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#1 Posted on 15.6.15 0217.25
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Well so much for the theory that Jon Snow is part Targaeryn and has a claim to the throne. It's the Game of Thrones, you win or you die. Samwell, Gilly, and baby left to go to the Citadel to check out the books there for some knowledge. I always hated that kid Ollie since he shot Ygritte in the back last season. They tricked Jon to go see someone who said he saw his uncle Benjen, but the Night's Watch took turns stabbing Jon Snow in the gut with Ollie delivering the final blow. Ugh.

I knew Jaime Lannister and Bronn couldn't get away from Dorne so easily without any punishment. Ellaria Sand gave Myrcella an awkward goodbye kiss in the lips and it turned out it was poison. Mycella's nose bled and she dies just as she tells Jaime she knows he is her father. Ellaria's nose bled, too, but she has an antidote.

Stannis thinks all is well because the snow melted after he burnt his daughter alive. He finds out that half the sellswords bailed out in disgust of his actions and took the horses with them. Someone tells him there's more bad news.... his wife hung herself. He walks to Winterfell anyways with the remaining troop. Sansa used that weapon she snuck while talking to Ramsey to escape her chamber. She makes her way up the tower and lights the candle but too bad Brienne and Podrick left before they saw the candle to go see what Stannis and his men were up to. Ramsey's girlfriend threatens Sansa with a bow and arrow but Reek actually knocked her down to her death before she can harm Sansa. When Ramsey came back Reek and Sansa jumped off the wall into some snow. Not known if they are ok or not.

Anyways, Stannis tells his men they will seige Winterfell at dawn. Too bad the Boltons and their horses came and attacked them. Looks like all of Stannis' men were slaughtered. Stannis gets injured and lays down next to a tree after taking out 2 remaining Bolton men. Brienne meets up with him and introduces herself and her relationship with Renly. She sentences Stannis to death but we don't really get to see her killing him. Well so much for killing his daughter to beat the Boltons.

Meryn Trant was whipping 3 young girls. The 3rd girl did not respond to pain. They didn't show her face so I assumed it was Arya. Meryn sends the first 2 girls away so he can punish the 3rd girl some more and punches her in the stomach. Sure enough the 3rd girl was Arya in disguise. She stabs Meryn to death as she tells him who she is. She goes back to Jaqen who is mad because Arya took a life and it's not the right one. A life has to be taken to make up for this, but instead of killing Arya he kills himself. She trips out and it turns out it wasn't Jaqen who died. Maybe she wasn't win Jaqen the whole time after all. All of the sudden Arya goes blind. Yikes.

We all know Cercei gets naked and does the walk of shame this season, because there were controversy trying to film the scene. Well this is episode 10, so she finally confesses to sleeping with Lancel but not to the other crimes. They cut her hair really short and make her walk naked while one of the ladies ring a bell and yell "Shame!" People threw things at her and spat at her. A couple people even got naked, too, which we did not need to see. She finally makes it to her destination and Dr. Frankenstein introduces her to Frankenstein The Mountain.

Tyrion, Daario, and Jorah discuss what happened the last episode. I guess the Harpies left them alone after Danny left. Grey Worm shows up and is mad he wasn't able to help them fight the Harpies. Daario and Jorah leaves to go look for Daenarys. Danny and Drogan is in the middle of no where and Drogan looks injured from the spears the Harpies threw at him. Dany wanders around looking for food and is surrounded by Dothraki on horseback. Tyrion is back in Meereen and is reunited with Varys.

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#2 Posted on 15.6.15 0249.48
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Wait, WHAT? Of all people, Jon freakin' Snow is killed? The guy they've spent five seasons slowly building around as the series' big hero?

I realize that anyone can die on GoT, but this....I don't get this. Snow's death essentially ends the entire Wall storyline for the viewers; the only one left up there that we care about now is Davos. (Plus I guess Giantsbane, the one giant and the one watchman who looks like Adrian Neville.) Is Davos going to be so directionless after Stannis' loss that he'll take the black and become our new face against the White Walkers? Will we get an early-season episode next year that has the White Walkers just overwhelming Castle Black and easily wiping out Thorne, Ollie and that whole sorry lot?

