Originally posted by GreymarchBesides, I think the only reason the Gore is over so much is from months of Heyman screaming "GORE! GORE!" when he was an announcer. Not somuch Rhyno's execution of it.
Well, isn't that the point? Most finishing moves in wrestling are notably weak (The People's Elbow, The Worm, The Stinkface, The F-U, The RKO...) but get put over by the announcers as moves that are the deathblow for the opponent.
The announcer gets the move over, the move gets the wrestler over and visa versa.
I'm sure this has been said to death already, but I want to say that I really hate when a superplex is not enough to put the guy away, but a rock bottom or r.k.o. out of nowhere is. i know wrestling isn't realistic, but...
Originally posted by sentonBOMBI'm sure this has been said to death already, but I want to say that I really hate when a superplex is not enough to put the guy away, but a rock bottom or r.k.o. out of nowhere is. i know wrestling isn't realistic, but...
A superplex takes almost as much out of the man delivering it as the man receiving it. Not so with a Rock Bottom or RKO.
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Originally posted by sentonBOMBI'm sure this has been said to death already, but I want to say that I really hate when a superplex is not enough to put the guy away, but a rock bottom or r.k.o. out of nowhere is. i know wrestling isn't realistic, but...
A superplex takes almost as much out of the man delivering it as the man receiving it. Not so with a Rock Bottom or RKO.
I'm not sure if I just used a bad example, or if that is actually a reasonable explanation. I guess my point was that a finisher should seem more powerful than other regular moves, and they don't always.
Originally posted by sentonBOMBI'm sure this has been said to death already, but I want to say that I really hate when a superplex is not enough to put the guy away, but a rock bottom or r.k.o. out of nowhere is. i know wrestling isn't realistic, but...
A superplex takes almost as much out of the man delivering it as the man receiving it. Not so with a Rock Bottom or RKO.
See Also: Diving Headbutt, (Five-Star) Frog Splash, Moonsault and most other high-flying finishers.
Originally posted by sentonBOMBI'm sure this has been said to death already, but I want to say that I really hate when a superplex is not enough to put the guy away, but a rock bottom or r.k.o. out of nowhere is. i know wrestling isn't realistic, but...
A superplex takes almost as much out of the man delivering it as the man receiving it. Not so with a Rock Bottom or RKO.
And the RKO seems to be more of a surprise move, like out of nowhere, so the opponent wasn't expecting it and couldn't block in time. Plus, the Rock Bottom was usually used in tandem with the People's Elbow, so it was really 2 mediocre finishing moves to do the work of one regular move.
I think a big part of the problem for Rhyno is that for the longest time his primary job was running into things full-steam with his head. Now, with his broken neck he can't do that anymore and no one really knows what else to do with him.
According to PWInsider Rhyno was released yesterday afternoon.
_______________________________________________________ According to several sources, World Wrestling Entertainment informed Rhyno this afternoon that he was being released, stemming from the post-Wrestlemania 21 incident at the Universal Sheraton in California. As noted earlier this week on PWInsider.com, Rhyno shattered a large flowerpot vase in the foyer of the hotel during an argument. WWE management brought Rhyno back to his hotel room and he flew home from Los Angeles the following day, as opposed to staying for the Raw taping.
The former ECW World and World Television champion was signed by the then-WWF shortly after Extreme Championship Wrestling shut down operations in 2001. He debuted with the company on 3/19/01, aligned with Edge and Christian (who he broke into the business with). When ECW was revived as part of the Invasion storyline, Rhyno was moved to that faction but was quickly gone from storylines, undergoing surgery in November 2001 to fuse a herniated disc under Dr. Lloyd Youngblood.
Returning a year later, Rhyno made his Wrestlemania in-ring debut at Wrestlemania XIX, teaming with Chris Benoit in a Three-Way with Team Angle and Los Guerreros. He was never utilized in a major pushed singles role, but did hold the WWE Hardcore championship on three occasions. His most recent run was as part of a tag team with another former ECW star Tajiri, challenging and losing to then-WWE World Tag Team champions La Resistance.
There's no word if the release will change Rhyno's status for the ECW One Night Stand PPV, which will utilize outside talent on 6/12 in New York City. ___________________________________________________________
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Something I did like about how they used Rhyno was that he was never really turned into a job guy. There have been talented guys they had no ideas for (Hurricane and Val Venis just to name two) who wound up as jobbers to the stars almost by default, which makes it all the more difficult if they do decide one day to try and push the guy. Rhyno wasn't used that way, so his credibility is more or less intact. It should make it easier for him to catch on with some momentum in TNA.
