchanan, Road Warrior Animal & Heidenreich, Mideon & Viscera, The Godwinns, Men On A Mission, The Colossal Kongs, Todd Champion & Firebreaker Chip, Scott Norton & Ice Train, The Gangstas, Rene Dupree & Kenzo Suzuki, Deuce & Domino.
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