Smart to get the wrestlers named early. They're more of a story now than if they come up with major sports names later
And this...
Wilbirt was billed for HCG and the steroid stanozolol that were sent to WWE star Eddie Guerrero in early 2005.
Which means, unless he was just stacking boxes in a closet, Eddie would've still been using in the months before his death - not the "clean for four years before he passed" story that was told.
I've received an even more extended list of WWE wrestlers linked to steroids and HGH. In the interest of full disclosure here is a portion of that list:
John Cena Triple H Batista Undertaker Vince K. McMahon Bobby Lashley Chris Benoit King Booker T Umaga Mr. Ken Kennedy David "Fit" Finlay Carlito Caribbean Colon Rob Van Dam Charlie Haas Shelton Benjamin Chavo Guerrero Junior Chris Mordetsky Sabu Sand Man (Gene) Snitsky Marquis cor Von Elijah Burke Kevin Thorne Matt Striker Hardcore Robert Holly Montel Vontavious Porter aka MVP Boogey Man Eugene Dinsmore Jeff Hardy Matt Hardy Johnny Nitro Joey Mercury Melina Paul London Brian Kendrick Ashley Massaro Lance Cade (also "Garrison") Trevor Murdoch Super Crazy Shawn Daivari Jamie Noble Jimmy Wang Yang JTG Shad Gaspard Deuce Domino Robert McAllister Rory McAllister Mickie James Victoria Candice Michelle Torrie Wilson
In the fuller interest of disclosure I will admit that that list was actually fictional. Because I forgot to include Ric Flair. But the girls do use HGH because it keeps fat off and gives you the toned fitnessy look that can't really be naturally maintained.
Originally posted by thecubsfanWhich means, unless he was just stacking boxes in a closet, Eddie would've still been using in the months before his death - not the "clean for four years before he passed" story that was told.
I don't think anyone was really expected to believe that Eddie wasn't juiced off his ass for virtually his entire WWE run. I mean, his death was the reason for the wellness policy. The clean for four years story applies to alcohol and I've heard nothing to contradict that contention. There's been speculation that he was back on pain pills once it became completely unbearable, but I don't know if I'd consider than cheating as from all accounts he wasn't doing it for the "high", but to function.
In any case, I do think it's going to be hard to prove one way or another which wrestlers were abusing and which wrestlers used steroids with a perscription for monitored, accepted reasons. They can always argue that they were doing it to recover from injuries. Granted, that version of events will hold less water the more of a jock sniffer this provider turns out to be, but it will always be an version of events that can be proffered. In any case, WWE is probably in the clear because of their wellness policy, which they can clearly point to, cite fines and suspensions, and say "we're on this".
And if Edge and Gregory Helms are on steroids, they're getting ripped off.
You're getting the list from where, Justin? Or were you just being ironic?
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Originally posted by Hogan's My DadIn any case, I do think it's going to be hard to prove one way or another which wrestlers were abusing and which wrestlers used steroids with a perscription for monitored, accepted reasons.
And is this really shocking? The only name I was surprised to see was Helms. Edge's ex-wife came out and said that both Edge and Lita were using steroids when the whole Lita thing hit the fan. When Eddie passed (God rest his soul), the doctor said it was from a heart issue caused by years of drug and steroid abuse. There had been rumors in the past that Rey was on roids, and Orton just doesn't surprise me at all. +
I agree with wmatistic... Vince has the writers working on this for post WM.
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The HGH thing isn't all that surprising, Austin freely admits to it in his book. And I personally dont see it as a big deal, now the juice on the other hand, that's a completely different story.
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May I ask what the big deal is here? Steroids, to me, are an issue only when giving someone a leg up on someone else in an athletic competition. This is like finding out a movie star did steroids; I wouldn't care.
The wrestlers are not competitors, they are entertainers. Steroids, if given legally by prescription, should not be a problem at all.
The fact that their body takes so much abuse throughout the year makes it even harder to keep that huge ripped look. Plus the amount they are taking is probably through the roof compared to most athletes.
Originally posted by G. MoneyI'm pretty sure its a joke, as that list is EVERYONE on the rosters (with a quick glance).
It is a joke, but a ~95% true joke.
Originally posted by HokienauticMay I ask what the big deal is here? Steroids, to me, are an issue only when giving someone a leg up on someone else in an athletic competition.
They are also an issue when you die of heart failure before the age of 45.
Originally posted by G. MoneyI'm pretty sure its a joke, as that list is EVERYONE on the rosters (with a quick glance).
