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Since: 10.12.01
From: Aurora, IL

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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00

CMLL Line - 11/24/02 (#61)

Thanks to: Robert Ortega for the original format, Krisz for the results archive, and Joe Gagne for the place to talk about it.

Tapes are WAY too complex for me: I taped RAW over this. Perhaps I should get TiVo. What follows is a brief recounting of what happened and little more.

Match 1: Marshall defeated Cabello in the Nueveo Guapos Tournament (Arena Coliseo, 11/05/02)
Match 2: Black Warrior, Felino, Negro Casas defeat Fuerza Guerrera, Juventued Guerrera and Zumbido (Arena Coliseo, 11/05/02)
Matches 3 - 9 were Bracket B of the #1 Contenders to the CMLL Trios Title Tournament (Arena Mexico, 11/08/02).

Name Members
GdI Ultimo Guerrero, Rey Bucanero, Tarzan Boy
Japanese Legion Takemura, Nosawa, Masada
Boricuas Killer, Nitro, Violencia
Capos Mascara Ano 2000, Universo 2000, Cien Caras
Guapos Shocker, Mascara Magica, Vamp
Brazos Super Porky, Brazo de Oro, Brazo de Platino - I think
Infernales Satanico, Mephisto, Averno
Filler Olimpico, Safari, Volador Jr.

Okay, they weren't technically called filler but "FdT weren't in town" is too long. The bracket broke down like below - they actually aired the bottom half in entirety (two opening rounds and the quarter) before going to the top half.

JapanLegion-- |
Boricuas----- | |
|-Capos------ |
Capos-------- |
Guapos------- |
|-Guapos----- |
Brazos------- | |
Infernales--- |

The only match I saw even a little bit of was the final - and it seemed short.

Shocker, Mascara Magica and Vampiro take on Apolo Dantes, Dr. Wagner and Black Tiger for the title shot next week. Atlantis, Black Warrior and Mr. Niebla await the winner in two weeks, with the CMLL Tag Team Titles on the line.

Just for the sake of completeness, and maybe a little bit to fill out this report a bit, here's the complete bracket to this point.

Taliban------ |
Negro-------- | |
|-Wagner----- |
Wagner------- |
Pierroth----- | |
|-Pierroth--- | |
Markus------- | | |
|-Villanos--- |
Villanos----- | |
|-Villanos--- |
Panther------ |
|----Next Week
GdI---------- |
|-GdI-------- |
JapanLegion-- | |
|-GdI-------- |
Boricuas----- | | |
|-Capos------ | |
Capos-------- | |
Guapos------- |
|-Guapos----- |
Brazos------- | |
Infernales--- |

Next Week Possible:

  • Nuevo Guapos: Tony Rivera vs Loco Max
  • Coliseo Tag Team Tournament
  • Mascara Magica/Shocker/Vampiro vs Atlantis/Mr. Niebla/Ultimo Dragon
  • The final of the #1 Contenders Tournament
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Since: 1.8.02
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#2 Posted on

    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    Tapes are WAY too complex for me: I taped RAW over this. Perhaps I should get TiVo.
TiVo (Or ReplayTV -- they've restructured their pricing & increased disk size variants -- I'm threatening to get myself one for Christmas.) is a really cool option! I have a couple of friends who have them, & it is most excellent to just be able to "rewind" & watch something "again in realtime", while the system just keeps recording. I'm suprised that its not essential for recapping.

Barring that, I figured you probably had a whole bank of VCRs, each with its own automated Tape Management System. No, huh? :-)

Since: 2.1.02
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I heard Tivo is going under.

I don't if that means they will be very cheap or everything will stop.

I wouldn't buy anything right now until these things are cleared up.

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Since: 9.12.01
From: Bay City, OR

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Just do what I did -

Well, actually, you probably shouldn't since I ended up paying more for this in the long run than a TiVo would have been... but...

I just gave up on my home computer ever been modern enough to play games with again, and set it up in the living room with the TV plugged into the GeForce2MX TV out thingy. Then, I picked up an MSI capture card and ran cable to it. This card comes with WinDVR software, which schedules recordings using an online guide ( The listings are accurate and the software works great (except if you record shows that are back to back - i've had to schedule stuff to end 15 seconds before the next show starts - so its kind of a bitch. I usually sacrifice the first 15 seconds of the new show as its usually a credits shot)

Anyway, I'm babbling. I'm using my Athlon XP 1800 to do this. I think you can pick up all of the components necessary to do this pretty cheap now. I would get an Athlon XP 1800 or faster, sound card, GeF2 MX, and this same capture card (it was about $69 I think) (oh, it comes with a remote too - but mine randomly changes the channel so you probably will have better luck than this).

Except for the VidCap card, you can generally score this setup in a bundle for around $299-$350. It's all pretty cheap stuff, really. The good part is that you don't have to pay for a guide, and you end up with a multimedia PC in your living room hooked up to your TV (good enough for MAME or other emulation, or MP3 playback)

It's pretty bad for web browsing, but I've done it a few times. Depends on your TV, really. I don't have SVHS in on my TV so I'm running it through RCA.

Anyway, if you are like me and end up with a spare computer every 18 months this is something to think about.

Your analogy is similar to:

"They already have cars that you can drive, why not blenders?"
"I can already write with my hands, why not my pancreas?"
"They already have beef that I can eat, why not granite?"

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Since: 10.12.01
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I think the two things standing in front of me getting TiVo are the existance of a subscription fee (it took me forever just to shell out for decent webpace space and I'm gonna pay for monthly TV listings?) and that my biggest problem is that SmackDown and Tough Enough overlap by a minute or two sometimes, which TiVo won't help with unless they smack around the people at MTV a little bit.

I have my tapes actualy labeled and so forth, but remembering which one I taped SmackDown only, which one I borrowed from another room [who's timed recording doesn't actually work] to tape Tough Enough, which one has the Saturday stuff, which one has the Sunday stuff and which ones I'm done with come RAW.

You know, come to think of it, if I was any smart [I'm not], I'd just get 7 tapes and mark a day on them for each. Or something along those lines.

On the other hand, if say I was on vacation next month for a week, there's no tape long enough to grab all the shows I'll want to see and probably miss, but any ol' TiVo-like could do that.

I've actually tried doing the "recording via TV Card on to your computer" but my [3Do] video card has never worked totally right, and has completely gone after the last time I moved the computer. When I did get it working, my problem was that (the software didn't work right and wouldn't tape more than a half hour unless I forced it or set up the TV and used a third party program AND) the file sizes were huge unless you gave up on having a decent picture size or decent frame rate. I suppose with a bigger hard drive, that wouldn't be a big deal...

My VCR has been falling apart for the last couple years - I was watching WOW late one night and it fell off from top of the TV it was on in an apparent suicide attempt. It failed, but the front frame has been messed up since, so I ought to get something. I'm just not sure yet. Hopefully they'll be a good sale to convince me.
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