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|  #1 Posted on 19.7.15 2227.11
Reposted on: 19.7.22 2228.06 | Battleground was cool in a way, because they just let guys go out there and work twenty minute matches. What they did with those matches might be a different story.
Then of course the shortest match of the night featured your World Champion getting slaughtered, apparently having no plan yet again only to be saved by some old man who must have tripped over the power cord powering the arena lights on his way to the ring and making a fool out of the WWE's monster.
I'm a big Undertaker fan, but get the fuck outta here with this garbage. Also Seth Rollins and his run as champion is now on life support. WWE also needs to be very careful on what the next phase is for Kevin Owens.
The undercard was better than expected and Sasha did her best to carry the weaker Diva team members. The Wyatt family is partially back together after Harper helps out Bray in a long overdue reunion that should have just happened after the Rumble. Owens-Cena delivered, but it didn't reach the level of their last matches or even the Cesaro Raw matches.
Fun show, but a weird show.
Orton over Sheamus
PTP over New Day
Charlotte over Brie and Sasha in a three way
Bray beat Reigns
Cena over Owens
Big Show punched Miz
Brock probably won, but nothing was announced
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| #2 Posted on 19.7.15 2243.11
Reposted on: 19.7.22 2247.02 | This was an enjoyable show. I don't particularly feel like they've given us a reason to care about Orton or Sheamus in the first match or the Prime Time Players in the second match but both were good matches.
I was surprised how much I was into Wyatt/Reigns. I haven't particularly been a big fan of either as a singles wrestler but this was a very good match for both of them. I love that Harper is back with Wyatt, Wyatt's gimmick is about people following him so he should have followers.
I know Charlotte is going to get the mega push but I love Sasha so much more. I feel like they have a major problem with Nikki as champion though. I like the Bellas FINE, but with the new additions they drop to the worse half of the division. | StingArmy
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| #3 Posted on 19.7.15 2248.00
Reposted on: 19.7.22 2259.01 | Maybe I should have seen that non-finish coming. That was the laziest match planning I've ever seen for a PPV main event. Thirteen suplexes over the span of about thirteen minutes is not cute. It got old halfway there. But I guess since they knew the run-in was the big payoff, there was no need to put on an actual match. Grumble grumble.
Count me in with Jerry Lawler and his very vocal tiring of WWE fans booing Cena just for the hell of it, regardless of how good his matches are.
- StingArmy | JayJayDean
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| #4 Posted on 19.7.15 2257.33
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|  #5 Posted on 20.7.15 0023.00
Reposted on: 20.7.22 0027.59 | Wyatt vs Reigns was solid gold from the moment Wyatt countered the apron dropkick onward.
The women were excellent.
The Prime Time Players need a double team finisher, even if it's just Young doing a leapfrog before Titus hits his move.
I said to my friend during Cena vs Owens: "He kicked out of a top rope FU, wouldn't it be awful if he gave up here?" I blame myself for jinxing it. | thecubsfan
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| #6 Posted on 20.7.15 0052.49
Reposted on: 20.7.22 0053.16 | so what I found interesting is the PTP seemed to retain because if they won the titles and then just gave the win back the next month, they won't be taken seriously. Kevin Owens won the first time, lost every other time. It is what it is.
A wise document once said "three way matches should always have a reason to exist." I'm not sure what that reason was tonight.
When people spend this PPV cycle trying to convince you "the WM Undertaker/Brock match was bad only because UT got a concussion early on", don't forget how very old he looked here (and in his last match.) Like the women, Brock & Undertaker, they're going to work very hard. Like the women, it's probably going to have some problems.
Also, it's clearly now dumb they brought Undertaker back to beat Bray, since tonight would've been a much bigger deal if we hadn't seen him for a year and a half.
The best impact Sting may have on WWE is getting Luke Harper back in the mix. An extended Reigns/Harper feud would be great, and it at least gives them someone who they'll actually have Reigns beat.
(Show was fine!) | steven87gill
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|  #7 Posted on 20.7.15 0345.56
Reposted on: 20.7.22 0346.17 | | (deleted by steven87gill on 20.7.15 0346) | steven87gill
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| #8 Posted on 20.7.15 0346.05
Reposted on: 20.7.22 0351.20 | Originally posted by StingArmy
Count me in with Jerry Lawler and his very vocal tiring of WWE fans booing Cena just for the hell of it, regardless of how good his matches are.
- StingArmy
I don't disagree that he has great matches, the problem is that he's 5 years past his prime & still seems to go over up & coming young talent, multiple times, all the time. That's twice he's gone over Kevin Owens clean, all because he lost one match. Maybe they think Owens has benefited from this, & perhaps he would have if they'd just ended the feud 1-1 at MITB.
