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|  #1 Posted on 3.9.15 1359.51
Reposted on: 3.9.22 1402.27 | Pretty sure this is right.
1 Seth Rollins
2 John Cena
3 A.J. Styles
4 Roman Reigns
5 Shinsuke Namakura
6 Randy Orton
7 Jay Briscoe
8 Alexander Rusev
9 Alberto El Patrón
10 Kevin Owens
11 Hiroshi Tanahashi
12 Dolph Ziggler
13 Dean Ambrose
14 Daniel Bryan
15 Adrian Neville
16 Prince Puma (Ricochet)
17 Jay Lethal
18 Bobby Lashley
19 Minoru Suzuki
20 King Barrett
21 Bray Wyatt
22 Bobby Roode
23 Sami Zayn
24 Luke Harper
25 Kurt Angle
26 Mil Muertes
27 Kazuchika Okada
28 Finn Bálor
29 Ryback
30 Ethan Carter III
31 Go Shiozaki
32 Johnny Mundo
33 Eric Young
34 Yujiro Kushida
35 Kyle O'Reilly
36 The Big Show
37 Drew Galloway
38 Hideo Itami
39 Adam Cole
40 Kota Ibushi
41 Antonio Cesaro
42 Sheamus O'Shaunessy
43 Michael Elgin
44 Big E Langston
45 Bobby Fish
46 Samoa Joe
47 Jeff Hardy
48 Naomichi Marufuji
49 Jimmy Uso
50 Austin Aries
51 Kane
52 Kofi Kingston
53 Tyson Kidd
54 Kenny Omega
55 Davey Richards
56 James Storm
57 Maximo
58 A.C.H.
59 BxB Hulk
60 Mike Mizanin
61 Tyler Breeze
62 Roderick Strong
63 King Cuerno
64 Christopher Daniels
65 Stardust
66 Matt Jackson
67 Nick Jackson
68 Hiroyoshi Tenzan
69 Frankie Kazarian
70 Mark Briscoe
71 Brutus Magnus
72 Jey Uso
73 Doc Gallows
74 Matt Hardy
75 Eddie Edwards
76 Hirooki Goto
77 Xavier Woods
78 Brian Cage
79 Karl Anderson
80 Tetsuya Naito
81 Davey Boy Smith Jr.
82 Michael Bennett
83 Rob Conway
84 Chris Jericho
85 Cedric Alexander
86 Baron Corbin
87 El Texano Jr.
88 Akebono
89 Goldust
90 Bad Luck Fale
91 Montel Vontavious Porter
92 Lance Archer
93 Damien Sandow
94 "R-Truth" Ron Killings
95 Pentagon Jr.
96 Matt Taven
97 Low-Ki
98 Satoshi Kojima
99 A.R. Fox
100 Sin Cara
101 Suwama
102 Ryusuke Taguchi
103 Rocky Romero
104 Chris Hero
105 Trent Barreta
106 Kenny King
107 El Terrible
108 Joe Doering
109 Johnny Gargano
110 Tomohiro Ishii
111 Erick Rowan
112 Abyss
113 Rockstar Spud
114 Matt Sydal
115 Daisuke Sekimoto
116 Buddy Murphy
117 Angélico
118 Ken Anderson
119 Rich Swann
120 Kalisto
121 Wesley Blake
122 Rey Bucanero
123 Katsuyori Shibata
124 Bram Cameron
125 Drago
126 P.J. Black
127 Matt Cross
128 Togi Makabe
129 Bully Ray
130 Mark Henry
131 Myzteziz
132 Drew Gulak
133 Tommaso Ciampa
134 Phil Gunner
135 Chris Sabin
136 Seiya Senada
137 Jack Swagger
138 Yuji Nagata
139 Luke Hawx
140 Jax Dane
141 Masato Yoshino
142 Curtis Axel
143 Alex Shelley
144 Volador Jr.
145 Rhyno
146 Blue Demon Jr.
147 Manik
148 Rick Viktor
149 Robbie Eckos
150 Jun Akiyama
151 Konnor O'Brian
152 Crazzy Steve
153 T-Hawk
154 Moose
155 La Sombra
156 Bo Dallas
157 Colt Cabana
158 SUSHI
159 Angel De Oro
160 Matador Diego
161 Matador Fernando
162 Fenix
163 Tommy End
164 Jessie Godderz
165 Zack Sabre Jr.
166 Aero Star
167 Yamato
168 Zack Ryder
169 Mephisto
170 Dr. Wagner Jr.
171 Titus O'Neil
172 B.J. Whitmer
173 Masada
174 Rey Escorpion
175 Darren Young
176 Naruki Doi
177 Big Rycklon Stephens
178 Kotaro Suzuki
179 Khoya Shera
180 Tigre Uno
181 Hideki Suzuki
182 Jeff Jarrett
183 Johnny Fandango
184 Shane Haste
185 Mikey Nicholls
186 KAI
