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Eddie Famous

Since: 11.12.01
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Thanks to thecubsfan, from whose wrap on I am liberally stealing. His comments are in quotes.

"Vignette: Dr. Wagner looks at tonight's Arena Coliseo program, notices he's scheduled to fight Nishimura, and isn't pleased. He talks to trash to the name on the paper, and then trashes the paper"

Was Ole Anderson doing the dubbing on this tape?

"Nishimura (w/Masada) vs Dr. Wagner (w/Shocker)"

"Notes: Notice who's seconding Wagner and how weird that is."

Shocker looks to be one of those very very fit 45 year old guys. Masada reminds me of a young Sammo Hung in one of those Jackie Chan flicks.

"Circle,....(edit) Armbar, running behind him to turn into a hammerlock, and now he gets confusing - we'll call it a forward hammerlock roll into a legscissors and be done with it. Masada in - Masada breaking it up. Not a DQ, somehow. Wagner isn't happy, and Shocker isn't happy either."

Reminds me of about 200 Wrestling II matches in GCW.

"Nishi gets the drop on Wagner in the process - forearm to the back and now he's thrown through the ropes. Forearm, head to the seat. Watch the front row fan move out of the seat just in time. Forearm. Nishi prefers the foreams to the chin. Nishi back in, but Wagner taking a breather on the outside, and maybe thinking about getting some of Masada. Now pulling himself in - but Nishi dropkicks him off the apron. Wagner doesn't really fall hard to the floor, but he is slowed."

That sucked mightily. A fine dropkick all but no-sold.

"IN under the missile rope - Nishi kick to the back of the left knee, again, and now tripping him and grapevining the hurt leg. Cranking it in - and now Shocker is arguing with the ref, but nothing really comes of it. Nishi continues to try to get added leverage, but he's kinda moving Wagner closer to the ropes in the process. Masada tries yanking the ropes away to prevent Wagner from getting it, but they don't really move and it's just kinda funny looking."


"Ref forces a break while Shocker and Masada have more worlds. More kicks to the back of that left knee. Putting him in the corner - well, that look like a low blow kick but the ref is letting him get away with everything. Nishi yells at the fans - knee to the knee. Ditto. Triple. Grabbing the leg, tripping Wagner up, cranking the left leg enough to flip Wagner over, there's a Indian Deathlock."

And a beaut, too. Wrestling lives!

"Just holding it in there - now here's the STF just as I say that. Wagner in a lot of pain and in the middle of the ring - Shocker yells at the ref, but Nishi breaks the facelock. Ah, he's just changing holds - Bow and Arrow! Wagner assures the ref that he doesn't want to give up yet - Nishi gets the self pinfall count for one two lets go. Nishi decides to switch it up - off the top rope with what I guess was supposed to be a knee drop to the knee, but no one's there. Wagner had managed to just roll out of the way. Or had he? I guess the camera betrayed what we were supposed to know, because everyone sells it like it connected. Eh. Figure four!"

Chain wrestling lives!

"Now Wagner's in the most pain he's been so far, and he's a bit away from the ropes. He is moving it, and the crowd is willing him to it. Against Masada is playing with the rope s- Shocker is over to stop him and Wagner grabs it - Nishi is forced to break. Nishi looks very confident - Sleeper! This one looks effective, but Wagner is again trying to pull from the crowd - back suplex! But Nishi is back on him - Sleeper, than an abdominal stretch. Wagner looks weak here - the fact that he can't stand on one leg is adding to the pressure. Nishi going up again - missile dropkick definitely connects this time, and Nishi is saying it's over. Nishi TOMBSTONE? No, Shocker ain't gonna let that happen, clotheslining Nishi from behind to break it up. Ref warns him - I'm amazed at what's been let go here today, but I guess it's now even. Wagner takes advantage of the momentarily distraction - Dropkick to the knee! Wagner Driver one two three! (10:41) He got beat up for 10:30, hit two moves, and won. How about that."

