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thecubsfan
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#1 Posted on 19.11.15 1111.05
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I want to be honest with you. I'm having a bad wrestling morning and I just wanted an excuse to repost this and feel right about something.


    But...TNA has appeared to just about die or been in grave trouble for just about every year it's existed, and it just keeps existing. They're the most rickety major league promotion to go a decade and a half. It's easy to believe they'll somehow keep shuffling on forever until someone finally admits they're done.


I was right! TNA is leaving Destination America, but is not dying - they're moving to POP TV, the channel you may vaguely recall as the old TV Guide channel. They're airing Tuesday nights starting on January 5.. They replace Paragon Pro on the channel.

MVP, who has a few axes to grind with TNA, is strongly hinting TNA is paying to be on the channel. This seems impossible given the only way TNA was generating income was from their TV deal, but nothing is impossible when it comes to TNA.

I was wrong also. TNA is not a major league promotion at this point. Paragon was a (Las Vegas?) indie which was paying to be on TV and no one took seriously as a big league group when they were on this station. It shouldn't be different for TNA. People are going to treat TNA like a major league promotion because they were at one point, but now they're just one of hundred small groups trying to make ends meet (and maybe not doing as good a job as others.) There's not going to ever be a spectacular end for TNA, they're just going to keep getting smaller until they vanish without anyone noticing. That's disappointing.

The other thing is - between this story and ROH starting up on Comet (a channel you could get but you almost definitely need an antenna and a knowledge of sub channels to get) is the idea that "it's hard to get wrestling on TV" is totally false. It's very easy to get on TV, if you're willing to be on any TV which will have you. It's the difference between "any TV" and "a TV channel that will actually help your business" which is massive, and getting even bigger with every station added.
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#2 Posted on 19.11.15 1156.21
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Impact joins Pop TV's slate of shows including "classic" shows" 90210, Dawson's Creek, Bold and the Beautiful, Days of Our Lives, Young and the Restless and original shows Unusually Thicke (which is apparently an Alan Thicke reality show?), and a series about the New Kids on the Block cruise ship.

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#3 Posted on 19.11.15 1156.57
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The Observer is reporting that PopTV is in nearly 20 million more homes, so that's a good thing for them, right?
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#4 Posted on 19.11.15 1308.14
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Well, at least they haven't signed any 'big name' free agents and then killed any excitement by putting them in some aimless MexAmerica angle. They're also not forcing any dead brother storylines ... But their countdown clock that varied by time zone and then broke was classic TNA and pretty much sums up their existence. I'm all for having as much pro wrestling on tv as possible, just not these guys anymore. The surprising thing to me is that a show like ROH, with a lot more talent, bombed even worse.

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#5 Posted on 19.11.15 1545.53
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    Originally posted by Packman V2
    The Observer is reporting that PopTV is in nearly 20 million more homes, so that's a good thing for them, right?


Well it beats a kick in the head.
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#6 Posted on 19.11.15 1613.16
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I do get Pop on my cable, whereas I'd have to upgrade to get Destination America, so from my perspective is an upgrade. Not that I've cared about TNA in a long time, but at least there's the possibility I'll flip to it occasionally.

As Andy implies, this is a weird place for a wrestling show. It's mostly pop-culture oriented and seems to lean more female. I'll occasionally watch an old Celebrity Name Game there, and I tried the acapella reality show they were running once, but found it distressingly low on music and high on stupidity. I think they did run Jericho for a while (the show, not the wrestler), which at least a little more fits.
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#7 Posted on 20.11.15 0634.57
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    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    The surprising thing to me is that a show like ROH, with a lot more talent, bombed even worse.


For me, the issue was that the wrestling was (mostly) fine or better, but the actual show itself was pretty terrible. Like, they just didn't have the right sense of how to show wrestling on television, and the sport-focused stuff that RoH does doesn't play super well all on it's own for an entire hour. It would have been nice to get a little more sense of the characters, because there were a lot of guys that I didn't have any reason to invest in.
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#8 Posted on 20.11.15 0822.27
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    Originally posted by Tenken347
      Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
      The surprising thing to me is that a show like ROH, with a lot more talent, bombed even worse.


    For me, the issue was that the wrestling was (mostly) fine or better, but the actual show itself was pretty terrible. Like, they just didn't have the right sense of how to show wrestling on television, and the sport-focused stuff that RoH does doesn't play super well all on it's own for an entire hour. It would have been nice to get a little more sense of the characters, because there were a lot of guys that I didn't have any reason to invest in.