Having Brianne *just* miss Sansa's candle by mere seconds was pretty cliched. Also, is Stannis actually dead? I fail to see why Brianne would've spared him, though the fact that they didn't actually show the killing struck me as odd.

The chief nun is going to die a horrible, horrible, Mountain-sized death next season.

Was really hoping that the last line spoken this season would be 'Hodor.'
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#3 Posted on 15.6.15 0757.58
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Jon's death may not be a real death. At this point with Jon, you are were the books are. There has been speculation that Melisandra will resurrect him via a zombie, because she did something like that in the book. Yet, after seeing the Walkers do the exact same thing, it begs the question again is Melisandra in league with the Walkers or do her powers come from the same source.

Either way, it was one of the things I was praying they would change from the books. It just doesn't make sense. There are other Nightwatch agents who saw the Walkers in action that can easily tell the others, they are going to need the Wildlings. What is left out here is the Boltons threaten Jon's life and he uses it to get them into the fight, but this happens. Editing that out and just having Ollie betray him to Dickhead ex-captain and faceless Nightwatch guys is just stupid. What is left out of the books is Jon going to Hardhome with the Watch. By adding a bad ass scene and dropping a scene they have made it stupider. Mainly, because it was stupid to do it in the first place.

Good for Stannis' faceless sellsword dudes. Stannis deserved this fate. Melisandra deserved it more, but Game of Thrones really enjoys give awful people redemption while killing off the good ones. This season has been a lot of good, bad and WTF are they thinking. I hope next season they wake up and realize that doing shocking things may lead to press, but less fans. Yet, I doubt it.

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#4 Posted on 15.6.15 0850.16
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    Originally posted by lotjx
    Jon's death may not be a real death. At this point with Jon, you are were the books are. There has been speculation that Melisandra will resurrect him via a zombie, because she did something like that in the book. Yet, after seeing the Walkers do the exact same thing, it begs the question again is Melisandra in league with the Walkers or do her powers come from the same source.

    Either way, it was one of the things I was praying they would change from the books. It just doesn't make sense. There are other Nightwatch agents who saw the Walkers in action that can easily tell the others, they are going to need the Wildlings. What is left out here is the Boltons threaten Jon's life and he uses it to get them into the fight, but this happens. Editing that out and just having Ollie betray him to Dickhead ex-captain and faceless Nightwatch guys is just stupid. What is left out of the books is Jon going to Hardhome with the Watch. By adding a bad ass scene and dropping a scene they have made it stupider. Mainly, because it was stupid to do it in the first place.

    Good for Stannis' faceless sellsword dudes. Stannis deserved this fate. Melisandra deserved it more, but Game of Thrones really enjoys give awful people redemption while killing off the good ones. This season has been a lot of good, bad and WTF are they thinking. I hope next season they wake up and realize that doing shocking things may lead to press, but less fans. Yet, I doubt it.

    (edited by lotjx on 15.6.15 0759)


Both Director David Nutter and Kit Harington are telling all interviewers that Jon Snow is dead. No coming back.
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#5 Posted on 15.6.15 0928.06
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    Originally posted by oudom
    Both Director David Nutter and Kit Harington are telling all interviewers that Jon Snow is dead. No coming back.
what are they supposed to say? "You know how upset all of you are that Jon is dead? Well turn those frowns upside down, because HE AIN'T DEAD Y'ALL!!"

While watching, I felt like a Dallas "what a crazy dream" sequence was in play. Too much crazy shit happened for it to all be real.
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#6 Posted on 15.6.15 1017.10
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    Originally posted by oudom
    A life has to be taken to make up for this, but instead of killing Arya he kills himself. She trips out and it turns out it wasn't Jaqen who died. Maybe she wasn't win Jaqen the whole time after all. All of the sudden Arya goes blind. Yikes.