WTF! Absolutely lame finish. At this point I'm thinking the Doc doesn't need a straw to suck. Nishimura would have been pretty good on the old GCW tapings, so I like him.

Post match beatdown, comments and vignette are confusing to me, so we move along...

"2 Takemura (c), Masada, Blue Panther vs Shocker (c), Satanico, Mascara Magica

Notes: Did Shocker kick Shockercito in the butt to get him going after intros? I think he did."

Yes he did.

"The rudos wait till the official is safely away till they punk the tecnicos out - how polite. The table ominously sits in the ring, so you know some one is going to use it - triple powerbomb through the table on Magica! The table looks...very thin. Oh well. That's not a DQ, maybe because it was already there and what can you do. The referee calmly moves the metal portion table out of the ring (reattaching the gimmicked counter portion - so that's why it looked so safe) while the rudos use the wood shards (that used to be the top) on the tecnicos. Panther sets up one piece in the corner - Magica's thrown head first into it. Takemura with a weak looking table shot to the head. Masada and Panther hold it up in another corner, but get distracted by Shocker for a second. Takemura picks it up and does a much better shot. And now breaking it over his back. They cut to the other fights just as Magica looks right to blade. Yep, Takemura is rubbing the forearm into his head to spread the blood - Magica's already got half his forehead covered."

Lame. Not AAA lame, but lame.

"Doubled dropkick to the head by Panther and Masada. Panther and Masada do the camel clutch/dropkick to the head. Shocker and Satanico try to make the have but are quickly handed. Did Panther just lick Magica's blood? EW. Magica' got a bunch of blood on him now - probably would show up better if he didn't have red tights and red hair. Takemura's cranking in the chinlock on him like it's really an effective move. Mascara's whole face has some blood on it. Panther is cranking in an abdominal stretch on Shocker - biting the ropes for extra leverage. Magica has long ago stopped putting up any defense - and suddenly the tecnico ref awards the fall to him. Eh."

WTF 2!! Horrific camerawork just killed this 'fall'.

"By the time the second fall started, Satanico and Shocker have finnaly been able to pull Magica to safety, but the beatdown starts right back up on the non-bleeding too. Satanico makes a mini comeback but it doesn't last. Magica grabs a piece of table and pulls himself to the ring - shot on Takemura shatters the pieces and levels Takemura to the math. Comeback is started and the rudos are getting beat all over the ring. Nothing particularly interesting about the beatdown - Shocker threatens to kill the Rudo referee but is persuaded not too."

I finally figured that out...the two refs thing about here. I must say I don't like it much, but what can you do.

"Satanico goes after Panther's mask. Shocker goes after the extra guy on the outside. Panther's mask gets almost totally pulled off, but we don't get a good look at it. Shocker lays out both Masada and the extra guy. Panther gets his mask back on, but Satanico tries to pull it off again. Mascara and Shocker beat up Takemura and Masada. Panther is alone and gets beatdown. When Takemura and Masada don't come in, Magica goes out and gets Takemura. Nice team work to take him out. Masada brought in, as Takemura is kicked out. Triple Press Slam (edit)I'm tired of typing. Let me wait for the finish and skip to that. (Didn't really miss much here.) There's the Fireman's Carry forward drop. Shocker going up - top rope elbow drop! In a totally contrived spot, the tecnico ref is suddenly distracted, so only the rudo ref can make the count. He makes a very slow one, to give Masada time to come back in and break it up, but Magica races in to dropkick him out of the ring before he can do it, and the rudo ref has no choice but to count the three. Goofy finishes bugged me here, as well as suddenly a different set of DQ rules in play here - but this was more exciting than the first match. Eh."

Eh is right. So far two matches and nothing that would make me want to tape every week or anything, let alone start my own mask collection.

