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#1 Posted on 7.4.15 0822.57
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At least they kept Cole off TV!

Lots of wrestling on this wrestling show. And some of it was good, too! Neville and Cody had really nice showings. The latter's won't do anything in the long run; let's hope the former's won't be forgotten next week.

Reigns was getting a lot of love from this hot crowd.

It's a new day for the New Day, and I kinda like it.

Lots of positives, but any show with that much Kane and Big Show can never be a winner.

ETA...Seth Rollins Title Side Plate Watch 2015: still has the generic plates.

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#2 Posted on 7.4.15 0852.32
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    Originally posted by Mr Shh

    Lots of positives, but any show with that much Kane and Big Show can never be a winner.


I mean, I don't know what anyone can really add to that. Not that that will shut me up. There was some good, fresh stuff happening on this show, but it was all scattered around the tentpoles of stuff we've seen about a billion times. It turns out that I really like the Cena Open. John Cena wrestling all the fresh, young faces of WWE for about 10-15 minutes every week is great, even if he's never going to lose (which leads me to the aside of wondering who can ever, believably, take this belt off of Cena). Also, I really liked at the beginning of the show, when they announced the third man in contention for a title shot was the Ryback. I have never heard a crowd sound so legitimately confused in my life.

[Adrian] Neville had a superb match against Rollins, which was doubly exciting just because it was something we hadn't seen before. Neville is a guy who I've actually never seen have a bad match against anyone, not even Titus O'Neil. I loved JBL saying Adrian and then immediately getting shouted out on his headset. For the record, just calling him Neville is awful. If they wanted to get rid of his first name, they should have called him something else entirely.
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#3 Posted on 7.4.15 0852.35
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BRAD MADDOX. Save us, Brad. Bring us nnnnnjjjjjjjustice.

Just wanted to get out in front of the observation that Stephanie and HHH "go on vacation" the week after a huge, post-Mania ratings spike and the week that Raw runs against the NCAA Tournamanet final, so basically, they go off TV on a week where ratings are a pretty solid lock to be down from the previous week. (I can only imagine the conflicted feelings of HHH, who also took off last week, presumably to avoid the hostile post-WM crowd under the guise of "selling" the Rousey throw, and missed out on record ratings.)

They are front-loading these post-WM shows with good, fun matches in the first hour and change and death marches for the rest of the show, capped by dreadful main events. Maybe don't ever book shows in which all five of the most over acts - that would be Daniel Bryan, Brock Lesnar, Lana, Dolph Ziggler and Dean Ambrose since it appears that they may not realize it - don't appear.

    Originally posted by Mr Shh
    Lots of positives, but any show with that much Kane and Big Show can never be a winner.
Yup. No one in charge will admit it, of course, but The Authority has been the clear, obvious, unvoidable, omnipresent albatross on this show for the entire last year. I'm not hitting Rollins with any of that, but this is an entire year (more!) of shows starting with some variation of The Authority in the ring, building to some variation of The Authority cackling back stage and ending with The Authority coming out and ruining a match. No more Kane. No more Big Show. No more Stephanie. No more HHH. I can be talked out of saying no more J&J because I love them as much as everybody else, but even someone as insanely talented as Rollins is going to lose his shine if we're getting another straight year of Kane and J&J run-ins to end every Rollins match.
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#4 Posted on 7.4.15 0907.35
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I thought Show looked lively in his match. The baseball slide was impressive. The bouncing rope choke was impressive. I don't like this Authority roster, but Show works well when he's used well. And, at least last night, he was.

But the match reminded me that Reigns, for all his toughness, doesn't work like a powerhouse. The spear isn't a move that takes strength; Goldberg used it to set up his finisher, and Edge wasn't sold as a strong guy. There's Rhyno, yes, and how odd that a WWE guy and an NXT guy use the same finisher.

Anyway, the Superman punch seems to have that shotgun gesture that befits a finisher. But Show has the WMD, and Barrett has his kinda-sort similar Bull Hammer. I think a distinct power move could help Reigns win us over. He could maybe convert the spear to the Pounce. The audience sure sounded like they were behind him last night.