It is a joke, but a ~95% true joke.
Originally posted by HokienauticMay I ask what the big deal is here? Steroids, to me, are an issue only when giving someone a leg up on someone else in an athletic competition.
They are also an issue when you die of heart failure before the age of 45.
What about smokers who die of lung cancer before the age of 45?
To me, it's a choice -- a bad choice, yes, but a choice they make. I guess I see steroids more as an ethical thing than legal. They're not in an actual competition like baseball or football, where the use of steroids allows them a leg up competitively. They're actors, performers. It's like a porn star getting a boob job but obviously riskier.
Originally posted by HokienauticMay I ask what the big deal is here?
Two words.
"Wellness program."
I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure all of these accusations are in a time frame before the wellness program. Not saying that I believe one way or the other that things are different now, but I'm not sure that these two things tie together as relates to this case.
And also, the wellness program doesn't cover prescribed drugs IIRC. So if someone has a script saying they can get the stuff, they theoretically are safe under the WP.
So if someone has a script saying they can get the stuff, they theoretically are safe under the WP.
That's true, but what SI is talking about are orders over the internet, with no doctor's visit and no script. As WWE notes on their website this moment (though you have to look to find it), internet purchases are a violation.
They're not in an actual competition like baseball or football, where the use of steroids allows them a leg up competitively
Wrestlers with ripped bodies get more chances than those who do not. It's a personal choice, but if everyone else had decided to use HGH, you're kinda going to be forced to go along or give up.
I must say that for this board, I'm a bit surprised by the .. libertarian? .. attitude of some. First off, I don't know much about the effects/side-effects of HGH, other than it's purported to be something people use when they don't want to risk getting caught using steroids, so I will comment on the anabolic steroid issue. (Note: If there were a magic drug that could enhance performance with no negative side-effects, I would have no qualms with their use in a non-competitive setting such as pro wrestling)
I started watching wrestling back in the 60's, the territory era. In general, pro wrestlers of those days would have been indistinguishable from longshoremen, teamsters, or plumbers of the day. The first great "build" guy I remember was Superstar Billy Graham. The same guy that needed a hip replacement, and later a liver transplant (among other health woes). I think it's fairly safe to say that steroids have been around through the WrestleMania era.
I believe that pro wrestling is most comparable to the NFL in the sense that players take incredible physical abuse, have limited financial security, and they are asked to 'do what it takes' to be able to perform in the short term. The mortality rates also appear to match. And in wrestling, the ultimate boss is a bodybuilder, who likes his stars "larger than life".
Imagine for a moment you are Shane Helms in today's WWE. If you watch Chris Masters blow up and get pushed, get punished and shrink, then get re-pushed commensurate with his re-inflating physique, wouldn't you at least be tempted? Or if that doesn't ring true, consider what might have happened if Chris Jericho found a way to build himself up like Chris Benoit did - would it have made a difference in his continuing push, or lack of same? Which is not to say that any of those people have used steroids, but when you have Cena and Batista and Lashley as your champions, it certainly appears to send a message to people who would like one of those spots.
And if there is pressure on the people already in the company to live up to the Vince McMahon standard, how does that effect people looking for tryout matches? Last year I saw the House Subcommittee testimony on steroid use in MLB, and heard about high school students who are using this stuff (Hey, all the big pros do it .. you want the fame, you have to play the game). Aside from the documented physical effects, there are the psychological effects as well (roid rage).
The reason the WWE has their "wellness program" is the same reason that the NFL and MLB are testing now - public relations. As a publicly-traded corporation, WWE can't allow a repeat of the scandal that landed Vince in Federal Court. I remember everyone here being worried for Kurt Angle in light of the reports of his physical condition shortly after Eddie's death - I don't see where the steroid issue shouldn't be viewed in the same light?
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Gary Davis, a WWE spokesman ... sent us an email quoting the policy: "The WWE policy prohibits the use of performance-enhancing drugs, as well as other prescription drugs which can be abused, if taken for other than a legitimate medical purpose pursuant to a valid prescription from a licensed and treating physician. For purposes of WWE's policy, prescriptions obtained over the Internet and/or from suppliers of prescription drugs from the Internet are not considered to have been given for a legitimate medical purpose."
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And I think the only effect this may have on storylines is a de-push of those implicated (depending on how much publicity comes out of it) Vince is known to deal severely with people who bring negative pub to the company around WM time, is he not?
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