Originally posted by Rocky Moutain NewsIn sworn testimony this month, University of Colorado President Betsy Hoffman refused to offer her thoughts on whether calling a woman the C-word constitutes sexual harassment.
Hoffman did say that she has heard the word - considered one of the most derogatory terms for a woman - used as a "term of endearment."
What? This is yet another stupid move by the University of Colorado. On the other hand, I now understand why Barnett wasn't fired. Clearly, the entire university has gone crazy.
Sure, use the whole Medieval language defense. I'm sure a football player was reading Chaucer when he called Katie Hnida the C-word. He called her that on a field trip to the Renaissance Faire.
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Not crazy, just oxygen deprevation due to altitude. I wonder if the people under her used that term to describe her to her face if she would give them a hug.
Maybe I'm male-sighted on this one, but I'd see it more as a grave insult more than I'd see it as harrassment. Mind you, I'd never use it with any kind of malice, since it ISN'T the most endearing of terms, but I don't know if it's sexual harassment unless he was using it properly in a complete sentence.
I wonder if in some circles this isn't sort of like how the N-word has become a term of endearment. I know some women who are and sometimes will call themselves amongst their friends by that term. It's not something they would tolerate someone saying with malice (as I'm most likely guessing it was said at CU), but I can't say I think the pres. is totally incorrect. She is however applying a totally incorrect template to analyzing the situation.
I heard about this on the Bob & Tom radio show this morning. Their special guest was Frank Caliendo (of MADtv and Fox NFL Sunday) and they were talking about how that's the one word that will kill a comedian's routine.
Anyhow, trying to pass it off as a term of endearment? Please! I hope the entire student body and faculty will refer to her with it at every opportunity.
The issue at hand it seems is her behavior at said time she was called the bad C. After all, if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, eats like a duck, swims like a duck, flies like a duck, it's a duck. Whether we agree with the man or not, though, shame on anybody who believes that Barnett had no right to speak his mind in precisely the fashion he intended. His timing, however, was WAY off.
Truthfully, this all could've been avoided if he'd called her a 'peice of shit' instead; kind of hard to skew that into sexual harrassment.
I can't recall a single situation in which I've heard, um, “unt-cay” used as a term of endearment. (That is the word we're talking about, right? There isn't another female-related C-word that I'm unaware of, is there?)
Actually, the so-called C-word is one of several words that I don't use... and I curse like a sailor, as you all well know. Most of the words I don't use are racial epithets and such... but I consider the C-word to be (if not exactly in the same category) just as filthy of a word. Sometimes when I'm extremely angry I use the male-related C-word, sometimes followed by “sucker”, though.
In any case. I'm all for freedom of speech. But on the other hand, freedom of speech doesn't give one license to be a jackass.
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Originally posted by ekedolphinI can't recall a single situation in which I've heard, um, “unt-cay” used as a term of endearment. (That is the word we're talking about, right? There isn't another female-related C-word that I'm unaware of, is there?)
Actually, the so-called C-word is one of several words that I don't use... and I curse like a sailor, as you all well know. Most of the words I don't use are racial epithets and such... but I consider the C-word to be (if not exactly in the same category) just as filthy of a word. Sometimes when I'm extremely angry I use the male-related C-word, sometimes followed by “sucker”, though.
In any case. I'm all for freedom of speech. But on the other hand, freedom of speech doesn't give one license to be a jackass.
It gives you the right to be a jackass as long as you are willing to accept the consequences.
Originally posted by StaggerLeeSO, by that logic if he calls a black player the dreaded N word, its okay, if he was, you know, acting all black and stuff?
That would be good logic if you could define acting black. People drop N's because of somebody looks, they drop C's because of their behavior.
Free speech is a double edged sword. It's okay for him to think and feel the way he likes. It is not, however, ACCEPTABLE for him to call a black person an N, nor anybody a C, within earshot of a microphone. It sort of impedes on the whole 'persuit of happiness' thing in the preamble. I am in no way defending his stance, merely stating that he has a right to a stance.
It should be noted his stances aren't anywhere near as drastic as the KKK and the Neo-Nazis.
Originally posted by LexusThat would be good logic if you could define acting black. People drop N's because of somebody looks, they drop C's because of their behavior.
Guess you never saw Chris Rock's "Bring The Pain", eh?
... a blue square on the shoulders?! Although if it's any consolation, the last seven teams to change unis made the playoffs in their first year in the new colors.
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