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#21 Posted on 19.2.16 0500.19
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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    Maybe not to a SCOTUS Nominee, but the Dems can't complain when they've done it to federal court nominees time and time again. They dragged their feet on Judge Priscilla Owen for 4 years. Yes, FOUR YEARS. Guess who joined the filibuster against her when they finally did get around to heaerings? Your POTUS.
The delay in that process was in response to the Republican Senate refusing to hold hearings on Clinton's two nominees for the same vacant seat.

Gotta love the 'They were terrible, so it's ok for us to be terrible too' logic.
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#22 Posted on 19.2.16 0730.36
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I'm just saying all the crying about the GOP suggesting it is ridiculous, since both parties have done it in the very recent past.
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#23 Posted on 19.2.16 0808.44
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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    I'm just saying all the crying about the GOP suggesting it is ridiculous, since both parties have done it in the very recent past.


The early 90s and late 80s are not recent past. Its the past. Sandra Day O'Conner, nominated by Regan, says they need a ninth member, now. You are going to be hearing more of that all summer. Mitch opening his mouth early has made this a winnable issue for the Dems. Even other GOP members realize especially those who are up for election in blue and purple states. Obama will get someone in before he is out, because the GOP's front runner is picking fights with the Pope. The establishment will cut their White Houses and get as many issues off the board to keep the Congress. They will eventually cave by July.
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#24 Posted on 19.2.16 1509.11
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Maybe my understanding of politics is a bit simplistic, but replacing a Supreme Court justice is some pretty serious business compared to anything else and the process is pretty balanced right now, so why not go with the sure thing?

Dems have the power to nominate, GOP has the power to confirm. So they should want a vote because both parties have a say in who gets to serve. To deny that they'll even vote until after the election is a denial of their own power in the process and they don't look very good in doing so.

For all the GOP knows, they'll have Hillary and a lost majority to contend with in a year. Maybe they'll have full control, too, but this looks like a stupid gamble on its face.
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#25 Posted on 20.2.16 0951.12
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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    I'm just saying all the crying about the GOP suggesting it is ridiculous, since both parties have done it in the very recent past.


Except no party, until now, has ever flatly refused to consider any nominee for a seat.

Basically, your position is, if Republicans do something nasty and then Democrats do the same thing, the Republicans are justified in doing something even worse.
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#26 Posted on 20.2.16 1445.23
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No. My position is that both parties are stupid. Both of them do the exact same thing with obstructing the president when it suits their needs.
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#28 Posted on 20.2.16 1445.24
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#30 Posted on 21.2.16 0711.18
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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    No. My position is that both parties are stupid. Both of them do the exact same thing with obstructing the president when it suits their needs.


Your position is empirically false.
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#31 Posted on 22.2.16 1032.32
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    Originally posted by Peter The Hegemon
      Originally posted by StaggerLee
      No. My position is that both parties are stupid. Both of them do the exact same thing with obstructing the president when it suits their needs.


    Your position is empirically false.
Maybe in letter, but not in spirit.

This is a stupid argument. We don't even have a nominee and any talk about what'll happen is just talk right now. I don't think THIS is the time to start automatically believing Republicans.
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#32 Posted on 23.2.16 1955.47
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I know you probably don't want this to go on any further, but to say that the Republicans are no worse than the Democrats in spirit wrt obstructionism is to have your head very deeply buried in the sand. I'll leave it up to you whether you want to get into that or not.
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#33 Posted on 24.2.16 1046.17
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    Originally posted by Peter The Hegemon
    I know you probably don't want this to go on any further, but to say that the Republicans are no worse than the Democrats in spirit wrt obstructionism is to have your head very deeply buried in the sand. I'll leave it up to you whether you want to get into that or not.
Your position is empirically false.
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#34 Posted on 24.2.16 1111.32
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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    No. My position is that both parties are stupid. Both of them do the exact same thing with obstructing the president when it suits their needs.



THIS.
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#35 Posted on 24.2.16 1208.40
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It's been suggested that Scalia may have died from sleep apnea, judging by the unplugged C-PAP machine in his hotel room.

Frightening. My mother has sleep apnea, so I understand how dangerous it is. Perhaps this will raise awareness of this serious disease.
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#36 Posted on 24.2.16 1257.35
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    Originally posted by ekedolphin
    It's been suggested that Scalia may have died from sleep apnea, judging by the unplugged C-PAP machine in his hotel room.

    Frightening. My mother has sleep apnea, so I understand how dangerous it is. Perhaps this will raise awareness of this serious disease.

I will tongue-partially-in-cheek suggest that if Reggie White, a 'bah gawd NFL football player' dying of sleep apnea didn't draw attention to the illness, a Supreme Court Justice won't do any more for attention.
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#37 Posted on 24.2.16 1631.21
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    Originally posted by Sec19Row53
      Originally posted by ekedolphin
      It's been suggested that Scalia may have died from sleep apnea, judging by the unplugged C-PAP machine in his hotel room.

      Frightening. My mother has sleep apnea, so I understand how dangerous it is. Perhaps this will raise awareness of this serious disease.

    I will tongue-partially-in-cheek suggest that if Reggie White, a 'bah gawd NFL football player' dying of sleep apnea didn't draw attention to the illness, a Supreme Court Justice won't do any more for attention.


Didn't realize that. Yeah, you're probably right.
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#38 Posted on 24.2.16 2324.45
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    Originally posted by CRZ
      Originally posted by Peter The Hegemon
      I know you probably don't want this to go on any further, but to say that the Republicans are no worse than the Democrats in spirit wrt obstructionism is to have your head very deeply buried in the sand. I'll leave it up to you whether you want to get into that or not.
    Your position is empirically false.


Funny. Wrong, but funny.
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#39 Posted on 24.2.16 2329.26
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    Originally posted by Kevintripod
      Originally posted by StaggerLee
      No. My position is that both parties are stupid. Both of them do the exact same thing with obstructing the president when it suits their needs.



    THIS.


Yeah. The Republicans stated that their number one goal was to deny the President a second term, demonized health care proposals they themselves had made once the President agreed with them, heckled the President during the State of the Union, repeatedly threatened a government shutdown, and flatly refused to consider anyone nominated by the President to the Supreme Court. And the Democrats have done every single one of these things, too--except the first three and the last two!

This whole "both of them do it" is a complete lie.
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#40 Posted on 25.2.16 1110.43
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It's the self-fulfilling prophecy of dysfunctional government.

Run for office: "Washington is broken."
Get into office, don't do the jobs.
Run for office again: "See, Washington is broken!"
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