187 Adam Rose
188 Micah Camacho
189 Heath Slater
190 Adam Page
191 D.J. Shiima Xion
192 Mojo Rawley
193 L.A. Park
194 Kento Miyahara
195 Kahagas
196 Eli Drake
197 Uhaa Nation
198 Ultimo Guerrero
199 Papadon
200 Tim Storm
201 Harashima
202 Rey Horus
203 Raymond Rowe
204 Biff Busick
205 El Sensacional Carlitos
206 Colin Cassady
207 Chris Melendez
208 The Romantic Touch
209 Caprice Coleman
210 Bestia 666
211 Takashi Sugiura
212 Mistico
213 Mark Andrews
214 Tyrus Clay
215 Silas Young
216 Donovan Dijak
217 Ricky Reyes
218 Masato Tanaka
219 Chicano
220 Will Ferrara
221 Dalton Castle
222 Chase Owens
223 Joey Ryan
224 Steve Anthony
225 Shuji Ishikawa
226 Enzo Amore
227 Matt Riviera
228 Keiji Muto
229 Chris Silvio
230 Jushin Liger
231 Jason Kincaid
232 Pepper Parks
233 Gedo
234 Facade
235 Mr. 450
236 Kohei Sato
237 Ashley Sixx
238 CIMA
239 Tyson Dux
240 Jado
241 Todd Hanson
242 Charlie Haas
243 Shawn Hernandez
244 Matt Tremont
245 David Starr
246 Mighty Ursas
247 Samuel Shaw
248 Brian Kendrick
249 Tank
250 Solomon Crowe
251 Stevie Richards
252 Kzy
253 J. Diesel
254 Aiden O'Shea
255 Shingo Takagi
256 Simon Gotch
257 Scorpio Sky
258 Brian Myers
259 BLK Jeez
260 Tomoaki Honma
261 Aiden English
262 Colin Delaney
263 Bull Dempsey
264 Akito
265 Tony Nese
266 Brutal Bob Evans
267 Akira Tozawa
268 Cody Deaner
269 Jeff Cobb
270 Ultimo Dragon
271 Jason Gory
272 Isami Kodaka
273 Chuck Taylor
274 Aero Boy
275 Ryan Taylor
276 Masakatsu Funaki
277 Jason Jordan
278 Arik Cannon
279 Kenou
280 D.J. Hyde
281 Negro Casas
282 Darin Corbin
283 Stu Grayson
284 Danny Havoc
285 Shocker
286 Player Uno
287 Lucky 13
288 Yuko Miyamoto
289 Kaz Hayashi
290 Shuji Kondo
291 Roy Knight
292 Dylan Bostic
293 Yuji Okabayashi
294 B-Boy
295 Zak Knight
296 Argenis/Barrio Negro
297 Carlito Colon
298 John Skyler
299 KUDO
300 Timothy Thatcher
301 Devon Moore
302 Corey Hollis
303 Tommy Dreamer
304 Ricky Mandel
305 Ethan Page
306 Dave Crist
307 Rhett Giddins
308 Asylum
309 Alex Colon
310 Taichi
311 Steve Boz
312 Jake Crist
313 Atlantis
314 Famous B
315 Sonjay Dutt
316 Toru Yano
317 Johnny Yuma
318 Chavo Guerrero Jr.
319 Yoshinobu Kanemaru
320 Matt Burns
321 Hayato Fujita
322 Teddy Hart
323 Psycho Clown
324 Mike Bailey
325 Barbaro Cavernario
326 KENSO
327 Hallowicked
328 Tye Dillinger
329 Johnny Goodtime
330 Chasyn Rance
331 Lancelot Bravado
332 Bill Collier
333 J.R. Kratos
334 Masaaki Mochizuki
335 Josef Von Schmidt
336 Houston Carson
337 Jaxson James
338 Byron Wilcott
339 Aaron Epic
340 Shane Strickland
341 Greg Anthony
342 Harlem Bravado
343 Trauma 1
344 Thomas Shire
345 Angel Metalico
346 Willie Mack
347 Gran Akuma
348 John McChesney
349 Trauma 2
350 Trevor Lee
351 Sean Carr
352 Scotty O'Shea
353 Americos
354 El Siniestro De La Muerte
355 A.J. Istria
356 Ray Rosas
357 Jimmy Havoc
358 Buxx Belmar
359 Jesse Sorensen
360 Gregory Iron
361 Chet Sterling
362 Brandon Espinosa
363 Negro Navarro
364 Icarus
365 Wes Brisco
366 Zach Gowen
367 Dru Onyx
368 Andrew Everett
369 Jeremy Wyatt
370 Lince Dorado
371 Joe Gacy
372 Lance Anoi'a
373 Solar
374 Maximo Suave
375 R.J. City
376 Robert Anthony
377 Dylan Drake
378 Phoenix Star
