Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Know the Man, You Gotta Read the Book: The early word on The Nature Boy’s bio is that it’s the literary equivalent of the Flair-Steamboat World title match. Yes, that good. Quotes from the book (credit to Mike Johnson of pwinsider.com): “Bret never regained the fame he’d had in the World Wrestling Federation. Part of it had to do with terrible booking, the other part with Bret’s own deficiencies. What unnerved me the most was the way he used his brother’s death. Through his column in the Calgary Sun, Bret relentlessly bashed Vince McMahon. I sympathize with the emotion – and even the anger – he felt over losing a brother, but I lost respect for him when he made the case into a public spectacle. Why didn’t he take the matter up privately with Vince? It seemed to me that Bret cared more about getting “screwed” in Montreal than he did about Owen’s death, and he used his brother’s death to grind his ax with Vince.” - Flair on Bret Hart --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah, doesn't he slam Mick Foley as well? I think Flair is one of the greatest of all time, but damnit, NO ONE should slam Mick Foley for everything he's done in & out of the ring.
Originally posted by Mayhem Yeah, doesn't he slam Mick Foley as well? I think Flair is one of the greatest of all time, but damnit, NO ONE should slam Mick Foley for everything he's done in & out of the ring.
Its not as if Foley was kind to Flair in his books either.
I don't think Flair is so much diplomatic as a pandering kiss-ass. He was always willing to disparage people who were not in a position to damage him for doing so, or to disparage people who were not popular enough that there could be some public backlash for his comments.
Take Hogan. I find it impossible to believe that Flair could possibly think Hulk is a good wrestler, but I've never heard him say anything derogatory about Hogan as an in-ring performer. Simply that he and Hogan "had different jobs" in wrestling.
There are certain people he knows he cannot get away with bashing and he doesn't bash them. He is a whore, will say whatever promotional B.S. he has to to stay in the favour of those who are in power, like saying that Chris Benoit and Eddy Guerrero are "very good" but Triple H is the "best in the business".
I don't respect Ric Flair as a human being whatsoever, because I despise people who just tow the line. He's Ric Flair, he can get away with a lot more than that---he is someone that people listen to but he neglects that responsibility.
Edit: Toe the line, it is. Thanks, guys.
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As much of a legend as Flair is, his opinions get dumber everytime he speaks.
First off, he always changes his mind over which organization he felt was right for him. From the NWA-WCW to when he jumped to the WWF the first time, Flair stated that it was the happiest time as a wrestler for him.
Then after jumping back to WCW, he claimed that it was where he belonged. And lately he's been saying that the WWF was the proper spot for him all along.
In addition, I don't he's finally lost it in regards to kayfabe. Him snapping after being asked whether he prefers being a heel or face was extremely absurd.
I plan on asking him this question the next time he makes a personal appearence :)
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Originally posted by LionJeetSinghAs much of a legend as Flair is, his opinions get dumber everytime he speaks.
First off, he always changes his mind over which organization he felt was right for him. From the NWA-WCW to when he jumped to the WWF the first time, Flair stated that it was the happiest time as a wrestler for him.
Then after jumping back to WCW, he claimed that it was where he belonged. And lately he's been saying that the WWF was the proper spot for him all along.
In addition, I don't he's finally lost it in regards to kayfabe. Him snapping after being asked whether he prefers being a heel or face was extremely absurd.
I plan on asking him this question the next time he makes a personal appearence :)
Originally posted by Hogan's My DadI don't think Flair is so much diplomatic as a pandering kiss-ass. He was always willing to disparage people who were not in a position to damage him for doing so, or to disparage people who were not popular enough that there could be some public backlash for his comments.
Which is why I don't understand such harsh criticism for Bret Hart. At least with Mick Foley, he might think that his comments could lead to a possible match between them. If not, he can just defend them as retaliation for Foley's comments.
When has Bret ever said anything bad about Ric Flair? I can't really recall anything. I'm sure Bret will respond soon in some form, either in a letter to the Observer or in his Calgary Sun column or on his website.
Take Hogan. I find it impossible to believe that Flair could possibly think Hulk is a good wrestler, but I've never heard him say anything derogatory about Hogan as an in-ring performer. Simply that he and Hogan "had different jobs" in wrestling.
I've heard he does say some bad stuff about Hogan in the book. Flair was one of the main people responsible in bringing Hogan to WCW. Now what happened after that, I don't know how Flair could possibly think much of Hogan so we'll have to wait and see what he says in the book.
There are certain people he knows he cannot get away with bashing and he doesn't bash them. He is a whore, will say whatever promotional B.S. he has to to stay in the favour of those who are in power, like saying that Chris Benoit and Eddy Guerrero are "very good" but Triple H is the "best in the business".
The first part is true but that's not why he says so much good stuff about Triple H. In part, I think he believes it and in part, it's because Triple H always says great things about him. They ride together on the road, they're friends outside of wrestlng, so he puts over his friend.
It certainly doesn't hurt that the single most powerful wrestler in the company looks up to you like a God.
Now when he constantly puts over The Undertaker infront of some other people, that's the pandering part.
I don't respect Ric Flair as a human being whatsoever, because I despise people who just tow the line. He's Ric Flair, he can get away with a lot more than that---he is someone that people listen to but he neglects that responsibility.
I don't think people towed the line as far as Ric Flair, the person, because he never really ever said anything too out there before.
Also, it was easier to ignore things when he was public enemy #1 in WCW and getting treated like shit. And before then, it was all kayfabe anyways. Its only since the death of WCW that he's really started making way out there comments.
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Originally posted by fuelinjectedWhen has Bret ever said anything bad about Ric Flair? I can't really recall anything.
