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#81 Posted on 30.3.15 1819.34
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I think the Rock needs some more credit for hosting SNL in New York into the wee hours, then jetting off to CA to be part of the show.
That segment was so draggy- it was so clear they were killing time for the sun to go down.

I found DX vs. NWO to be pretty historic. All those guys in the ring at once felt like a moment, even if they're all old now. X-Pac could have been with either group. Would have been funny to show him conflicted.

Like so many have said, that was the best ending they could have done. Avoided a Reigns victory nobody wanted, avoided a Lesnar loss nobody wanted, and starts new feuds.

Pretty good show.
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#82 Posted on 30.3.15 1857.46
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Something that occurred to me; while it's unusual for a heel to walk out of Wrestlemania with the helt (3 in 31 times, I think someone said?), the basic finish of the main event didn't seem too different from WM30. A third, smaller wrestler interjects himself into the title match between two big guys and defeats the Royal Rumble winner instead of the champion himself. Granted, Rollins didn't bother wrestling the entire main event, he showed up for a couple Curb Stomps and then walked out with the belt, but the finish was still the same.
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#83 Posted on 30.3.15 2203.02
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    Originally posted by Blind_Guardian
    Something that occurred to me; while it's unusual for a heel to walk out of Wrestlemania with the helt (3 in 31 times, I think someone said?), the basic finish of the main event didn't seem too different from WM30. A third, smaller wrestler interjects himself into the title match between two big guys and defeats the Royal Rumble winner instead of the champion himself. Granted, Rollins didn't bother wrestling the entire main event, he showed up for a couple Curb Stomps and then walked out with the belt, but the finish was still the same.


Also, both Rollins and Bryan had to wrestle earlier in the night.

Unless I'm missing someone, Rollins is the fourth heel to walk out of WrestleMania champion in the last match (this isn't counting Randy Orton over HHH/Cena at WM24 since Taker beat Edge at the end of the night):

- HHH (WrestleMania 16)
- Austin (WrestleMania 17)
- The Miz (WrestleMania 27)
- Seth Rollins (WrestleMania 31)
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#84 Posted on 31.3.15 0116.55
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#85 Posted on 31.3.15 0124.17
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Please do not engage the contrarian.
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#86 Posted on 31.3.15 0129.03
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    Originally posted by SKLOKAZOID


    Unless I'm missing someone, Rollins is the fourth heel to walk out of WrestleMania champion in the last match (this isn't counting Randy Orton over HHH/Cena at WM24 since Taker beat Edge at the end of the night):

    - HHH (WrestleMania 16)
    - Austin (WrestleMania 17)
    - The Miz (WrestleMania 27)
    - Seth Rollins (WrestleMania 31)


I feel as if HHH-Wrestlemania 19 needs to be on the list of The Days Evil Won, even though it wasn't the last match, nor for the WWE title. Of all of the "pedigrees back to the midcard", that one will always live in infamy.

(The midcard's Jericho-Wrestlemania 26, however, does not belong on the list except as a footnote.)
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#87 Posted on 31.3.15 0839.53
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    Originally posted by Dionysus
      Originally posted by SKLOKAZOID


      Unless I'm missing someone, Rollins is the fourth heel to walk out of WrestleMania champion in the last match (this isn't counting Randy Orton over HHH/Cena at WM24 since Taker beat Edge at the end of the night):

      - HHH (WrestleMania 16)
      - Austin (WrestleMania 17)
      - The Miz (WrestleMania 27)
      - Seth Rollins (WrestleMania 31)


    I feel as if HHH-Wrestlemania 19 needs to be on the list of The Days Evil Won, even though it wasn't the last match, nor for the WWE title. Of all of the "pedigrees back to the midcard", that one will always live in infamy.

    (The midcard's Jericho-Wrestlemania 26, however, does not belong on the list except as a footnote.)


I will co-sign this. It is also a bit irritating in the Sting/HHH angle Booker T was used, but did not get involved in that match when everyone was. If he superkicked HHH or HBK it would have made up a little for that awful WM X-9 match.
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#88 Posted on 31.3.15 1103.52
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    Originally posted by SKLOKAZOID
    Unless I'm missing someone, Rollins is the fourth heel to walk out of WrestleMania champion in the last match (this isn't counting Randy Orton over HHH/Cena at WM24 since Taker beat Edge at the end of the night):

    - HHH (WrestleMania 16)
    - Austin (WrestleMania 17)
    - The Miz (WrestleMania 27)
    - Seth Rollins (WrestleMania 31)


