Big summer direction stuff I hain't seen posted here:
- All three real (or borderline real in the case of PWIn) news sites are talking about Cena/Edge as the title match for SummerSlam, with Jericho/Cena being blown off on TV. I guess he'd be using the Money in the Bank here, which will I also guess infuriate people who think there is some sanctity to which belt he has to challenge for.
- On WOL, David A. Meltzer warns that they're going strong with the explosive Hassan direction, including that he's next for Batista after JBL. Which points to him going over Undertaker (via RKO?) in the #1 contender's match. :-/
- As BigSteve alluded to in another thread, believe it or not, Triple H is actually intending to go off of TV, in part because he knows he needs freshened up and in part because he doesn't want to compete with Hogan (who is in with a huge push for at least the whole summer) for the spotlight and can theoretically let him wear out his welcome as he's done in every other Hogan comeback.
I had a feeling about HHH, since with Angle & Carlito coming over, the HBK turn, and Jericho's relapse into a heel, it allows him to take a break....thank the lord.
But knowing I have to spend a summer watching Hogan...ugh..I'm not looking forward to that...
The idea of the title sanctity in Edge's contract was broached in an interview on TV prior to the draft, so it was fair game. They better get him away from the black hole that is Kane quickly in order to make him viable in less than 2 months though. It has been almost two years since Taker has had his shoulders to the mat and looked up at the lights for a 3 count, so that is in the seeing is believing category. And, I said it in the RAW thread last week: For the first time since the Reign of Terror began on RAW in the late summer/early fall of '02, there are strong heels outside of Evolution. Since it is likely that Edge, Angle and Michaels would remain heels after SummerSlam, that could demote Trip to #4 heel. That isn't happening in this lifetime, so, since he wants to freshen himself up, he can save Hogan in his triumphant return in order to get the 'rub' to turn face. Is Trip even duller as a face? Yes. But, what other way is there to freshen him up? And, since he tries to model his career after Flair's, the longest heel run Flair had while on top was around 3 1/2 years, so that might factor into the equation.
The idea of the title sanctity in Edge's contract was broached in an interview on TV prior to the draft, so it was fair game.
I totally agree, I'm just saying that the expectation that that would have to stick and they couldn't just change their minds if they felt like it was either misguided or giving them too much credit.
It has been almost two years since Taker has had his shoulders to the mat and looked up at the lights for a 3 count, so that is in the seeing is believing category.
Seeing is believing is exactly right, cuz RKO run-in was the same finish of Taker vs. JBL from last month for his first pinfall loss since Oct 2003. But doing two jobs in two consecutive months would also probably go in the seeing is believing category. You could look at it from two ways: Vince has between now and the Bash to come to his senses on Hassan headlining SummerSlam (on that side, since Hogan/Michaels is the top match), or he could get even more indignant with the push a la JBL last year. (Vince gulp)
I can't believe they're blowing off Cena/Jericho on free TV. The fans were into that segment big time, while Edge has been bogged down with the Kane/Lita storyline, not to mention riding the wave of the Matt Hardy backlash for the majority of his heat. And if the plan was for Cena/Edge the whole time, why didn't Edge go over Kane at Vengeance to blow off that feud? Why should I buy Edge as a threat to Cena if he couldn't beat Kane, even w/ Snitsky and Lita running interference?
Batista/Hassan? Hopefully it's a Batista squaaaash, and Hassan is sent packing, or at least sent back to OVW for repackaging. I guess Hassan's "associates" are going to be sticking around, as there's no way I buy Hassan as a threat to Batista by himself.
Originally posted by redsoxnationThat isn't happening in this lifetime, so, since he wants to freshen himself up, he can save Hogan in his triumphant return in order to get the 'rub' to turn face. Is Trip even duller as a face? Yes. But, what other way is there to freshen him up?
That'd be interesting, to say the least. I don't think people will buy him as a face, and he also runs the risk of being behind Cena in the fans' eyes, which definitely won't be good for his ego. HHH as a face would probably demand being champ, and as a heel, he'd no doubt want a program against Cena, with a more-than-probable run w/ the belt. Either way, I can definitely see Cena getting screwed in the deal.