That last point is a good one. NJPW on AXS has done a pretty wonderful job of parceling out info on who everybody is, how they relate to each other and to stars from the past and tying it all together to the current (which is to say last year's) feuds. As someone watching it weekly, I'd like them to know I'm good about the New Three Musketeers talking point by now, and the non-Ibushi juniors got largely ignored until about this month (I suspect this may have something to do with the crowds?), but I'd say they've done an amazing job of filling in the gap I had between the late '90s stuff I knew and today, which is pretty extraordinary.

A lot of that comes from putting in those taped introductions where you get to actually hear the wrestlers talk, and especially the post-match press conference bits (why, why, why, did WWE bail on doing those from the early days of The Network?). I don't imagine I'd love Nakamura or Suzuki half as much as I currently do without getting to hear them sell their characters in and out of the ring. (I'm hoping Suzuki's pragmatic press conference about refusing to accept he was out of the G1 Tournament because "everybody else might get food poisoning" got the 2014 promo of the year consideration it deserved.)
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#9 Posted on 20.11.15 0916.14
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    especially the post-match press conference bits (why, why, why, did WWE bail on doing those from the early days of The Network?).


I'm about 2 months behind on NJPW on AXS, but this is by far my best part of the show. I'm great amused every time a loser is so devastated - emotionally more than physically! - that they conduct an interview on their hands and knees or just laying on the ground. Tanahashi yelling out things that are translated but could use another pass is great.
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#10 Posted on 20.11.15 1141.25
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    Originally posted by thecubsfan

      especially the post-match press conference bits (why, why, why, did WWE bail on doing those from the early days of The Network?).


    I'm about 2 months behind on NJPW on AXS, but this is by far my best part of the show. I'm great amused every time a loser is so devastated - emotionally more than physically! - that they conduct an interview on their hands and knees or just laying on the ground. Tanahashi yelling out things that are translated but could use another pass is great.
Yeah, the guys who crawl to/out of the backstage press conferences are the best, especially when juxtaposed with those same guys in, like, nice sweaters doing the pre-taped interviews from the NJPW equivalent of Titan Towers. It's also kinda funny to see the non-Japan guys who seem initially perplexed by the format until they realize "oh, OK, so exactly like a post playoff-game press conference."

(I'm kinda fascinated by Tanahashi, who really comes off like if WCW Jericho had been given the "Arrogant Face Who Can Never Lose" gimmick/push Cena has.)
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#11 Posted on 21.11.15 1047.19
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My cable does get POP, so I can still see TNA, but ROH moving to this Comet gimmick isn't doing me any good . From my POV, issues with TNA have never really been with the abilities of the talent, just the creative direction of the product. I can see though the point other people are making about ROH's character development not making itself more appealing to viewers who don't diehard follow indy wrestling and already know who workers are and what they're all about. It's a difficult balance to try to present a more wrestling oriented product but still try to play to a broader audience of fans who could be watching Vin Diesel movies, the Kardashians or Ridiculousness.
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#12 Posted on 25.11.15 1929.07
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    Originally posted by Wrestling Observer
    it is believed Pop TV is not paying for the programming.


    Originally posted by Wrestling Observer
    it is believed Pop TV is not paying for the programming.


    Originally posted by Wrestling Observer
    it is believed Pop TV is not paying for the programming.


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#13 Posted on 25.11.15 2007.38
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The India Tour, the last remaining glimmer of anything, has also been canceled last minute.
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#14 Posted on 25.11.15 2011.38
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Ryan Satin's Pro Wrestling Sheet is just as adamant that TNA is NOT paying for the timeslot. I guess that could mean that no money is exchanging hands here, but that would be kind of a weird deal I would think.
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#15 Posted on 26.11.15 0345.50
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So see you guys next year when we talk about Pop TV cancelling them?
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#16 Posted on 26.11.15 1340.35
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    Originally posted by J. Kyle
    So see you guys next year when we talk about Pop TV cancelling them?


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#17 Posted on 29.11.15 2253.15
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Hey I know that channel, mostly for the Big Brother After Dark show. It's so great that I can see the Shera Shuffle/Shake in 2016. And Jessie Godderz is from Big Brother too, so it all comes together!


I won't watch TNA.
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