Hmmm... point well-taken. I guess I forgot the case of Austin at X-7, likely because: 1) his home state crowd was still cheering the hell out of him; 2) he jumped back and forth between heel and face that year (brief face turn before the Invasion PPV, heel turn again at the Invasion PPV, and then another face turn just after Survivor Series) that he must've come down with a case of Big Show/Lex Luger Syndrome; and 3) strictly on a personal note, I thought it was unnecessary and pointless. But it's not a subjective standard, it's an objective standard, so I stand corrected. Good call. :)
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#89 Posted on 31.3.15 1317.06
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    Originally posted by lotjx
      Originally posted by Dionysus
        Originally posted by SKLOKAZOID


        Unless I'm missing someone, Rollins is the fourth heel to walk out of WrestleMania champion in the last match (this isn't counting Randy Orton over HHH/Cena at WM24 since Taker beat Edge at the end of the night):

        - HHH (WrestleMania 16)
        - Austin (WrestleMania 17)
        - The Miz (WrestleMania 27)
        - Seth Rollins (WrestleMania 31)


      I feel as if HHH-Wrestlemania 19 needs to be on the list of The Days Evil Won, even though it wasn't the last match, nor for the WWE title. Of all of the "pedigrees back to the midcard", that one will always live in infamy.

      (The midcard's Jericho-Wrestlemania 26, however, does not belong on the list except as a footnote.)


    I will co-sign this. It is also a bit irritating in the Sting/HHH angle Booker T was used, but did not get involved in that match when everyone was. If he superkicked HHH or HBK it would have made up a little for that awful WM X-9 match.


Probably because they would have had to acknowledge that time that Booker T was in the nWo.
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#90 Posted on 2.4.15 1105.50
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Is this what we wanted? Is this what we bitter, jaded monsters truly wanted?

    Originally posted by Dave Meltzer
    The decision to go with Rollins was not made at the last minute, although few were aware of it. The impression we have is that Lesnar was fully appraised of the plan for Rollins to win at WrestleMania when he was finalizing his contract. Rollins found out that he was winning late in the show. The last 45 seconds of the match and that he was getting the title was said to be told to Rollins right at the start of the Rock & Ronda Rousey angle.

    I don’t know when Reigns was told that he wasn’t winning, past the point that it appeared nobody in his family knew. His father, Leati Anoa’i (better known as Sika Anoa’i of the Wild Samoans tag team) was so furious at the finish that later that night there was nearly a bad scene. It appears none of the other family members knew either and all were unhappy, some more than others. According to one person in WWE, they said, “Sika forgot this business is not real life, and was legit pissed at the finish and looking to start a war. A lot of the younger (family members) were rallying around Sika, but the other 45 or 50 of them talked some reason.”


Do I admit to enjoying this story? I can ... and I will.
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#91 Posted on 2.4.15 1150.07
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Lesnar announced his new contract just over a week ago. So that's, what, five days in which they didn't tell Rollins? The fewer people who knew, the less likelihood of word getting out. But shouldn't the guy capping the biggest show of the year get some notion, especially when he thinks his night is over after he loses to Orton?

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#92 Posted on 2.4.15 1155.51
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Wow, David Metzler is getting pretty literal there with that read of "not made at the last minute." Gotta think Brock's contract was only finalized shortly before it was announced, so I'd say Rollins winning was definitely made in the figurative last minute. I assume Rollins not being told until the literal last hour was a "test" for him, and Reigns presumably not knowing until the show started himself would be viewed as an even bigger "test" for him (and maybe adds some more context to Rollins thanking Reigns during the pin). Anyway, my point is, I'm giving Philadelphia credit for the fixed finish much like Pittsburgh gets credit for fixing last year's finish, and it's clear that Pennsylvania - home of key pro wrestling territories like Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Imoud and Intercourse - is truly the seat of power for American pro wrestling in the 21st Century.

Ball's in your court stop HHH/Rock from happening at XXXII, Scranton Wilkes-Barre.

I would, of course, never in a million years trust this company to do it in an inoffensive way, but this makes me want them to kayfabe Joe in as a member of the extended Anoa'i family sent to ignite tensions and start Sika's War.
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#93 Posted on 2.4.15 1216.46
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Those weeks where Roman Reigns was a secondary character in the Rollins/Orton feud make sense now.
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#94 Posted on 2.4.15 1234.32
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Meltzer's breakdown of the attendance of WrestleMania 31 is also pretty interesting. He claims it's almost 10,000 less than what was announced (which could be true, as there were a lot of patches of red in the upper deck). Of course it's easy to dismiss WWE's number, but it's getting really absurd and if they claim 100,000 when they could barely legitimately sell 67,000-75,000.