Neville did look good, and was this the first reversal of Rollins's bucklebomb?

Sheamus was wonderful. I like that new entrance and that new music. He played the weasel bully just right.

Miz/Mizdow is old and boring, and it should have ended already. Take back your name and ring gear, already, Damien.
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#5 Posted on 7.4.15 0907.59
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I might be alone in thinking this, but the Miz/Mizdow match was one of the worst RAW matches I've seen in a while.

Re: Kane ... I'm hoping they're building to him putting the mask back on for one last run before he hangs it up.
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#6 Posted on 7.4.15 1005.27
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I missed the first hour and wish I'd seen Neville/Rollins.

One of the last lines of the night, after Reigns soared over the ropes to the outside (which was pretty great) - Booker asking, "Have you ever seen a flying Samoan?"

How quickly they forget...
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#7 Posted on 7.4.15 1023.30
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So, did they solve The Great Danial Bryan Dilemma?

He gets to hold a title while being the main attraction of Smackdown and if they do this enough fans won't expect him on Raw therefore there will be little reason to chant his name. It's a show and title few people care about, so it is kind of like he doesn't really exist which may or may not be the point, but a lot of guys would kill for that exact same spot. It is an interesting strategy.

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#8 Posted on 7.4.15 1046.27
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    Originally posted by Mr Shh

    ETA...Seth Rollins Title Side Plate Watch 2015: still has the generic plates.



I could be wrong here, I don't particularly care to go back and check, but I think he had the custom side plates when he came out at the end of the show. I thought that was weird, because he definitely had the generic ones at the beginning of the show.

I have a wonderful image of a UPS guy frantically running into the arena screaming "THEY'RE HERE, MY LORD!" and presenting them to him on one knee, trying not to make eye contact with them, like an offering to an exalted God among men.
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#9 Posted on 7.4.15 1100.25
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    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Hopefully WWE will invite us to use the hashtag #FreeApril for the next Network giveaway.


YES YES YES YES #FreeApril #ThankYouAJ
Ape's all-smiles farewell from the desk was a triumphant epilogue to her year-long gritted teeth push.

What is to be said about Reigns/Big Show again, with another angle to set-up a PPV stip match as a kicker. That'll play real well in Chicago.

Bray's spookycorner for cryptic challenges is a touch toothless in the wake of his Underspanking. My guess was he was talking about Reigns to give him the next guy to punch after Show while keeping him away from Rollins.

Rollins/Neville should've never been booked in the first place. If it was, they should've done the DQ they gave to Kane. If Rollins had to win under a "champions actually win strong now" mandate, he shouldn't have laid him out after the match. I don't have exceedingly high expectations for Neville -- call me to arrange my stroke if they beat Zayn or Balor in the "rookie effort" match on their second day -- but IMO it keeps the jury out on the handling of the NXT blue chip class. Let's return to these pages if Charlotte (herself a previous Raw red flag) wins the Kanevitational women's battle royal as an "AJ's body weight displacement" surprise next week.

Miz/Mizdow was built up for four months and then their first meeting was at 10:40 on Raw with an hour's notice. OK.

Speaking of months in the making, HEEL NEW DAY. At last. That promo was amazing. Angry New Day as a serious heel group (without the overt militant black group aspect) has more potential, but a delusional New Day trying to stay positive on the verge of snapping has a tantalizing amount of entertainment value.

    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely
    Maybe don't ever book shows in which all five of the most over acts - that would be Daniel Bryan, Brock Lesnar, Lana, Dolph Ziggler and Dean Ambrose since it appears that they may not realize it - don't appear.


It was so conspicuous that I thought they may have sent that crew and pre-tape Bray to Europe early? But apparently not if the IC group is booked for a Smackdown tag. I guess it could just be that ...

    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    He gets to hold a title while being the main attraction of Smackdown and if they do this enough fans won't expect him on Raw therefore there will be little reason to chant his name. It's a show and title few people care about, so it is kind of like he doesn't really exist which may or may not be the point, but a lot of guys would kill for that exact same spot. It is an interesting strategy.