I think the outrage over Hassan's buddies has probably sealed the deal on a title run for him, just like JBL and the nazi-salute controversy. Our only hope is that someone realizes just how bad he is in the ring. Because he's really really bad. Worse than Cena bad.
Does Vince realize how much money he would make if Summerslam was headlined by Cena/Hogan vs. Michaels/Triple H and Batista vs. the Undertaker? Hogan/Michaels and Batista/Hassan is garbage in comparison.
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Originally posted by Big BadDoes Vince realize how much money he would make if Summerslam was headlined by Cena/Hogan vs. Michaels/Triple H and Batista vs. the Undertaker? Hogan/Michaels and Batista/Hassan is garbage in comparison.
Just sticking Michaels and Triple H back together after three years of trying to kill each other would be one of the worst possible moves they could make with Michaels' heel turn. They need to stay as far away from each other as possible. None of this teaming up in the main event of Raw just because they're both heels.
I honestly don't know which would be worse - Triple H being on TV or having to put up with Hogan all summer.
I've been suspecting for a while that Cena/Jericho is a placeholder until Summerslam, although I would have expected Triple H, not Edge, as Cena's 'Slam opponent. Not terribly surprising, though; with Triple H out of the picture and Michaels tied up with Hogan, Edge is the only heel with enough stature to possibly be able to carry a title match.
As for Hassan, I predict the same treatment from Taker that JBL got last year: DQ win, followed by five or ten minutes of Taker kicking his ass around the arena and leaving him for dead. I can't get too exercised about Hassan headlining Summerslam, because I can't see him actually winning (knock simulated woodgrain).
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Originally posted by redsoxnationThe idea of the title sanctity in Edge's contract was broached in an interview on TV prior to the draft, so it was fair game.
The question was raised, but it was never answered. For all we know the contract says "the Raw champion," not "the World Heavyweight champion." Until we get a character saying he's actually read the contract, we can assume that anyone talking about it is just assuming they know what it says. Which just means that WWE can make it say anything they want.
Originally posted by redsoxnationThe idea of the title sanctity in Edge's contract was broached in an interview on TV prior to the draft, so it was fair game.
The question was raised, but it was never answered. For all we know the contract says "the Raw champion," not "the World Heavyweight champion." Until we get a character saying he's actually read the contract, we can assume that anyone talking about it is just assuming they know what it says. Which just means that WWE can make it say anything they want.
Wrestling is a work, so whatever they want the contract to say is what we're supposed to believe. Not to throw stones, but can't we just wait and see what happens before making statements about what some fictional contract says (or doesn't say)?
I'm willing to give Hassan a chance. Daivari has impressed me so far. Hassan's good on the mic (although they're getting him to repeat himself over and over now...), and the crowd will always be wanting to see him get his ass kicked. Much like Piper, back in the early 80s and Honky Tonk Man in the late 80s. He's no worse a wrestler than HTM. Hell, even Hogan is a bad wrestler, so perhaps wrestling ability isn't the key factor in WWE's decisions about how much they push one person over others.
Originally posted by JustinShapiroBig summer direction stuff I hain't seen posted here:
- All three real (or borderline real in the case of PWIn) news sites are talking about Cena/Edge as the title match for SummerSlam, with Jericho/Cena being blown off on TV. I guess he'd be using the Money in the Bank here, which will I also guess infuriate people who think there is some sanctity to which belt he has to challenge for.
- On WOL, David A. Meltzer warns that they're going strong with the explosive Hassan direction, including that he's next for Batista after JBL. Which points to him going over Undertaker (via RKO?) in the #1 contender's match. :-/
- As BigSteve alluded to in another thread, believe it or not, Triple H is actually intending to go off of TV, in part because he knows he needs freshened up and in part because he doesn't want to compete with Hogan (who is in with a huge push for at least the whole summer) for the spotlight and can theoretically let him wear out his welcome as he's done in every other Hogan comeback.