Of course, WWE is going to claim they broke the NCAA record at AT&T Stadium even if there's 20 fans in dead WWE wrestler costumes on-camera the entire show.
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#95 Posted on 2.4.15 1243.48
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    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely
    Wow, David Metzler is getting pretty literal there with that read of "not made at the last minute." Gotta think Brock's contract was only finalized shortly before it was announced, so I'd say Rollins winning was definitely made in the figurative last minute. I assume Rollins not being told until the literal last hour was a "test" for him, and Reigns presumably not knowing until the show started himself would be viewed as an even bigger "test" for him (and maybe adds some more context to Rollins thanking Reigns during the pin). Anyway, my point is, I'm giving Philadelphia credit for the fixed finish much like Pittsburgh gets credit for fixing last year's finish, and it's clear that Pennsylvania - home of key pro wrestling territories like Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Imoud and Intercourse - is truly the seat of power for American pro wrestling in the 21st Century.

    Ball's in your court stop HHH/Rock from happening at XXXII, Scranton Wilkes-Barre.

    I would, of course, never in a million years trust this company to do it in an inoffensive way, but this makes me want them to kayfabe Joe in as a member of the extended Anoa'i family sent to ignite tensions and start Sika's War.


Philly is getting passed up for the shinny new Minnesota building. Why anyone would willing go to Minnesota is beyond me. I think what should be done is a collection for PA fans, so they can have a $25 Visa Gift for saving Wrestlemania again. If the Rumble happened in LA or Miami, half the fans would show up late and the others would have left early. Thus we would have had a Batista title run and no break up of Shield. So, yeah...you are welcome.
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#96 Posted on 2.4.15 1335.37
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    Originally posted by lotjx
    Why anyone would willing go to Minnesota is beyond me.


I know one person from Minnesota who runs an online message board...
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#97 Posted on 2.4.15 1338.02
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    Originally posted by lotjx

    Why anyone would willing go to Minnesota is beyond me.



Because, as one Mr. Frosty E. Freeze will attest to:

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#98 Posted on 2.4.15 1536.39
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    Originally posted by SKLOKAZOID
    Meltzer's breakdown of the attendance of WrestleMania 31 is also pretty interesting. He claims it's almost 10,000 less than what was announced (which could be true, as there were a lot of patches of red in the upper deck). Of course it's easy to dismiss WWE's number, but it's getting really absurd and if they claim 100,000 when they could barely legitimately sell 67,000-75,000.

    Of course, WWE is going to claim they broke the NCAA record at AT&T Stadium even if there's 20 fans in dead WWE wrestler costumes on-camera the entire show.


You'd think the stadium would have its own records and would be the ones scanning tickets.
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#99 Posted on 2.4.15 1611.06
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The beating Reigns took was really something you don't see much in today's WWE. If they could find a way to incorporate that into his character he might have an easier time getting over with the crowd. More mean and nasty Mick Foley and less thumbs up Santa loving Mick Foley. (In no way do I mean for him to become Mick Foley, but you know, it's all I got.) The WWE should let these guys get down and dirty once in awhile. It's okay to roll around in the gutter.

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#100 Posted on 2.4.15 1619.54
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    Originally posted by Horsemen4ever
    You'd think the stadium would have its own records and would be the ones scanning tickets.


There's definitely actual records, but for whatever reason, I never see them actually publicized and we usually have to rely on Dave Meltzer for that kind of stuff.

    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    The beating Reigns took was really something you don't see much in today's WWE. If they could find a way to incorporate that into his character he might have an easier time getting over with the crowd. More mean and nasty Mick Foley and less thumbs up Santa loving Mick Foley. (In no way do I mean for him to become Mick Foley, but you know, it's all I got.) The WWE should let these guys get down and dirty once in awhile. It's okay to roll around in the gutter.


Yeah, I actually liked the way Roman handled the Brock match. I don't know how you do that character in every non-Brock match, though.

For once, Reigns had a facial expression and came across as a human being and I could understand and relate to where he was coming from, which is what he's needed for a while. "Silent and intense" didn't work for me.

But Reigns laughing off all of Brock's offense that killed Cena while figure out a way to come back and beat him was great for his end of the story. It was handled "realistically" and came off well for him. That has to have been the plan for the match all along, kicking out of everything Brock threw at him then finding a way to come back. The spears still weren't entirely believable, but everything else worked.

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