But no, Cena had to go over again, just to rub salt in the wound. I mean what about Cesaro? Sure, all their matches were great, but how many times has Cena gone over him now?
I'd have rather Owens lost in the first bout in some screwy fashion if it had avoided him jobbing out to Cena for two months in a row.
It makes it even more miraculous that to this day, Cena has still never gotten his win back from Daniel Bryan.
(edited by steven87gill on 20.7.15 0403) | Stefonics
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|  #9 Posted on 20.7.15 0450.47
Reposted on: 20.7.22 0454.02 | It was very cool to see the Undertaker. It wasn't very cool to see the Undertaker struggling with those tombstones. I'm glad my worst fears weren't realized and I didn't have to watch Brock get crippled. UT looks phenomenal for a man his age. But I'm not interested in watching Brock-Undertaker in 2015 with the constant fear that one will seriously hurt the other, with both in danger because of Taker's age. So the "out" is to make it a three-way for the title, with Rollins retaining by pinning Undertaker. Blah.
Orton won in St. Louis.
This has nothing to do with body-shaming, but Charlotte's negative ass is unsettling. I can't stop staring at it, and now it's staring back at me.
With all the interesting and new moves that Cena has been doing, having Owens tap to the shitty STF was confusing. | Spiraling_Shape
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| #10 Posted on 20.7.15 0615.54
Reposted on: 20.7.22 0617.26 | Isn't the Taker (theoretically) the heel in this situation? He helped Seth retain and screwed over the challenger, which isn't a very Face thing to do (even in the WWE)?
| Kevintripod
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| #11 Posted on 20.7.15 0646.49
Reposted on: 20.7.22 0659.01 | I hated the ending of the main event and I didn't like how they had Undertaker coming off really heelish in his attack on Lesnar.
Taker confronted and attacked Lesnar for no good reason (Lesnar beat him clean at Wrestlemania).
When Lesnar fought back and began to get the upper hand in the fight, Undertaker immediately cheap-shots him with a kick to the groin.
And then I'm supposed to be impressed and awed by Undertaker destroying Lesnar when the only reason Taker was able to do that was because he gave a dirty cheap shot to Lesnar.
I thought the whole thing came off looking really bad with Takers heel-like unprovoked attack.
| Tenken347
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| #12 Posted on 20.7.15 0736.06
Reposted on: 20.7.22 0737.29 | While some of those finishes were pretty questionable, I thought all of the matches on the show were pretty good. Well, except for Orton/Sheamus, which I didn't actually watch, because you'd have to pay me to watch those two fight again at this point. I'm okay with the PTP retaining, because that wound up being a great match where the PTP were justified in winning, and I'm okay with Wyatt going over because I think we all expected the feud to continue, and bringing Harper back into the mix is a plus. But I'm actually a huge fan of John Cena, and he needed to lose last night. Owens winning the US title was supposed to be how this whole thing ended (and heck, it might still be later on), but taking 2/3 matches and the title last night was what they needed to make sure they had a brand new main eventer. Now Owens goes on the Rusev pile, and we see if they fix this or if they leave him to rot, and no one's got to be feeling real hopeful at this point.
As for the Undertaker, I'm the one, and probably only, person who does want to see him wrestle Brock one more time. I just want the two of them to have a reasonably good match to erase the WM disaster they had, so that Undertaker can retire on a good match. After his career, he deserves that. Also, if you didn't love seeing the Undertaker walk out and throw his fist in the air while the lighting was flashing, you're dead inside. | lotjx
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| #13 Posted on 20.7.15 0738.37
Reposted on: 20.7.22 0743.30 | Brock did beat up his baby brother and Heyman kept running his mouth about the Streak. Eventually, this was going to happen. I believe I had this in the prediction thread, so it was not totally out of nowhere. Actually, I believe I had most of this. The Wyatt Reunion, PTP winning for no reason and Cena once again overcoming the odds. I missed on Sting/Taker confrontation and Ambrose being on the PPV. Boo to the WWE for both of those being wrong.
Cena sucks. I mean the person. How do you keep burying new talent and take no responsibility for it? We crucified Hogan back in the day for this during his late WWE and his entire WCW run. Its time to state Cena is the 21st Century Hogan. He could have put over a number of guys, but he doesn't. I am ok with the fans booing him, because he deserved to be jeered for this. This year alone, he had a super hot Rusev and murdered him. Owens, maybe he'll be ok, but I doubt it. Cena has a midcard belt, he should drop it to somebody instead it being the John Cena Memorial belt.
If anything the PPV got some interesting storylines going into SummerSlam which is what these things are going to be for awhile now. Charlotte's ass is fine.
(edited by lotjx on 20.7.15 0739) | PowerPB13
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| #14 Posted on 20.7.15 0845.12
Reposted on: 20.7.22 0848.17 | Originally posted by Tenken347
Also, if you didn't love seeing the Undertaker walk out and throw his fist in the air while the lighting was flashing, you're dead inside.