Bret bashed Flair pretty extensively when he left for WCW after his stint in the WWF way back when, all (that I recall) for in-ring stuff and the like. He later took most of it back.
Now when he constantly puts over The Undertaker infront of some other people, that's the pandering part.
Undertaker has the honest respect of his peers, especially veterans, as far as I can tell from everything I've read. I don't think it's pandering, really. And as far as HHH goes, I do agree with you, I think he honestly believes that HHH is the best in the business.
Flair's taken a lot of shit from a lot of people for a lot of years, and he's going to throw it all back to them now. Some if it is going to be funny! because I don't like that wrestler or person. Some of it will be outlandish! because I do. This should be a good book.
Bret Hart's a pretty easy target, isn't he? The guy's got no clout in the business, he's been retired for years, and his famous family is mostly dead.
How brave of Flair to criticize the acts of a grieving man. Sure, Bret probably took cheap shots, but jesus, the man went through a lot.
And Foley? Yeah, he took issue with Flair while also acknowledging him as one of the best ever. I'm sure Flair will get in plenty of barbs on Foley as payback for the former.
Conversely, I'm quite sure that he loves HBK, HHH and Steph. And he'll assure us that Vince is a *genius*.
Gotta love it. One of the best fake wrestlers of all-time, who fought wars in the ring. Awesome performer. No real backbone.
-- Asteroid Boy
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"In addition, my tickets weren’t really what you’d expect from the webmaster of the internet’s largest independent pro-wrestling website." - Widro
"My brother saw the Undertaker walking through an airport." - Rex "Was he no-selling?" - Me
Well, what is Flair supposed to say? "Yes, I'm in the WWF, but I'd really rather be back in the NWA"? "Sure, I'm back in WCW, but I should have stayed in the WWF"? You can't say exactly what's on your mind all the time. But who is to say...that's something that's subjective and can change with circumstance.
I've only heard in general what Flair had to say about Foley; that he thinks he's a glorified stuntman and not really a wrestler. That's an opinion and an argument you can have. Do I agree with that take? No. But you can make that point. It's not like saying 'Foley's useless because he never got over'; that's something that clearly isn't true and really would be said just for taking a shot. And, as has been mentioned, let's not forget that Foley spoke ill in print first.
At least the man has his own opinion; it'll make for an interesting read. Honestly, does anyone else see the folly in a bunch of people on a message board questioning the validity of Ric Flair's opinion on wrestling?
Bret did say, after Flair went back to WCW that he was uninspired and unimaginative as an in-ring performer. Just didn't want to do anything differently. That's the only thing I can think of, but that was in 1993 or something.
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Originally posted by Hogan's My DadBret did say, after Flair went back to WCW that he was uninspired and unimaginative as an in-ring performer. Just didn't want to do anything differently. That's the only thing I can think of, but that was in 1993 or something.
Yeah I remember that now. Bret said that he didn't like Flair's style of working and that's why they didn't have a great match because Flair always has to get his spots in, whether they make sense or not.
To Flair's credit, whether I agree with his opinions or not, he's already created a lot of noise and he's probably going to sell a shitload of books so more power to him. He's the one who's going to have to live with the fallout, not me.
I'm sure Vince won't be too pleased if this pisses off Bret. Vince has been down on his knees with his eyes open and his tongue out for Bret for a few years now. If Flair damages any of the goodwill that Vince has been trying to build, I'm sure Vince won't be pleased with Naitch.
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I've always respected Ric Flair. By ripping Bret Hart, somehow that respect has grown deeper. Why Bret Hart, who was on top of the WWF when it went into the tank in the mid 90's and whose departure from the WWF led to their rise and WCW's fall, gets a free pass has always amazed me. As for his taking shots at Foley in the book: Did anyone actually think all the shots Foley leveled at Flair in his book were going to slide by?
Are we allowed to use the voices in our heads as sources?
The WWF started to decline pre-Bret. Bret's runs on top did resonable business, still better then WCW was doing at the time. Not Hogan levels but they were still profitable.
The WWF didn't really start to go into the shitter until Diesel's reign of terror when they were near bankruptcy.
Who did they run back to? Bret Hart. Bret got a short run and then they tried the almighty Shawn Michaels and business dropped off again. Who did they throw a 20 year contract at to stop him from going to WCW? Bret Hart. Bret came back and business started to turn around with his feud with Steve Austin and the Hart Foundation/USA angle which turned the house show business around long before they overtook WCW in the ratings.
And if you're going blame the fall of WCW on Bret Hart, you watched too much Confidential.
And Flair wasn't taking shots at Bret as a draw or a wrestler, he was taking shots at him as a human being.
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I realized Flair was full of it way back on a WCW live interview. When asked who he thought was the most under-rated guy on the WCW roster, he responded..... STEVE MCMICHAEL
And the question I want to ask is whether he prefers being a heel or a face.
Originally posted by fuelinjectedAnd if you're going blame the fall of WCW on Bret Hart, you watched too much Confidential.
And Flair wasn't taking shots at Bret as a draw or a wrestler, he was taking shots at him as a human being.
Because, God knows, I've always taken Vince McMahon's word on things. All I know about Bret is this: Before he went to WCW, I watched much more WCW than WWF through the 90's, as Bret was the 'Most Repetitive There Was, Most Repetitive There Is, Most Repetitive There Ever Will Be.' And I'm counting the Bunkhouse Buck era WCW in there. Once he arrived in WCW, my viewing pattern did a 180 degree turn. And, it wasn't coincidence.
Are we allowed to use the voices in our heads as sources?
Waltman does make the most sense out of the guys they have a I suppose. Did anything ever happen with the Raven quits storyline (or have they not had any tv since then?). What about Jerry Lynn? Would he be pushed that high up the card for his return?
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