Take this for what you will, but there might be a history of the sort of behavior for Rhyno. Last year, when Wrestlemania was in New York City, a friend of my brother's was working the after-party. He told my brother and I that Rhyno got completely obliterated and had to be literally carried out of the place. Now, there's no way I can verify that, but just keep in mind that there might be more than just the Great Flower Pot Murder of 2005 behind this firing.
EDIT - point being, folks, that this sort of behavior at company functions is completely unacceptable. If you did what Rhyno did at the office Christmas party, you'd be fired before you could say "Vince put the mistletoe WHERE?"
With Rhyno gone, this leaves Tajiri and Booker T as the only guys who came over when ECW or WCW collapsed and are still around as active wrestlers today, without having to spend an extended spell in OVW for seasoning. Rhyno was fortunate in the past few years. If ECW folds 12 months sooner, Rhyno probably doesn't get much of an opportunity in the WWF, as Paul E. had a different favorite at that point, and probably not much of an opportunity with WCW, because, well it was WCW, the reasons are numerous. If ECW folds 12 months later, the possibility exists that he would have fallen out of favor with Paul E., and might not have had much of an opportunity with the WWF. Due to the circumstances of when he was pushed in ECW, Rhyno was able to get a WWF/E paycheck for 4 years. Not that bad for a guy who didn't break midcard during his stay. And, as an extra benefit, by being fired this week rather than last week, he ends up getting Mania money.
Bah, if WWE has to release Rhyno, I wish they'd at least be honest about their reasoning-- they couldn't find anything to do with him. Nevermind that he and Tajiri formed a very exciting tag-team that, dammit, should have defeated La Resistance for the World Tag Team Championship. Nevermind that this is the same company who can find some use out of fuckin' Heidenreich. Release him and be honest about your reasoning-- you're too fuckin' stupid to know what to do with him. Instead of allegedly firing him over a fuckin' shattered flowerpot.
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Truth is, Rhyno IS pretty small for his role as a wrestler. He's at the bottom of the pile of brawlers in the company in terms of size, yet I love the guy to death. Size matters in WWE, despite the oddities of Benoit or Eddie becoming champ. Sad but true, Rhyno was never going to go anywhere in WWE. If Taz can't be used like a monster or even given a push that allows him to have some credibility, then guys like Rhyno probably ain't got much of a chance either.
That all said, if Rhyno goes to TNA at some point, he isn't taking his name. So how much does that suck for him? TNA has a bad record of coming up with new names for ex-WWE guys. They're either really bad names or just their real names.
Originally posted by chillTruth is, Rhyno IS pretty small for his role as a wrestler. He's at the bottom of the pile of brawlers in the company in terms of size, yet I love the guy to death. Size matters in WWE, despite the oddities of Benoit or Eddie becoming champ. Sad but true, Rhyno was never going to go anywhere in WWE. If Taz can't be used like a monster or even given a push that allows him to have some credibility, then guys like Rhyno probably ain't got much of a chance either.
That all said, if Rhyno goes to TNA at some point, he isn't taking his name. So how much does that suck for him? TNA has a bad record of coming up with new names for ex-WWE guys. They're either really bad names or just their real names.
Benoit, Eddie, Jericho & the other "smaller" guys who became big-time stars weren't oddities when you consider that they're all tremendously experienced and held in high regard. Benoit, for example, rarely has a bad match. He makes other guys look good, sells, and isn't notorious for injuring folk (like, say, RVD). If Triple H is making booking decisions (if he's not, whatever), he'd probably rather face guys that'll make him look good and not hurt him as opposed to guys that take and hurt.
The point is that Rhyno works a very odd style, which limits his usefulness inside the ring.
Originally posted by chillThat all said, if Rhyno goes to TNA at some point, he isn't taking his name. So how much does that suck for him? TNA has a bad record of coming up with new names for ex-WWE guys. They're either really bad names or just their real names.
I thought (with no particular evidence) that the WWE used the "Y" spelling so that they could trademark it, whereas they can't do that with a common word. If that's the case, could he use "Rhino"?
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Bah, this is too bad. I like Rhyno and I hope he lands on his feet somewhere. While he wasn't the biggest guy on the roster, he was so thick that he made his gimmick work. He had the build for a "rhino" -- a taller wrestler wouldn't look right.
His match with Raven where he gored the shopping cart was great ... easily the best mid-card hardcore match I've seen that didn't involve Mick Foley.
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Originally posted by CRZWord on the street is that they managed to elevate both men in this match - and when you couple that with their attempts to elevate the WCW Championship in the opening segment, it's been a pretty good night as far as Rock-related happenings have gone. I guess it ain't such a bad biz after all.
Hahahahahaha hindsight taunts me so. Good times, good times.
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I learned some thing tonight, if im about to be fired the best thing to do is slap my boss and hit a field goal with his head. Then get the hell out of there!
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