... right. The Franklin Richards pocket universe where Bryan is going to be the star of Smackdown defending the IC title.

    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely
    No one in charge will admit it, of course, but The Authority has been the clear, obvious, unvoidable, omnipresent albatross on this show for the entire last year.


Aside from the obvious, I'm still not seeing a reason the Authority shouldn't still be selling their Survivor Series ouster. Honestly, the Authority ran its course after Evolution dropped its second match to the Shield. But Survivor Series was a perfect, if not conclusion, at least long-term break of the status quo. Orton coming back solely focused on Rollins would've only made that better. Triple H could've come back as a revenge-minded civilian to work Sting, and now that that's all said and done, I'm not sure we even needed that to begin with. I might go so far as to argue that it would've been bestforbusiness if HHH and Stephanie had been gone this entire time before showing up at Wrestlemania making an excuse to say hello for the special occasion and then shooting the angle with the Rock and Rousling connection. And if they needed to get back in control post-WM for storyline purposes that as of yet still don't exist, Rollins as the last scavenger of the Authority skeleton crew stealing the title at Mania could've been his leveraging point.

Reality is diametrically opposed to that interpretation -- can u imagine Hunter and Stephanie accumulating heat for the next 11 months to set them up as Mania co-headliners in, allegedly, separate (!) matches with Rock and Rousey. Fancy that. I think the mixed tag is a unique attraction; even if the non-Goofus Gallant of wrestling companies would use that spot to give rub to female wrestlers, Vince and Trump showed that the McMahons have some box office equity in the right dynamic, and Rousey fucking up Stephanie might be that. (The comparisons to the Cole/Lawler layout can wait a year.) No idea what reason there'd ever be to book Rock vs. Triple H in a singles again, however, short of the old idea about Vince's representative for control of the company. Now that they have Lesnar for 3 more Wrestlemanias, there's no real pressing need to do the BRock match next year. But getting so caught up in your "the Authority are massive draws!" self-fulfilling prophecy that you're going to rely on them to set the indoor attendance record would be an impressive act of deluding oneself.
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#10 Posted on 7.4.15 1100.47
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If you Google Seth Rollins custom side plates you can find a picture of them. Not sure if they were in by the end of Raw but they do exist.
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#11 Posted on 7.4.15 1110.19
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I'm 90% sure Rollins had the custom sideplates on the belt at one point in the show. I remember seeing them and saying tom myself "Seth Rollins has the custom sideplates on the belt." If it's true that he also appeared with the generic sideplates on the belt, then we're back to having seriously consider this "There Are Two Seths Rollins" theory that is taking the internet by storm.
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#12 Posted on 7.4.15 1113.53
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Speaking of SmackDown, it's moving to USA. (hollywoodreporter.com)
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#13 Posted on 7.4.15 1114.45
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Best angle of the new plates from the Raw photoset. (wwe.com)
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#14 Posted on 7.4.15 1231.05
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I didn't mind Neville/Rollins, mostly because it's great to see champions winning matches on Raw. I don't think we've seen a decent non-title match with the World Champion since Orton beat Goldust.

I don't think this will hurt Neville too much, as it's not uncommon for new guys to get beat by top tier talent (Benoit to HHH, Cena to Angle, etc.). Still, it did add some legitimacy to the idea that Vince and HHH are in a bit of a cold war with each other. Vince seems to like NXT, but probably really wants to make sure it's not competition to the main roster, and to make sure it stays a lowly minor league like Dubbya-See-Dubbya.

Really felt like they were taking a break this week and took the least interesting way to set up Orton vs Rollins, which was already a natural story, with Orton pinning Rollins the night he won the belt.

Of course, they also hotshotted Miz vs Mizdow, which I'm sure they will also do at Extreme Rules, and would have been a better match with more time there. Who's plotting these stories out? Why does Goldust vs Stardust happen at Fast Lane? This is stupid.

Hope Bray Wyatt's picking a feud with someone he can beat.