"Spectacular Moments - Pierrothio d. Ultimo Dragoncito. Is that Sangre Azteca? I think so. Haha, Satanico slips on the Coliseo ramp! Slow motion replays to make fun of him. Safari with a wonderful tope - I think this is the same match. Nice finish. This looked like a fun match - or at least a fun finish. Here's the double low blow of last week - it hurt, but was it worth the loss? I guess so. Volador Jr. Asai Moonsault (on Zumbido) of the week."

Is Satanico a rudo? Vignette follows which I don't understand.

"Tarzan Boy (c), Ultimo Guerrero, Rey Buccanero vs El Santo (c), Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas"

I got a feeling things were going to get better.

"We start with Ultimo and Niebla. Niebla will do a front flip just because he can. Circling. Appealing to the crowd. Lockup, UG front facelock, Niebla armbar, UG armdrag. Into a sitting crucifix rollup - one two no. Face off. Lockup - Test Of Strength double wristlock - Ultimo falls backwards so he can monkey flip Niebla, while still holding in the double wristlock. Pinning him to the mat, no one ever counted but it doesn't last long enough to matter, Niebla rolls to his feet and finnaly the lock is broken. While still on the mat, Ultimo tries for a headscissors but Niebla pushes him off. Ultimo backward rolls to his feet, double wristlock reapplied, UG breaks one by kicking it, drop toe hold with the other wristlock still on. Holding the arm, armbar, back up, it's reversed, armdrag, now rolling and yanking it, both back it up, Niebla goes up - Mexican Armdrag! Ultimo is all the way out, and that's the end of that sequence."

Like it.

"Casas and Tarzan Boy in. Crowd gets on Tarzan Boy, and he and Casas discuss. Lockup, waistlock by Tarzan Boy, takedown, headlock, Casas with an armbar out, Tarzan Boy with a forward roll to reverse and an armdrag to take him down. Tarzan Boy poses - he's happy. Casas is up and reassessing. Lockup, no, Casas with kinda a choke and then an armdrag. Tarzan Boy doesn't like that one so much, and now they're exchange strikes. Casas does a really weak looking chop, and then Tarzan does an awesome looking punch to the head - from the angle, we couldn't tell if it actually hit or not, but it sure felt like it did. Corner whip, Tarzan charges in and hits the jumping forearm. Posing, and then he goes back to Casas, but Casas is ready for him - kick staggers, clothesline finishes him off. Tarzan back up - right blocked, Casas with a reverse facelock and, after a moment (Tarzan Boy tries to go down too soon - or maybe that was an attempt at a counter), a reverse DDT! Casas stands over Tarzan Boy but does not put on the La Majistral - Tarzan Boy is allowed to escape out of the ring."

Like it.

"Rey and Santo complete this trifecta. Crowd is behind the guy with the silver mask, that's a surprise. Crowd is maybe a little too behind him, because Santo's too busy watching them and not Rey dropkicking him. Ultimo in to help - double corner whip, corner clothesline, corner clothesline. Again, and something happens here, because Ultimo slowed down as if he was expecting the boot to the face (as the next spot), but Santo didn't do anything, and Ultimo gave him the weakest looking corner smash ever. It looked more like a quick hug."

Hehehe. C'mere you big lug...

"Ultimo starts to whip Santo out, but he blocks it (again, oddness) and then we get the boot to Ultimo. Charge to Rey, and a bodyscissors leads to the allows nice armdrag/headscissors two man take out. Santo off the ropes, under the double clotheslines, Ultimo flips him high and of course Santo's hitting the 'rana on Rey. Santo pushes off the ropes again, Ultimo goes for the tilt-a-whirl back breaker but it turns into a wacky tilt-a-whirl armdrag and both Rey and Ultimo are out of the ring. Santo Bullet Tope On Rey! He really nailed him, too - head to head damage. Quick replay of that wacky armdrag, and then...

Ultimo and Tarzan Boy have a double whip for Niebla. Ultimo charges in and eats boot. Niebla charges out and Ultimo monkey flips him - right into a clothesline on Tarzan Boy. Neblina on Tarzan Boy is quickly applied, and it sounds like the Casas Special is happening just off camera on Ultimo - yep, it is. Santo crawls back in to celebrate. Replays, and a break."