379 Damien 666
380 Jag Hartley Jackson
381 Marko Estrada
382 Ali Shabazz
383 Eddie Smooth
384 Zokre
385 Chase Del Monte
386 Eddie Kingston
387 Hannibal
388 B.C. Killer
389 Napalm Bomb
390 Hellcat
391 Caleb Konley
392 Grado
393 Greg Excellent
394 Collin Cutler
395 Soto
396 Li'l Cholo
397 Shane Matthews
398 Super Fly
399 Jake Dirden
400 Stockade
401 Milo Beasley
402 Scott Parker
403 Michael Tarver
404 Madman Pondo
405 Jody Kristofferson
406 Acid Jaz
407 Kevin Bennett
408 Brent Banks
409 Travis Toxic
410 El Ligero
411 Tommy Mack
412 Kyle Sebastian
413 Marshe Rockett
414 Jeckles The Jester
415 Ric Luxury
416 Thomas Dubois
417 Lou Marconi
418 Chris Cooper
419 Johnny Devine
420 Chris Aros
421 Rob Sweet
422 Bobby Sharp
423 Matthieu St. Jacques
424 Danny Ramons
425 Gabe Saint
426 Nick Hammonds
427 Rico Dynamite
428 El Mariachi
429 Jay Rios
430 Alex Reynolds
431 Kai Katana
432 Adam Thornstowe
433 Brandon Thurston
434 Jesus Rodriguez
435 Francisco Ciatso
436 Jay Cruz
437 Luster The Legend
438 Chaz Taylor
439 James Claxton
440 Kirk Warmack
441 John Silver
442 B.J. Hancock
443 "Beer City Bruiser" Matt Winchester
444 AHTU
445 Brandon Scott
446 Shane Sabre
447 David Finlay Jr.
448 Gregory James
449 Kongo Kong
450 Jake O'Reilly
451 Eddie Diamond
452 Max Smashmaster
453 Adam Revolver
454 Jack Evans
455 Kekoa
456 Shayne Hawke
457 Bobby Shields
458 Blaster McMassive
459 Ron Falco
460 Anthony Darko
461 Tyler Bateman
462 Alexander James
463 Chris Dickinson
464 Peter Avalon
465 Jaxon Jarvis
466 Coconut Jones
467 Chrisifix
468 Jervis Cottonbelly
469 Mr. Juicy
470 Kwan Chang
471 Damien Wayne
472 Dick Justice
473 Rip Impact
474 Steve Stardom
475 Ricky Ruffin
476 C.J. Doyle
477 Adam Ryder
478 Silent Warrior
479 John Campbell
480 John Saxon
481 Billy Blade
482 Chris Perish
483 Barry Hardy
484 Pinky Santino
485 T-Rex Atkins
486 The Stro
487 Chuck Deep
488 Dexter Milhouse
489 Sebastian Suave
490 Matthew Palmer
491 Richie Slade
492 Arrick Andrews
493 Blackjack Phoenix
494 Stompin' Steve
495 Kay Jutler
496 Cheeseburger
497 The Hobo
498 Dewey Murray
499 Brandon Locke
500 Space Monkey
(changed four rankings as per the other thread - JK)
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| #2 Posted on 3.9.15 1532.48
Reposted on: 3.9.22 1534.43 | Let the bitching commence...
Hmm..where is Brock?! | PowerPB13
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| #3 Posted on 3.9.15 1551.27
Reposted on: 3.9.22 1552.46 | | Need to wrestle semi-regularly to qualify. Thus no Brock, Taker, HHH, Sting. Bryan presumably out due to being hurt for most of the eligibility period | KJames199
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|  #4 Posted on 3.9.15 1603.39
Reposted on: 3.9.22 1605.49 | Originally posted by PowerPB13
Bryan presumably out due to being hurt for most of the eligibility period
He's at 14. | BigDaddyLoco
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| #5 Posted on 3.9.15 1611.27
Reposted on: 3.9.22 1622.32 | This is just me being a nerd and looking at this quickly, but how is Michael Bennett fourteen spots higher than Matt Taven, is it the Maria factor?
