This stinks as a Cub fan, and this has the potential to stink up a couple of my fantasy teams.
(edited by Whitebacon on 24.6.04 1905) (Not Bob Kohm)
In the context of baseball, the use of drugs hurts only the player. In the context of baseball, the use of alcohol hurts only the player. In the context of baseball, womanizing hurts whom? Maybe the wife of the player? In the context of baseball, felonies are crimes against society, not against baseball. In the context of baseball, gambling is the only crime against baseball.
Gambling, in the context of baseball, is a capital offense and Rose has richly earned-- hell, he agreed to-- his death sentence. Let him hang.
Bob Kohm, co-owner of Rotojunkies.com (rotojunkies.com) , and a large market kind of guy.
It's strange how they supposedly moved Richard Hidalgo to give Jason Lane more playing time...that lasted all of about a week.
Gerry Hunsicker was in the TV booth tonight and mentioned "this is probably the last year we'll have this bunch together". So they're going for it all while they can. In that respect, it's a good move.
I'm curious, but what would have happened if Beltran had been a top 3 vote-getter in the AL outfield all-star balloting?
I'm more surprised than anything else that the Astros were even in the ballpark. You kept hearing the usual suspecets(Red Sox, Yankees, Dodgers) would be involved in the bidding, and that maybe the Cubs and Marlins would become involved. I'm just surprised that he wound up in Houston and that the Astros really did pull the trigger on moving Dotel out the door so Lidge could close without Dotel over his shoulder.
God Bless Ronald Reagan, and may he rest in peace...
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For decades, American had waged a Cold War, and few believed it could possibly end in our own lifetimes. The president was one of those few. And it was the vision and the will of Ronald Reagan that gave hope to the oppressed, shamed the oppressors and ended an evil empire . . . Ronald Reagan was more than a historic figure. He was a providential man who came along just when our nation and the world most needed him.
Fellow Americans, here lies a graceful and a gallant man. - Dick Cheney, 6/9/2004
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Originally posted by GrimisI'm more surprised than anything else that the Astros were even in the ballpark. You kept hearing the usual suspecets(Red Sox, Yankees, Dodgers) would be involved in the bidding, and that maybe the Cubs and Marlins would become involved. I'm just surprised that he wound up in Houston and that the Astros really did pull the trigger on moving Dotel out the door so Lidge could close without Dotel over his shoulder.
I think the Yanks and Sox were waiting til the deadline to get him cheaper. KC as much as said they wanted this done before the break. Plus whay trade him in the AL and deal with him every year.
Originally posted by DrDirtPlus whay trade him in the AL and deal with him every year.
That won't matter. With Boras as his agent, he will become a free agent. More than likely he will still sign with one of the teams that has big big money i.e. Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, Orioles, etc.
What would be scary is if he wound up with the Angels...
God Bless Ronald Reagan, and may he rest in peace...
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For decades, American had waged a Cold War, and few believed it could possibly end in our own lifetimes. The president was one of those few. And it was the vision and the will of Ronald Reagan that gave hope to the oppressed, shamed the oppressors and ended an evil empire . . . Ronald Reagan was more than a historic figure. He was a providential man who came along just when our nation and the world most needed him.
Fellow Americans, here lies a graceful and a gallant man. - Dick Cheney, 6/9/2004
Reagan had a rare and prized gift called leadership, that ineffable and sometimes magical quality that sets some men and women apart so that millions will follow them as they conjure up grand visions and invite their countrymen to dream big and exciting dreams.-Brian Mulroney, 6/11/2004
Call me when the Astros do something to make their team relevant again.
Or, when they trade another closer, as is their custom these days. "Let's see...we need to shore up the bullpen, so let's trade our closer!" This reminds me of Bart's quote: "We catch up to the other kids by going slower? Cuckoo! Cuckoo!"
Perhaps that's unfair...it's not like this offense was really setting the world on fire, so I guess Carlos can be some help. Bagwell is still a factor, but Biggio's best days are behind him and Kent isn't THAT much of a threat anymore, at least not like he was in San Fran. Lance Berkman...well, I loves me some Berky. Nice hitter, that man is.
As for Pettitte...see you in September, when you're finally healthy and your team is staring up at the third place Reds.
Beltran...we all know the Red Sox and Yankees will battle it out for him, as George can't get it through his head that buying his way to a championship has won him exactly zero rings the past three years. After 2004, make it four.
PeterS, did you honestly say "tell me when the Astros do something to make their team relevant again"? While some of the things you went over in your post are true, the fact remains that the Astros have a lineup that rivals any team in the MLB right now, after getting Beltran. Throw in a very good pitching staff and you have a great team. They're underperforming right now. I would be shocked if they don't turn it around and make the playoffs.
Originally posted by bigredmachine29the fact remains that the Astros have a lineup that rivals any team in the MLB right now, after getting Beltran. Throw in a very good pitching staff and you have a great team.