Oh that was nice. Worth watching the other two matches...and there's more to come from this one!

"GdI do the circle dance outside the ring to get themselves back together. Neibla does the Niebla Dance for Ultimo - Ultimo hits a running back elbow to stop that. Chop in the corner. Chop. Corner whip, charge into a double boot. Niebla charges out into the monkey flip (again) but lands on his feet. Niebla waves Ultimo bay as he charges - armdrag. Niebla off the ropes and charging at Ultimo, who's near the other set of ropes. Ultimo tries to backdrop Niebla to the floor, but Niebla changes his momentum and his backside bounces off the top rope - on the rebound, he armdrags Ultimo the mat. Looked awesome, and Ultimo slides out."


"Tarzan Boy is in quick to take his partner's place - open hand slap. Corner whip, reversed, Niebla flipped to the apron on his charge, but he climbs up and hits the Antifaz top rope release Victory Roll. Tarzan Boy out, but Niebla chases after him. He does that flip over the ropes and to the apron that Safari does but it never looks right - doesn't look good here either, and leaves Niebla open to a running boot from Rey. Rey charges at Niebla on the apron, but gets monkey flipped - over the corner post and all the way to the floor. Very dangerous.

Niebla back in and celebrating - Tarzan Boy tries to jump him with a springboard dropkick to the back, but he trips on the way up and falls in the ring. Niebla (and most everyone else) laughs at Tarzan Boy's misfortune. He elects to rollout and check to make sure everything is in working order. Replay reveals that he might have twisted (or worse) an ankle, so now I feel sorta bad about laughing. Some stalling in the ring while everything gets sorted out. Tarzan Boy seems okay - he'd be happy to resume but it looks as though we've moved on."

Oof. That had to smart. They moved along pretty good after that though, so big points there.

"Ultimo and Casas are in - test of strength? No, Ultimo's gonna sneak in a headbutt. Three open hand slaps and a hiptoss. Hard slaps to the face! Ultimo goes to pick up Casas, but Casas pushes him in the corner and hits hard chops of his own. Now Casas with punches and kicks - and a double standing armbar. (edit)
Santo in - triple whip, triple boot. Rey picks him up for the Gory special - double running bulldog to take him off it!, face first cross arm suplex? Don't even know where to start with that one. Triple Pose on Santo's carcass and they're given the win. Announcers sell it like Santo might really be dead - that was a killer looking move. Replay."

That was very nice. Not really knowing the rules, I guess that was legal. Good to see some teamwork.

"Third fall, but the tecnicos are all out of the ring recovering. Who will come in first? Tarzan Boy taunts the crowd as Rey goes out to beat up Santo a little but. Looks like Niebla is the sacrificial lamb. (edit)
We've settled back down into a normal match - Rey and Niebla. Rey with an open hand slap, open hand slap. Niebla dance. Rey does the Niebla dance! Rey off the ropes, under, into a monkey flip that takes him to the floor. Ultimo tries to jump Niebla but He moves out of the way of the senton. Niebla off the far ropes, handspring back elbow but Ultimo pushes him up and over, so Niebla's heading out of the ring. What's supposed to happen here is that Niebla gracefully turns this into an Asai moonsault, and let me tell you, he did his part. The other part of the equation was "Rey catches him" and that's where it kinda fell apart. One of Niebla's arms clubs Rey in the face on the way down, which causes Rey to get knocked back and out of place. Niebla does bump into Rey, and that causes him to keep turning and land chest first - otherwise, he would have been right on his head. Niebla gathers his breath, checks to see if Rey's okay and probably thinks how lucky he is on the floor."

This could've been a lot uglier, but is a testament to these guys knowing where thay are at all times.

