Ohio State must have gotten scared to death that the term Lack of Institutional Control was about to get thrown around. Yet another example of the cover-up being worse than the crime.
There's the news that SI will have a huge story come out tomorrow, maybe Ohio State saw what was in that?
Who knows which rumors if any are true, but there's so much crap being thrown around this had to happen.
what's more interesting is that they plan on having a temporary coach for the whole season and then get a new head coach next year. I think it's pretty clear they'll be going after Urban. Depends what punishments they get on if he'll be interested.
I am shocked as well. I figured he would follow his players with sitting out, but I guess he choose to quit. He'll get a golden parachute then be back on TV in a year either on the field or in the studio. If the NCAA had some balls, they would ban coaches for a period of time instead of slapping around the universities while they slip out of the backdoor.
This looks like a Pete Carroll situation, where the head coach coincidentally bails on the university right before the NCAA lays the hammer down, big time. I'm guessing OSU gets some severe punishment similar to USC and while the university and the players wallow, Tressel pretty much gets off scot free.
Originally posted by CajunManR.I.P. Ohio St. Football program for a couple of years. It is not good when you are being compared to the SMU football program now.
Ohio State will never get SMU'd. The NCAA could have scholarship reductions and banning from being bowl eligible, but they won't keep them from being broadcast on television and they'll never issue the death penalty again after destroying SMU for a quarter of a century. ESPN/ABC and the Big Ten network would scream bloody murder if Ohio State (and their opponent Michigan fans) was not able to be broadcast. Funny how Tressel had his players agree that they would stick around to serve the 5 game suspension and then bailed out on his 5 game suspension. If they really wanted to punish Ohio State, they should take away the use of the word THE. Now, that would be punishment.
Looks like Pryor may be done playing too. Cars and other benefits. They may not get SMU'd, but considering how bad USC got hit for having an assistant coach possibly know about one student violating the rules, with what USC fans will still say is no proof, having a head coach know about a ton of violations and lie with evidence and an admission means they may get hit harder than the Trojans.
I could see them doing one year of a total tv ban in that case(isn't that what Auburn got in the 90's)? Maybe 20 scholarships a year for four years? I don't think it's crazy talk right now.
'93 with Auburn is a million years ago television/technology wise. Would the games not be allowed to be streamed on the internet? Plus, many more outlets that need programming compared to '93. There is humor that the player Tressel switched his offensive philosophy just to screw with Michigan with in Pryor is the catalyst for his downfall.
Originally posted by redsoxnation'93 with Auburn is a million years ago television/technology wise. Would the games not be allowed to be streamed on the internet? Plus, many more outlets that need programming compared to '93. There is humor that the player Tressel switched his offensive philosophy just to screw with Michigan with in Pryor is the catalyst for his downfall.
It's funny reading back through the allegations Clarrett made when all that happened. Same things that are being talked about now with Pryor.
If they wanted to send a message, a giant message, Ohio State would get the death penalty. Yet, with the Big Ten Network, it won't happen. I guess Beano Cook's insane prediction of Ubran Meyer coaching Ohio State may come true, just not this year. If Pryor is done then they are pretty much screwed for this year.
Originally posted by lotjxIf they wanted to send a message, a giant message, Ohio State would get the death penalty.
And what would that accomplish. I agree that you have to nail the coaches and the players involved and above all penalties somehow for the boosters and others that help foment this crap. All the "death penalty" does is essentially hurt the innocent much more than the guilty.
Originally posted by lotjxIf they wanted to send a message, a giant message, Ohio State would get the death penalty.
And what would that accomplish.
Giving the NCAA back it's teeth with this following the USC punishments, and scaring the crap out of every major university? I mean seriously we're still having people say the NCAA won't hit hard even with what they did to USC, which is silly to me. Things have clearly changed. Yeah Auburn got off light, so far, but overall the NCAA has gotten much tougher the past few years. Plus this case is as bad as any of them. I think they'll lay it on thick to send a message. And not just here, I think UNC still has some serious punishments headed it's way too.