So that makes Theoretical SummerSlam (9 matches, just like last year): -WWE Title: John Cena [c] vs. Edge -World Title: Batista [c] vs. Muhammad Hassan -Randy Orton vs. The Undertaker -Shawn Michaels vs. Hulk Hogan -US Title: Chris Benoit [c] vs. Random Smackdown Heel (Christian?) -IC Title: Carlito [c] vs. Random RAW Face (Big Show? Kane?) -Chris Jericho vs. Random RAW Face (Shelton? Kane?) -Eddy Guerrero vs. Rey Mysterio? Again? -A Tag Title Match from any brand? A Cruiserweight Title Match? Women's Title? Something for the Mexicools?
Originally posted by chillWrestling is a work, so whatever they want the contract to say is what we're supposed to believe. Not to throw stones, but can't we just wait and see what happens before making statements about what some fictional contract says (or doesn't say)?
I'm just sayin', they haven't actually contradicted themselves yet on this angle, so there's no need to pick it apart. Trick is you have to pick it apart to prove they haven't contradicted themselves.
Originally posted by chillWrestling is a work, so whatever they want the contract to say is what we're supposed to believe. Not to throw stones, but can't we just wait and see what happens before making statements about what some fictional contract says (or doesn't say)?
I'm just sayin', they haven't actually contradicted themselves yet on this angle, so there's no need to pick it apart. Trick is you have to pick it apart to prove they haven't contradicted themselves.
That's true...but then you'd also have to admit that you expected the WWE to plan more than a week ahead and thought that they'd KNOW they'd be swapping the big belts.
It's times like these that I'm amazed that somebody over at Titan Towers gets paid to write this stuff.
I was just thinking, over the weekend, that Cena/Hogan vs. HHH/HBK would be a great SummerSlam-y type match. That way, they can save Hogan-HBK for another time, plus Cena could face Jericho on a Raw-only PPV and keep the spotlight on him rather than several other matches.
Originally posted by CANADIAN BULLDOGI was just thinking, over the weekend, that Cena/Hogan vs. HHH/HBK would be a great SummerSlam-y type match. That way, they can save Hogan-HBK for another time, plus Cena could face Jericho on a Raw-only PPV and keep the spotlight on him rather than several other matches.
I think they have to pull the trigger on Hogan/HBK as soon as possible before Hogan decides his show has enough publicity and he walks away again.
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Originally posted by Mayhem So when is Orton supposed to be back? I thought that his shoulder was really injured and he was going to be out longer than 4 months.
You gotta think that Orton will be next in line for Batista after Hassan.
Orton has been made to look so weak, I don't think the public would accept him as a legitimate contender against Batista. At least, not by himself...
But if you had Orton recreate Evolution with himself in the HHH role, a guy like Roddy Piper in the Flair role, and random-up-and-coming-big-guy in the Batista role, it might work significantly better. (Actually, if the WWE wants to punish Brock, you could put him in the Batista role, allowing Lesnar to work off a year's worth of ring rust before pushing him back in the main event.) JMO...
Originally posted by FreewaySo that makes Theoretical SummerSlam (9 matches, just like last year)
One thing you're missin' is a Kurt Angle match, which if it isn't Hunter coming back by the show to resume their heel feud, would hopefully be against Shelton Benjamin, who he's talked about working with, and not Kane or the Big Show.
Originally posted by rv581But if you had Orton recreate Evolution with himself in the HHH role
Hey yeah. In fact, it's the perfect time for the Randy Orton's Evolution they started teasing in fall 2003 when the idea was for Orton to eventually turf Hunter and Flair because they were old & busted.
The High Evolutionary Randy Orton Batista Maven Mark Jindrak Garrison Cade
The only hitch is ... everything. Alright, let's try again.
Evolution Randy Orton Charlie Haas Matt Morgan Kevin Fertig
Originally posted by rv581Orton has been made to look so weak, I don't think the public would accept him as a legitimate contender against Batista. At least, not by himself.
If they believe the public would accept Hassan as a legitimate contender so shortly after he was beaten by Cena on RAW in a match that would make a squash on Challenge in '88 seem like a 1 hour draw, they could find a way to make a former champion in Orton look like a serious contender.
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