The Young Bucks are kings of the indys and had a better year than a lot of guys ahead of them.
Roman Reigns at #4, suck it haters!
Randy Orton #6, suck it BigDaddyLoco! | andy1278
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| #6 Posted on 3.9.15 1810.14
Reposted on: 3.9.22 1812.02 | I love King Barrett, but he should be way below a lot of guys below him with the way he's been booked this year.
Also, I think they throw darts for the midsection. How do Adam Rose and Heath Slater outrate Enzo? And really, Ryder isn't so bad he should be #477. Going by the Wrestling Prospectus, he has a better record than Adam Rose.
They missed the memo that the top three were #1 Big E (due to dancing skills), #2 Xavier Woods (due to trumpet ability), and #3 Kofi Kingston (due to being megadad of the year). | PowerPB13
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| #7 Posted on 3.9.15 1854.04
Reposted on: 3.9.22 1854.47 | Originally posted by KJames199
Originally posted by PowerPB13
Bryan presumably out due to being hurt for most of the eligibility period
He's at 14.
Huh, forgot he was there. Guess the WWE mind conditioning is taking effect. | Dionysus
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| #8 Posted on 3.9.15 2312.04
Reposted on: 3.9.22 2312.51 | Lashley really should have been #1 or #2. This was his year.
Part of me wants to say ECIII should have been higher, but the TNA winter break and his injury did derail his momentum for a while during the time period in question.
Roode deserved top 10.
Surprised Angle wrestled enough to qualify.
Eddie Edwards and Davey Richards (the Wolves) should have been higher. Same with Spud.
Poor MVP. Would have deserved #1 had he not gotten injured. He never recovered from it, so he's probably placed more or less correctly.
I think Grado shouldn't have been so low. | GodEatGod
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| #9 Posted on 4.9.15 0410.44
Reposted on: 4.9.22 0412.22 | Originally posted by Dionysus
Lashley really should have been #1 or #2. This was his year.
Part of me wants to say ECIII should have been higher, but the TNA winter break and his injury did derail his momentum for a while during the time period in question.
Roode deserved top 10.
Surprised Angle wrestled enough to qualify.
Eddie Edwards and Davey Richards (the Wolves) should have been higher. Same with Spud.
Poor MVP. Would have deserved #1 had he not gotten injured. He never recovered from it, so he's probably placed more or less correctly.
I think Grado shouldn't have been so low.
I actually like TNA more than most people and even I know most of this is crazy talk.
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| #10 Posted on 4.9.15 0811.17
Reposted on: 4.9.22 0815.29 | Zack Ryder's ranking has to be a rib.
Midwest local guys include Jake Dirden(first time in the 500), Brandon Espinosa(who's been in there for a while), and Jeremy Wyatt. | InVerse
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| #11 Posted on 4.9.15 0816.46
Reposted on: 4.9.22 0818.59 | 27 of the 33 members of the Lucha Underground roster made the list. I'd argue that all 27 of them deserve to be ranked higher.
The six that didn't make it are Bengala, Daivari, Marty "The Moth" Martinez, Mascarita Sagrada, Vinny Massaro, and Pimpinella Escarlata.
I have to assume that, coming in late, Daivari and Marty simply didn't have enough TV time to make the list because their performances absolutely warranted recognition. Daivari has been there before, in 2012 & 2013, maybe earlier but I didn't go any further back than 2011.
I would imagine that Bengala and Pimpinella Escarlata both have better performances than many of the people at the bottom of the list, though I wouldn't put more effort into arguing it than required by typing one overly long sentence.
Not sure if minis are eligible, I'm guessing not since Ctrl-F doesn't turn up the word "cita" or "mini".
Vinny Massaro I'll grant probably doesn't warrant a spot based on his two jobber appearances on the show.