I'm just not buying that money/Big Ten network/TV deals are going to help Ohio State here.
It sends the message we don't care how big, bad and profitable you are, you broke the rules, you do the time. If this was an isolated then yeah, suspend players yadda yadda, but there are reports saying this thing has been going since 2002. Add in the fact the guy getting the player's uniforms is under a federal wiretapping warrant, it can't lead to good things. The cover-up is worse then the crime and that is the other message you need to send as well. If you came out and suspended the players then you won't have gotten nailed as bad as you did. You can't commit conspiracy against the NCAA as well as ignore the rules when it comes to star athletes then get a slap on the wrist.
Right or wrong, I think the NCAA has been looking for a high profile ass to nail to the wall after the Can Newton debacle, they found it. I think Tressel will be barred from college football for 3 to 5 years and the university to be banned from bowls for the same amount of time. The TV deal will save them from the death penalty, because the Big Ten will throw such a hissy fit over it that the NCAA will have no choice. I am also sure teams that play OSU will join in the hissy fit even if some of them are not in a big conference. I think if Calipari gets out of line again I expect the same with him.
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Originally posted by lotjxIf they wanted to send a message, a giant message, Ohio State would get the death penalty.
And what would that accomplish.
Giving the NCAA back it's teeth with this following the USC punishments, and scaring the crap out of every major university? I mean seriously we're still having people say the NCAA won't hit hard even with what they did to USC, which is silly to me. Things have clearly changed. Yeah Auburn got off light, so far, but overall the NCAA has gotten much tougher the past few years. Plus this case is as bad as any of them. I think they'll lay it on thick to send a message. And not just here, I think UNC still has some serious punishments headed it's way too.
I'm just not buying that money/Big Ten network/TV deals are going to help Ohio State here.
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Originally posted by lotjxIf they wanted to send a message, a giant message, Ohio State would get the death penalty.
And what would that accomplish.
Giving the NCAA back it's teeth with this following the USC punishments, and scaring the crap out of every major university? I mean seriously we're still having people say the NCAA won't hit hard even with what they did to USC, which is silly to me. Things have clearly changed. Yeah Auburn got off light, so far, but overall the NCAA has gotten much tougher the past few years. Plus this case is as bad as any of them. I think they'll lay it on thick to send a message. And not just here, I think UNC still has some serious punishments headed it's way too.
I'm just not buying that money/Big Ten network/TV deals are going to help Ohio State here.
The C in NCAA stands for Ca$h.
They've changed their name from National Communists Against Athletes?
Originally posted by lotjx If the NCAA had some balls, they would ban coaches for a period of time instead of slapping around the universities while they slip out of the backdoor.
Does the NCAA slap "show cause" penalties on football coaches the same as they do basketball coaches? If so, penalties can follow a coach (Kelvin Sampson, expected to happen to Bruce Pearl). But sweater vest can land a job in the NFL and after a short while ESPN, so I do see your point.
Originally posted by lotjx If the NCAA had some balls, they would ban coaches for a period of time instead of slapping around the universities while they slip out of the backdoor.
Does the NCAA slap "show cause" penalties on football coaches the same as they do basketball coaches? If so, penalties can follow a coach (Kelvin Sampson, expected to happen to Bruce Pearl). But sweater vest can land a job in the NFL and after a short while ESPN, so I do see your point.
I wish they would do that too. I do know that the University needs to be punished, but as others said, all it does is hurt the other players who followed the rules, and the incoming underclassmen on the team who weren't even around when everything went down.
I remember talk of the NFL extending NCAA penalties into the NFL. I think is one good way to punish someone out of the reach of the NCAA. I mean, if a junior or senior can just leave for the draft or graduate to escape punishment, it makes it even harder to let these kids know that there are consequences for their actions.
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