    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Aside from the obvious, I'm still not seeing a reason the Authority shouldn't still be selling their Survivor Series ouster. Honestly, the Authority ran its course after Evolution dropped its second match to the Shield. But Survivor Series was a perfect, if not conclusion, at least long-term break of the status quo. Orton coming back solely focused on Rollins would've only made that better. Triple H could've come back as a revenge-minded civilian to work Sting, and now that that's all said and done, I'm not sure we even needed that to begin with. I might go so far as to argue that it would've been bestforbusiness if HHH and Stephanie had been gone this entire time before showing up at Wrestlemania making an excuse to say hello for the special occasion and then shooting the angle with the Rock and Rousling connection. And if they needed to get back in control post-WM for storyline purposes that as of yet still don't exist, Rollins as the last scavenger of the Authority skeleton crew stealing the title at Mania could've been his leveraging point.


Yeah, this is pretty infuriating, actually. I realize WWE is booked week-to-week, but there's really no reason why the Survivor Series match shouldn't have stood. Reigns/Brock required no Authority involvement, HHH/Sting could have been HHH getting revenge for Sting ending it, and the show as a whole may have been better with Rollins amassing his own heel faction with a covert assist from HHH/Steph.

Instead, we get more Authority simply because they don't want to try anything else because it would mean they don't get to be the stars of the show.
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#15 Posted on 7.4.15 1237.31
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Speaking of SmackDown!, did no one see (the replay on RAW) of Sheamus vs. Bryan where D-Bry bled from the forehead and needed stitches? Maybe have him sell that/recover for real for at least 1/2 a week off TV...
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#16 Posted on 7.4.15 1301.01
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    Originally posted by SKLOKAZOID
    I didn't mind Neville/Rollins, mostly because it's great to see champions winning matches on Raw.

    I don't think this will hurt Neville too much, as it's not uncommon for new guys to get beat by top tier talent (Benoit to HHH, Cena to Angle, etc.).
Agreed, though this is why I wanted it to be Cena/Neville last week instead. Post-WM crowd backs Neville over Cena, Cena gets to play with NXT toys, Cena gets to give Neville the rub instead of beat him up after. Still, Rollins/Neville was very good (and Cena/Stardust was plenty fun too) and Neville's rolling handsprings out of the corner continues to be extraordinarly cool, like prime RVD moving at triple speed.

    Originally posted by SKLOKAZOID
    Who's plotting these stories out?
Nobody.

    Originally posted by SKLOKAZOID
    Hope Bray Wyatt's picking a feud with someone he can beat.
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#17 Posted on 7.4.15 1905.03
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    Originally posted by Mayhem

    I might be alone in thinking this, but the Miz/Mizdow match was one of the worst RAW matches I've seen in a while.


The Divas match earlier was pretty bad to me, but yes it was not good. And if Mizdow is fired as JBL kept saying, why is he still on the show? And why is he the only Superstar(c) that requires another job to justify his existence in the WWE Universe(c)?
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#18 Posted on 7.4.15 2013.12
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That is a really good point.
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#19 Posted on 7.4.15 2030.24
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Ratings tank, so expect more HHH/Steph next week to just ok ratings. Rollins as champ would be good if the albatross of the Authority was not around. Miz beating Sandow is way too soon and stupid. Cena's open will be interesting til he has beaten most of the mid-card and thus wrecking any future potential challengers to him. Orton/Rollins is at least a fresh main event.
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#20 Posted on 7.4.15 2253.39
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John Cena wins are much more tolerable when you mute your tv's volume and play Max Landis' version of Cena's theme immediately. I would of had Bryan take on different challengers each week since he and the "supposed" second most important title in the company need the buildup more, but whatever.

The Diva skit with Kane was way less intolerable than the Diva match previous. There really should be a clear separation of women that only appear on Total Divas and the ones who primarily work RAW but moonlight on the show.

Seth and Neville was fine. I just wish that the beatdown at the end at least started a mini-feud. If Neville just ends up primarily working Superstars or whatever that will confirm Vince's brain parasite right?
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