Also, I think it's time they integrate the men's & women's lists. There are several women who would definitely rank higher than quite a few men on this list. | Dr Unlikely
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| #12 Posted on 4.9.15 0848.21
Reposted on: 4.9.22 0848.54 | | Mil Muertes killed an immortal dude. Bray Wyatt tried and failed to kill an immortal dude. By any set of advanced statistical analyses - and yes, I am a wrestling sabermetrician, a faybermetrician, if you will - Mil Muertes needs to be above Bray Wyatt, at minimum. | AWArulz
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| #13 Posted on 4.9.15 0957.45
Reposted on: 4.9.22 0958.25 | Immortal dude = 100
Fighting only = 50
Killing 100
El Rey on 40 million TVs
USA on 96 Million TV
Muertes - (100*100)*40 = 400000
Wyatt - (100*50)*96 = 480000
Gotta go Bray
(edited by AWArulz on 4.9.15 1059) | Dr Unlikely
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| #14 Posted on 4.9.15 1103.37
Reposted on: 4.9.22 1106.25 | Originally posted by AWArulz
Immortal dude = 100
Fighting only = 50
Killing 100
El Rey on 40 million TVs
USA on 96 Million TV
Muertes - (100*100)*40 = 400000
Wyatt - (100*50)*96 = 480000
Gotta go Bray
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If I wasn't already busy working out how Twin Shares factor into evaluating Nikki Bella's potential record-setting run for The Fabermetrics Journal, I'd really pull these numbers apart.
But for now, I think that if you dig a little deeper into the Rudo-Assisted Wrestling Index Statistical Wins Above Replacement figures for Mil vs. Bray, you'd see a huge shift in Mil's overall performance. And that's not even getting into things like Wyatt's Unintentional Spiderwalk Rate, or how much of an impact Wyatt's dreadful CENA numbers from 2014 have had on his 2015 output. | PowerPB13
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| #15 Posted on 4.9.15 1208.24
Reposted on: 4.9.22 1209.56 | | Rusev's only losses in the eligibility period were to Cena and he got #8. | MoeGates
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| #16 Posted on 4.9.15 1435.43
Reposted on: 4.9.22 1436.40 | | WHERE IS TINIEBLAS JR? | Dionysus
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| #17 Posted on 4.9.15 1804.46
Reposted on: 4.9.22 1805.59 | Originally posted by GodEatGod
I actually like TNA more than most people and even I know most of this is crazy talk.
Comparing people from different promotions involves a lot of subjectivity to be sure. I am basing my opinion of Bobby Lashley upon his ultra dominant title reign in late 2014, plus a lesser boost from his strong title reign this year. (I believe the time period covered is August 1, 2014-August 1, 2015.) I don't watch WWE, but my impression from the RAW/PPV posts on this message board is that Rollins's title reign has not been a strong one. Cena is always a respectable top tier competitor, but he seems to have only held the title for a few weeks in the past PWI year. Reigns and Orton failed to hold the title at all.
I can't comment on Lucha Underground since I haven't yet had the time to watch them. (I definitely intend to at some point--I watched their first episode and loved it.) So, I admit that its possible that they could have guys deserving of being ranked higher than Lashley. | Tenken347
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| #18 Posted on 4.9.15 2252.31
Reposted on: 4.9.22 2259.01 | Originally posted by Dr Unlikely
Originally posted by AWArulz
Immortal dude = 100
Fighting only = 50
Killing 100
El Rey on 40 million TVs
USA on 96 Million TV
Muertes - (100*100)*40 = 400000
Wyatt - (100*50)*96 = 480000
Gotta go Bray
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If I wasn't already busy working out how Twin Shares factor into evaluating Nikki Bella's potential record-setting run for The Fabermetrics Journal, I'd really pull these numbers apart.
But for now, I think that if you dig a little deeper into the Rudo-Assisted Wrestling Index Statistical Wins Above Replacement figures for Mil vs. Bray, you'd see a huge shift in Mil's overall performance. And that's not even getting into things like Wyatt's Unintentional Spiderwalk Rate, or how much of an impact Wyatt's dreadful CENA numbers from 2014 have had on his 2015 output.
This is really, really important:
What does CENA stand for? | RYDER FAKIN
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| #19 Posted on 5.9.15 1348.08
Reposted on: 5.9.22 1349.03 | okay, first off, you know, let me tell you something
- every NASH interview, etc
Missed some things and I don't search, what is Fabermetrics Journal
CENA stands for Can't Understand Normal Thinking. His character, not the person
For the 500 - Styles, Okada, Tanahashi...all those Japan guys. All good. Rollins or Cena did not have a standout match (unless you count the Cena / Cesaro match) this year
Kevin Owens is my current favorite. Until he got jerked off. He's coming back now
We need Samoa Joe. But he's like 40 and going nowhere probably. Good on NXT, but he could be a better Rusev and the fuckers Samoan
GURU/CRZ - please add Tanahashi , Cena , Cesaro , Rusev to the spell check. Grazi
and Fabermatrics, right?
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| #20 Posted on 5.9.15 1533.37
Reposted on: 5.9.22 1534.57 | Holy crap, it's FLEA!
Holy crap, someone's using the spell check!
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