"Back in the ring, Casas is trying the dropkick to the knee on Ultimo but Ultimo sidesteps. Tarzan is in and holding Casas, but Casas of course gets free when Ultimo tries to dropkick him, and Tarzan Boy eats it. Casas grabs Ultimo in the double chicken wing and lays down on the mat, as Santo goes to the top - and there's the flying senton into a running tope on Tarzan Boy!"

Ooooo. Nice.

"Back in the ring, Ultimo is off the ropes, and Casas catches him in a spinebuster. In a brilliant move, Ultimo tosses his loose mask while still in mid air, to give the impression that Casas knocked off with the impact of the move. Ultimo covers his face, the refs come in, put two and two together, and DQ Casas for pulling the mask. Casas is behind himself, as a replay shows what really happened."


"Tarzan helps retie the mask - on the floor, Niebla is being examined by the doctors on the floor - he may have a broken rib, I'd suspect. He's quickly stretched and taken out of the building, with the speed that's not usually seen on fake injuries. Replay - Niebla is still pretty lucky. Santo's senton into a tope isn't as crisp as normal, but he was trying not to kill Niebla."

Looked to me that Niebla landed about as well as can be match yelling that I can't understand...

Negro Casas reminded me of old GCW jobber Deke Rivers. He impressed me just as much, too. The rudos here I really liked. Their teamwork saved the show for me.

"Closing Notes:

2. This sure felt like a hype show.
3. It helps that I knew it was a hype show."

Well I didn't. I hope other shows have more consistency.

"5. Still, I won't complain about a show like this. Best all around of the year, probably."

Ouch. Really? Overall, I came away impressed with the last match...not totally turned off by the show, but hoping for better next time.

***Outrighted to Jersey City (IL) April 15, 2002***

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Oh wow I should really check this folder more often.

>Shocker looks to be one of those very very fit 45 year old
>guys. Masada reminds me of a young Sammo Hung in one of
>those Jackie Chan flicks.

I think he's actually like in his 20s. He seems young - the blond hair doesn't help.

>Reminds me of about 200 Wrestling II matches in GCW.

I think they were being especially goofy here.

>And a beaut, too. Wrestling lives!

Welcome to CMLL Title (or Important) matches! They like breaking out the techincal wrestling.

>At this point I'm thinking the Doc doesn't need a straw to
>suck. Nishimura would have been pretty good on the old GCW
>tapings, so I like him.

The Doc doesn't suck typically, but he does have a tendency to be in matches with annoying finishes. This wasn't his best performance.

>I finally figured that out...the two refs thing about
>here. I must say I don't like it much, but what can you do.

You get used to it. And they while they use the gimmick more than I'd like, they don't run it into the ground like a US Evil Ref gimmick - which may not be a good thing for contunity, now that I think about it.

>Is Satanico a rudo? Vignette follows which I don't >understand. special. He goes both ways, but he's usually obvious enough in his facials and actions that you can tell when he's being a rudo (basically all times when he's teaming with Averno and Memphisto and not going up against the GdI.)

>That was very nice. Not really knowing the rules, I guess
>that was legal. Good to see some teamwork.

Like US tags, they're techincally supposed to be one on one at a time, but they've very relaxed about that - anyone not standing on the apron (or the floor but not fighting) could be considered legal, and multi-person attacks with posing may actually be encouraged.

>Negro Casas reminded me of old GCW jobber Deke Rivers. He
>impressed me just as much, too.

Is that a good thing?

Usually, you'll get at least one match featuring the Boricuas or the Guapos/Tailban or the Brazos or Rayo De Jalisco or the Capos (except when they're having a good day) or SILVA or someone else who you know sucks so bad you mentally give up on the match before it starts.

I think I was just pleased that we didn't get any of the others, and while I didn't end up saving any of the matches, I didn't feel like there was a major drop off in quality in any of them.

But I'm forgiving in matches with people I already like, and every match had someone I did, so it could just be me.

I hope to get to this week's stuff later today but we'll see - World Cup and personal stuff giving me a huge backload.
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