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Monte
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Since: 27.3.03
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#21 Posted on
It was smart to go after Goldberg. WWE really struggled booking his character to start, once they let him dictate more of the booking for himself he got over quickly, none of his opponents were buried. He did good things in his feud with HHH, after returning from Japan (fresh new beard) his character seemed to really take off and since that return he has been the most over face on RAW and hasn't been so bad in the ring. Goldberg was very good as the RAW Champion, much better the Hunter IMO.

But now if WWE let's Goldberg go like this, and I am not so sure they will, I think they are making a tragic mistake. One scene I think everyone is forgetting about is TNA who is admittedly opening their penny bags to any big names willing to come give them some publicity. WWE really needs to surprise us and hook Goldberg up with an extension or else they are making another classic Vince mistake.



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Since: 1.8.02
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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.47
Is Goldberg making more more money for the company than he's costing the company? My totally unsubstantiated bet is "No." Does he bring enough value added to the company to justify his cost? Again, my bet is "No." What's in it for Vince to keep the guy around?

I'm assuming that he gets not just a whackload of $$$, but an immense whackload of $$$. There's nothing wrong with taking a calculated risk on an unpredictable venture. But if it doesn't work out, the wise businessman cuts bait! (Never make forward business decisions based on past expenditures. Period.)

(BTW, there's also nothing wrong with Goldberg getting the most he can out of Vince. Goldberg made his own calculated business risk when he negotiated for an immense whackload of $$$. The risk that you take there is in "disappointing" the customer -- in this case Vince -- if you don't meet all his expectations. But that's business.)

We also don't really know about the "behind the scenes" downsides that may come along with the guy. I'm guessing that Vince probably wasn't thrilled with the concept of this guy taking some time off from WWE to wander off to Japan. (I'm sure it was something that Bill's contract guaranteed him the right to do, but that doesn't mean that Vince will like it.) There was no way in hell that Vince would let GB run off to Japan as the WWE World Champion. ("We just put the belt on you, & this is how you repay me?") So Vince had to pull the belt off of GB before he went there. Depending on how much notice Vince had of that little excursion, that could well have been a huge pain in the ass for Vince.

Is Goldberg somewhat over? Sure. Is he Kurt Angle? Not even close. Is he Hulk Hogan? Not even close. Is he somebody that Vince can count on as a "go-to guy"? Not freakin' likely!

The only question in my mind is whether Vince will just have Goldberg vanish into the sunset, or whether he'll do something more dramatic.
Monte
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#23 Posted on
Eh heh?

Ms. Emma, Bill Goldberg makes $1,500,000 garunteed in his contract with WWE. Do you mean to tell me Bill Goldberg and the feuds and merchandise related to Bill Goldberg don't bring in $1.5 million dollars!? I think you would be very very surprised at the market value of Goldy, he has pulled in a ton of cash for the WWE in his stay. It would be fair to estimate he brings in nearly 5 million dollars in each pay per view he has headlined in TV buys alone.

And Goldberg doesn't recieve pops the size of Kurt Angle? I beg to differ ma'am. Goldberg gets face pops the size of just about every credible prime time face on this roster.



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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.66
I am NOT a Goldberg fan in any sense of the term.

But having said that, there are still plenty of potential dream matches that could make the casual fan salivate. Goldberg/Undertaker, Goldberg/HBK, or (if it were to EVER come to pass) Goldberg/Austin all have the potential to be money-makers. WWE shouldn't pass up on Goldberg just yet, because think about this...

What's to say TNA won't throw buckets of money his way after WM XX for THEIR big Sunday PPV? If they absolutely HAVE to replace Hogan (which they do), I think Goldberg would make a suitable replacement.

Verdict: WWE should keep Goldberg, by any means necessary.




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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.00
Hmmm...

I think Goldberg should stay... but if there is nothing for him to do but try to get revenge on Brock, I find it pointless... he's had his title shots already and someone else should have a go at HHH (or whoever is going to be the World Heavyweight Champ)

They need to get Goldberg more 'involved' with something else other than a shot at a title, like a Brock and Goldberg feud that seems like is going to happen, or anything else you great members of the Wiener Board can think of. It just gets OLD when all you do is try to go for a title.

Fans (least most of em) seem to like him. Experiment and see what happens is the advice i would give.





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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.05
Goldberg's a mark's wrestler, that's for sure, but I think the bulk of the audience is made up of marks. As long as they like him, he'll probably be around, though I wonder how much of his heat, his pops, and all the "Gold-Berg" chants, are canned.

If you want to talk about clumsy wrestlers who hurt people, look no further than Freakzilla. That guy's one dangerous shooter.



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Since: 24.12.03
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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.35
I think it probably would be in Goldberg's best interest to stay with the company. If not from a career standpoint than from a financial one, as well as exposure.
The WWE should probably give it a go to resign Goldberg. He is a top-level competitor (in name only) and is over with the fans. Some nights, receiving the largest pops. And, as far as his merchandise is concerned, it's got to be selling.
Put personal differences aside and do what's right.

Goldberg could do well jumping to Smackdown and building long lasting fueds with Lesnar,Show and maybe even the great Kurt Angle. I suppose he could squash Matt Morgan and A-Train as well. And, a Goldberg/Guerrerro fued could be interesting.
And, if Undertaker stays with Smackdown, they could also program.
Goldberg maybe could shine on SD without HHH holding him down (along with everybody else..cept Orton).
I would also ship Rob Van-Dam and Booker-T to SD and send John Cena to Raw.



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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.47
    Originally posted by Monte
    Eh heh?

    Ms. Emma, Bill Goldberg makes $1,500,000 garunteed in his contract with WWE. Do you mean to tell me Bill Goldberg and the feuds and merchandise related to Bill Goldberg don't bring in $1.5 million dollars!? I think you would be very very surprised at the market value of Goldy, he has pulled in a ton of cash for the WWE in his stay. It would be fair to estimate he brings in nearly 5 million dollars in each pay per view he has headlined in TV buys alone.

    And Goldberg doesn't recieve pops the size of Kurt Angle? I beg to differ ma'am. Goldberg gets face pops the size of just about every credible prime time face on this roster.
Ah, Mr. Monte, Mr. Monte... :-)

Are you saying that Bill's downside guarantee is $1.5Mil? Meaning he's (likely) getting significantly more than that once his PPV cuts, merch cuts, etc. are factored in? Do you happen to have a reference to the $1.5Mil amount that might clarify this point?

Now, $5Mil in TV buys per PPV? That seems a bit excessive. I'm looking at the WWE's financial report for (their fiscal) 2Q-2004 (from Click Here (shareholder.com)). Pages 8, 10, & 12 indicate to me that the impact on revenue per individual PPV is typically in the order of $4-6Mil total. If that's the case, I have trouble accepting that Bill Goldberg is personally responsible for $5Mil per event. :-)

As for pops & "overness", that's a "land war in Asia" kind of debate. In the arenas I've been in, to my ears :-), Bill isn't even close to Shawn Michaels. Jericho as a tweener, Flair & HHH as heels, & Kurt, Eddie & Rey as faces on the other show, all get bigger pops (at the shows I've been at) than Bill does.

I certainly acknowledge that Bill has a non-trivial following, that he has sold merch, & he's undoubtedly responsible for some PPV & live event buys. But I remain skeptical that he's worth his keep.
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