She was never with Jaqen. She was with a man. A person with Jaqen's face ingested poison, but now that person has Arya's face, so Arya has the poison and Jaqen doesn't. Or something. In any event, I contend this whole thing was one big test for Arya. Jaqen knew that Meryn Trant was on his way, and he sent Arya out on a decoy mission of sorts to see how she'd react. All I know for sure is that she failed by identifying herself as Arya Stark. This whole storyline is very reminiscent of Lost, and I love it.


    I hope next season they wake up and realize that doing shocking things may lead to press, but less fans. Yet, I doubt it.

There are twenty episodes left. I think they'll be fine.

As far as Jon Snow's death not sticking goes, after the episode, I caught up with all of the theories out there that spawned out of the book's version of the event. If the books, show, or both, steer away from the type of resolution in those theories simply because fans predicted it, that would be a grand disappointment.

So, are book readers and non-book readers finally on the same page? Please?

The most disappointing thing from this episode is the cruel tease of learning what happened to Benjen Stark.

Forgot to say that Lena Headey was incredible in this episode.

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#7 Posted on 15.6.15 1501.49
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    Originally posted by Mr Shh
    So, are book readers and non-book readers finally on the same page? Please?



Kinda, but not really. The show's storylines are actually more accelerated or downright different in most cases.

The Wall: Book Jon Snow is also stabbed and left for dead. Book Sam is in Oldtown studying to be a Maester and Book Gilly is with him. Gilly's baby and Mance Raider's wildling prince are exchanged so Melissandre can't burn Mance Raider's prince as kingsblood. Book Alliser Throne is out ranging and not at Castle Black when Jon gets Caesared.

Dorne: Book Doran has a daughter, Arianne, whom the show has conflated with Ellaria. Book Ellaria and the Sand Snakes have little to no role. Book Bronn and Book Jaime aren't in Dorne, instead it's a Kingsguard knight called Arys Oakheart. Arianne has a complex plan to try to overthrow Prince Doran, whom she thinks is not bloodthirsty enough, but eventually everyone winds up on the same page and Arianne is sent to King's Landing as Oberyn's replacement on the Small Council. Book Myrcella is alive (but disfigured) and Book Trystane is a non-factor, because Arianne is the heir to Dorne, and Doran has another son (Quentyn).

In the North: Book Stannis, Shireen, and Selyse are all alive. Stannis is mired in a blizzard, but Selyse and Shireen are at Castle Black. The book Boltons are in a sham wedding scam proclaiming a common girl as Arya Stark (not Sansa) and marrying her off to Ramsey to consolidate their claim to the North. Book Reek has escaped and made his way to Stannis's camp. Also in Stannis's camp is Theon's sister Asha (Yara in the show).

Braavos: This storyline is more or less running parallel to the show. Book Arya does manage to kill a Lannister henchman, but it isn't Meryn Trant. For taking an unauthorized life, she is blinded, but the order of events is different. The book is ahead of the show here, so I won't spoil any more.

King's Landing: This storyline most closely follows the books, so we're mostly good here. Book Margaery is no longer under arrest of the Faith, and Book Loras is out fighting a war. The tension between the Lannisters and Tyrells is much more subtle since Book Loras is Mace Tyrell's third son, and therefore not his heir.

Meereen: Book Tyrion hasn't reached Meereen yet, but Book Dany has already taken flight and landed in the midst of the Dothraki. The order of events is slightly askew, but the end results aren't particularly different. Book Jorah doesn't have greyscale, Book Hizdahr is alive, so is Book Selmy, and there's no romance between Grey Worm and Book Missandei, because Book Missandei is ten years old. Book Varys's whereabouts are (mostly) unknown, but there's little chance he would be in Meereen.