I have absolutely no doubt that I'm dead inside for a wide variety of reasons. | Mayhem
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| #15 Posted on 20.7.15 0917.47
Reposted on: 20.7.22 0927.59 |
I thought the Undertaker return was fine, but my main concern is how weak the freakin' champion was made to look.
And now who in the heck is Rollins going to face at SummerSlam? Lesnar will be with Undertaker; Reigns/Wyatt II will happen; it's too soon for another main event match vs. Ambrose. I feel as though WWE has painted themselves into a corner with Rollins at SS.
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| #16 Posted on 20.7.15 1004.30
Reposted on: 20.7.22 1006.28 | Originally posted by Mayhem
And now who in the heck is Rollins going to face at SummerSlam? Lesnar will be with Undertaker; Reigns/Wyatt II will happen; it's too soon for another main event match vs. Ambrose. I feel as though WWE has painted themselves into a corner with Rollins at SS.
It's Hunter, isn't it? | Quezzy
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| #17 Posted on 20.7.15 1008.53
Reposted on: 20.7.22 1029.01 | I don't have a problem with Undertaker acting heelish. I mean the lights go off and he appears and beats the crap out of somebody. He's been doing that for years and that's totally a heel move. Brock Lesnar acts like a heel and he's cheered. That's just how wrestling is now. It doesn't matter how you act the fans just decide whether you're face or heel.
My problem with the finish is how Rollins is being treated. Last time I was this unsure about a World Title holder was Kurt Angle (well, except for the Miz, but I pretend that never happened). But Angle ended up making me a believer. Why, because they let him beat people. He beat The Rock, he beat Triple H, he beat the Undertaker, he won a four corners match and a six man match with all those guys and Stone Cold. Rollins hasn't gotten impressive wins. He stole the Championship at Wrestlemania, escaped a cage at Extreme Rules, Kane interfered at Payback, Ambrose won by DQ at Elimination Chamber, he grabbed the title on a ladder at Money in the Bank and now a non-finish. This isn't like when somebody complains about Cena winning too much or Cesaro not winning enough. This is your WORLD CHAMPION. He HAS to beat somebody. | MoeGates
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| #18 Posted on 20.7.15 1022.58
Reposted on: 20.7.22 1029.02 | Originally posted by Kevintripod
I hated the ending of the main event and I didn't like how they had Undertaker coming off really heelish in his attack on Lesnar.
Taker confronted and attacked Lesnar for no good reason (Lesnar beat him clean at Wrestlemania).
When Lesnar fought back and began to get the upper hand in the fight, Undertaker immediately cheap-shots him with a kick to the groin.
And then I'm supposed to be impressed and awed by Undertaker destroying Lesnar when the only reason Taker was able to do that was because he gave a dirty cheap shot to Lesnar.
I thought the whole thing came off looking really bad with Takers heel-like unprovoked attack.
Hey, maybe they're booking Taker as the heel in the feud. That'd be interesting.
Originally posted by Mayhem
I thought the Undertaker return was fine, but my main concern is how weak the freakin' champion was made to look.
I've never understood this argument. It's a weasel heel champ. Don't you remember how weak Ric Flair was made to look? I don't think the guy got a clean PPV win as a heel in his entire career.
Originally posted by Tenken
Owens winning the US title was supposed to be how this whole thing ended (and heck, it might still be later on), but taking 2/3 matches and the title last night was what they needed to make sure they had a brand new main eventer.
Hmmm... maybe this tapout leads to KO challenging Cena to an I Quit match and taking the championship that way? Hey, a guy can dream, can't he?
(edited by MoeGates on 20.7.15 1129) | thecubsfan
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| #19 Posted on 20.7.15 1032.57
Reposted on: 20.7.22 1037.07 |
Don't you remember how weak Ric Flair was made to look? I don't think the guy got a clean PPV win as a heel in his entire career.
My impression is Ric Flair actually won a lot in the 70s and 80s and the memory of those wins is what allowed him to coast thru the 90s with a lot weaker wins. But I wasn't around in those days and haven't gone back to look so many someone needs to shoot me down.
(Also, Seth Rollins is not Ric Flair and is doomed if he has to be Ric Flair.) | JimBob Skeeter
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| #20 Posted on 20.7.15 1125.02
Reposted on: 20.7.22 1127.50 | | I was enjoying the heck out of the ppv until the end of Owens/Cena. I actually flicked off my tv. I also said: "They are ending it THAT WAY!?!?!?" when they faded to black. How the hell could I have enjoyed wrestling my entire life, and over the course of the past sixth months been SO pissed off at match endings? At least I have NXT for another 29 days now. |
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