If you take out Chicago, Cincinnati and St. Louis, then their lineup rivals any team in the NL. Unfortunately, those teams are all in that pesky NL Central, and it's why the Astros may not be out of the race but I don't expect them to get much closer to the top.
As for their pitching, it's overrated, save Clemens who'll slow down in the second half (though he will get, and damn well deserves, the Cy Young Award.) Decent starters, but nothing that matches Chicago, St. Louis or Florida, and the pen is a joke. The fact that the numbers show them closer to equals (similar ERAs and batting averages to other teams) tells me they're far from underachieving; if they're matching superior lineups statwise, what chance do they have to do better?
Originally posted by Packman V2Talk about the Killer Bs:
Berkman Biggio Bagwell Beltran
add Kent to the mix...and that's just plain sick.
They still can't touch the Cardinals' lineup, the Cubs' lineup, or probably even the Reds' lineup. Keep in mind, even with the other four, pre-Beltran, they were still in fourth. The Reds I'm sure will come back to Earth, but the only way the Astros make the playoffs is in the (highly likely) event that the Cards' bullpen stop pitching as well as it has, combined with the (even more likely) event of the Cubs' history catching up to them and the pressure causing a late-season collapse.
Or, when they trade another closer, as is their custom these days. "Let's see...we need to shore up the bullpen, so let's trade our closer!" This reminds me of Bart's quote: "We catch up to the other kids by going slower? Cuckoo! Cuckoo!"
Brad Lidge who's taking over is ONLY striking out batters at a 14+ per 9IP clip... He's better than Dotel - so I don't think the Astros have ANYTHING to worry about. His ERA and WHIP are phenomenal, and I guarantee you that in a couple months no one will be missing Dotel or Wagner.
You've gotta be kidding me, the Cubs might win the division with thier pitching but there is no way they have a better lineup than the Astros. And Griffey/Dunn/Casey does not equal Bagwell/Biggio/Kent/Berkman/Beltran. I would only take the Cards lineup over the Astros. And even though Pettitte is injured, and Oswalt and Miller aren't pitching as well as they are capable they are still the second best pitching staff behind only the Cubs.
I'll take the Cubs over either of the other two, but it is a tossup between the Reds or Astros. I'll give the nod to the Reds because they score more runs.
EDIT: After adding Cardinals in, I realize that they aren't that far ahead of the Cubs. But in the big stat, runs scored, the Cards blow all three out of the water.
(Note: I indicated anyone who has played fewer than 60 games.)
* I think I have the right people here. I can't keep track of who's in the Reds lineup, with only a few guys playing more than 60 games for them thus far. Based on the stats I got off ESPN.com, I think this is the main eight for Cincy.
Originally posted by cfgbOr, when they trade another closer, as is their custom these days. "Let's see...we need to shore up the bullpen, so let's trade our closer!" This reminds me of Bart's quote: "We catch up to the other kids by going slower? Cuckoo! Cuckoo!"
Brad Lidge who's taking over is ONLY striking out batters at a 14+ per 9IP clip... He's better than Dotel - so I don't think the Astros have ANYTHING to worry about. His ERA and WHIP are phenomenal, and I guarantee you that in a couple months no one will be missing Dotel or Wagner.
(edited by cfgb on 26.6.04 1551)
They'll miss Dotel and Wagner simply because instead of being able to turn it into a 6 inning game, with Lidge/Dotel/Wagner shutting the door the last 3 innings, they have to find a way to bridge the 7th and 8th before they get to Lidge, because the starters are not going to go 7 plus every time out. Also, Beltran might not be completely off the market. Remember Cliff Floyd a few years back going from Florida to Montreal, only to get sent to Boston when Montreal fell out of the race. If the boys of Jimy Williams drop 8-9 games out and it gets to late July (at which point, Jimy will be looking for the other M on the unemployment line), the Astros might go into dump mode and try to get something back for Beltran other than draft picks if all seems lost.
Are we allowed to use the voices in our heads as sources?
Originally posted by redsoxnationBeltran might not be completely off the market. Remember Cliff Floyd a few years back going from Florida to Montreal, only to get sent to Boston when Montreal fell out of the race. If the boys of Jimy Williams drop 8-9 games out and it gets to late July (at which point, Jimy will be looking for the other M on the unemployment line), the Astros might go into dump mode and try to get something back for Beltran other than draft picks if all seems lost.
I was thinking this same thing too, thinking that this guy could get traded again. In doing this, I am praying that George is only feigning interest (or someone told George "Sir, feign some interest!") to drive the price tag up on whoever gets him. The idea of Bernie Williams on the bench (because Giambi bruises like ripe fruit and has the physique of Rick Steiner coupled with the mobility of Christopher Reeve and has to DH on his best day) pisses me off. I am still trying to like Alex Rodriguez, can we wait another year or two before bringing in another Boras motherfucker?
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Yeah, Alomar is really racking up the points for you. Which categories is he helping you out in, again? Re: the trade.... please. The point of making a trade is to 1) Make your team better 2) Make someone else's team worse.
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