Sansa, Baelish, Brienne, and the rest: So, Book Sansa and Book Petyr are still in the Vale. Book Sansa's identity is known to very few, and she is making eyes at Harry Hardying, the heir to the Vale. Book Baelish is Lord Protector of the Vale, but his position is tenuous at best. Book Brienne is aligned with Lady Stoneheart, a character that the show omitted, and they have laid a trap for Book Jaime, who is out in the Riverlands, attempting to bring peace to the region and having moral dilemmas. Book Brienne is nowhere near Book Stannis or Book Sansa.

So there's that.

I want to say that the last two episodes of Game of Thrones have been utter garbage. I get that we're in a universe where Ice Zombies exist, but if your plotlines exist only for the sake of having plotlines, and follow no internal logic, then I find that to be insipid and incompetent writing. I don't think I've been more disappointed in the show at any other point during its run.

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#8 Posted on 15.6.15 2257.15
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Figure that Jon isn't dead or will be brought back my Melisandre. Watching some earlier stuff this year, when Stannis asks her who she serves she says "My Lord" while staring at Jon Snow. Then she tries to rape Jon to get a shadow baby for some reason she never explains.

She's back at the castle to "serve" him now, having learned from Thoros that it can be done. Way too many hints for this to be the end of Jon Snow. My mind wonders if she actually orchestrated the doom of Stannis so she could be free to return, but that may be taking it too far. Then again, she's a religious nut so who knows. And just telling Stannis after convincing him to off his brother and burn people left and right would likely end with her death.

The whole Briene story sucks compared to the books. Wish they would have stuck to that. But overall the season ended so much stronger than it began.

Purple Mountain made me laugh.
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#9 Posted on 16.6.15 0749.49
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It was kind of interesting to see Stannis totally pay for his actions - both in his army abandoning him in droves (as I said last week, who is going to stand by this guy after he burns his daughter alive?), and in losing the battle that he insisted on fighting over the objections of Davos. And there was a pretty great moment when Melisandre kind of had an 'oh, shit, I've been REALLY wrong about all of this' look on her face.

I'll eat my hat if this is the last we see of Jon Snow. ("Whoo-hoo-hoo, look who knows so much. It just so happens that your friend here is only MOSTLY dead.")

    Originally posted by used2bcool
    I want to say that the last two episodes of Game of Thrones have been utter garbage.


Yeah, I agree. It feels a little bit like a bait and switch, with four relatively strong seasons petering out into whatever this season is supposed to be. Frankly, I was really looking forward to the finalé if only it meant an end to the show for 41 weeks - and maybe they can figure out what story they're actually trying to tell and realize that shock for the sake of shock is pretty boring.
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#10 Posted on 16.6.15 1458.37
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Melisandre had Stannis burn Shireen, but instead of the power going to a victory at Winterfell, Melisandre sort of "kept" the magic and is going to use it to raise Jon. He has a bigger destiny than being a Nights Watchman, so he has been freed from his vow by the only means: death.

Maester Amon to Jon: Kill the boy so the man may live.

Sam: (Of Jon) He always comes back.

If you want to know a lot more about why this theory is the truth, Google "R+L=J". It's a huge spoiler but it explains why this whole thing is necessary.
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#11 Posted on 17.6.15 0229.06
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I loved Cersei's walk of shame. Great emoting and camera work.
She started out still feelin superior, despite being naked and shamed. The crowd seems careful..then they turn wild as they realize she can't fight back. The flasher and such are what I figure would haen in real life too. Her fear and despair grew and grew. Very eell done.
And yet at the end...she might still be the same shrew who now has a new reason to get back at everyone.

Alao loved Melissandre's almost panic on realizimg her sacriffice backfired. Time to leave and find another horse to bet on.

I see why people disliked the episodes oe even this season. The deaths and swerves are everywhere.
But i enjoyed it a lot. We are finally getting somewhere.
The time of waiting is over. Winter is here.
It's do or die-and then do for the few remaining players.


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#12 Posted on 17.6.15 0757.37
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