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#1 Posted on 11.2.15 2143.47
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This was an interesting show. A good show, although not as good as (R)Evolution, which set an unreasonably high bar to follow. My biggest gripes with the show actually involved the camera work and direction, and I think that might be because it's February and we may be getting the fresh crop of Spring semester students working on this show. They'll get better with time. As with (R)Evolution, I'm not doing a full write-up for this show, just results with my thoughts on the match.

Itami and Tyler Breeze gave us a really good opener. Not quite as good as their last outing together, but close enough. Breeze busted out Bret Hart's old ringpost figure four leglock, which was a move I always loved, but Itami got the pin with a running kick.

Baron Corbin beat Bull Dempsey with the End of Days in what was one of the worst no-DQ matches I've ever seen. They didn't even do anything that normally would have gotten someone disqualified. Both guys are capable of better than this.

Blake and Murphy retained over the Lucha Dragons with a cool running brainbuster/frogsplash combo. There were a lot of botches at the beginning of the match, but once it finally came together it turned into a neat, fast-paced battle of holds and counters. The story seems to be that Sin Cara is checked out on Kalisto because he's been getting more time on RAW and Smackdown, so we might possibly be looking forward to the Lucha Dragons exploding.

Finn Balor (with paint) got the win over Adrian Neville with the Coup de Grace, which is what they're now calling his double stomp. It was a really good match, as good as you could expect really, but I almost felt like they were holding something back. No complaints, but I think they could turn it up a notch if they get another match together.

The women's four-way was next, and I called it: this was the sleeper match of the night, and the best match on the card in my opinion. A lot of great spots here, and everyone got a chance to shine on offense. Sasha Banks was killing herself tonight, taking a lot of big spots and hard hits, but it paid off when she finally got the win over Charlotte with a roll-up. Her victory celebration was the first time I've ever seen Sasha out of character - I'm pretty sure she went backstage and just started crying her eyes out. Like I said, she earned it.

The title match between Zayn and Owens was kind of odd, but still a very good match. The story was that Owens was outmatching Zayn on power, but Zayn just wouldn't quit. Owens picked up the win and the title, like I expected he would, but he did it via ref stoppage. It's not the finish anyone expected, but I think it was the right call. It's probably the best way to put a stop to the cheers that Kevin was getting, and it sets up Sami big-time when he makes his triumphant return in several weeks (or maybe even months, if they want to drag this out to the next special).

Like I said, very good show, but probably toward the bottom end of the NXT specials, which trend toward excellent. It still paid off everything, and I unequivocally recommend the women's match, but I couldn't help walking away from this show just a bit underwhelmed.
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#2 Posted on 11.2.15 2207.52
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I totally agree about the camera work being the number one problem. Maybe I'm old, but I couldn't get into the flow with all the switching and bouncing going on. They're doing nothing to enhance their product with this philosophy. They can't go ten seconds on one camera angle. Imagine your favorite classic Flair match being presented in this format, would it make it better?

My Twitter feed was in love with this event. It made me wonder if I was seeing this all wrong. I thought it was really good and entertaining, but it wasn't my favorite show.


Seeing big fat old-school looking Bull Dempsey eat Corbin's crappy looking finisher didn't feel right. The women's match was very good for a four way and probably my favorite match of the night. Owens-Zayn was good start to this series and will probably be better on a rewatch now that I know what they were doing. Owens comes away looking like a legit badass giving Zayn a big mountain to climb, but I'm not sure what he does while Balor gets his title shot. Balor-Neville was neat. I didn't see it as the instant classic others claimed it to be, but what do I know. It may just be I am burnt from shoveling snow all week.

It sounds like I didn't like this show, but I did I just like other NXT events more.

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#3 Posted on 11.2.15 2228.42
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So Kevin Owens is basically going to be NXT's Brock Lesnar, only he shows up every week and wrestles more than three times a year? NXT is the best thing ever.


(And this means we get Owens/Balor for the title, presumably at the rumored pre-Wrestlemania special before the Hall of Fame??? Seriously, NXT is the best thing ever.)
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#4 Posted on 11.2.15 2338.10
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They should put Owens/Balor for the title on the actual Wrestlemania card. It'd steal/save the entire show. Include Balor's full entrance and just lop a few minutes off of, say, Kane's inevitable match.

Another tremendous NXT show, and man, you can put those top three matches against any top three of any show in 2015. Good for Sasha to finally get the title.
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#5 Posted on 12.2.15 0526.29
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    Originally posted by Big Bad
    They should put Owens/Balor for the title on the actual Wrestlemania card. It'd steal/save the entire show. Include Balor's full entrance and just lop a few minutes off of, say, Kane's inevitable match.

    Another tremendous NXT show, and man, you can put those top three matches against any top three of any show in 2015. Good for Sasha to finally get the title.


NXT should never ever be a part of Wrestlemania. The whole point of NXT is to (try to) - someday - make it to the main roster and - ultimately - to Wrestlemania.
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#6 Posted on 12.2.15 0628.15
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The Women's Title match was outstanding - my favorite match of the show for sure. So much great stuff from all four of them.

Sami's ska flier-tastic new t-shirt is great, but as is the case with way too many WWE t-shirts, it would be so much better without the random phrase on the back. I'm still tempted to get it...

I totally get what they were doing in the Main Event, but maybe Owens is just too much of a brawler for my tastes. Since when does a title change happen on a TKO?

    Originally posted by Tenken347
    Finn Balor (with paint) got the win over Adrian Neville with the Coup de Grace, which is what they're now calling his double stomp.


Why does a very Irish guy's finisher have a French name?

And hey Marvel - if you're looking for a Carnage for your NeXT Spider-Man reboot, there's the guy slithering around in Florida you might want to talk to...
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#7 Posted on 12.2.15 0851.49
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    Originally posted by Spiraling_Shape
    I totally get what they were doing in the Main Event, but maybe Owens is just too much of a brawler for my tastes. Since when does a title change happen on a TKO?


Well, ref stop is essentially a forfeiture (unable to compete), so that would be grounds for a title change even though WWE as a whole is usually pretty lax in enforcing that particular rule.
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#8 Posted on 12.2.15 0959.32
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The first three matches were all sloppy to varying extents (perhaps getting messier as they went along), which is fine considering this is meant to be their developmental territory, after all. Just should be a reminder to keep expectations in check.

I had the same thoughts about the camerawork - they missed a lot of spots, and someone seemed to be suuuuuper into the idea of that camerashot from outside the ring corners. It was annoying when they'd miss a good spot, but I'm incredibly tired of the main roster presentation, so if this is an incubator to try out new ideas of how to shoot and present wrestling once Dunn gets the boot, I'm all for some growing pains. Note: steal Lucha Underground's overhead camera and figure out how often you can use it without exposing things. It's supposedly already there in place for Raw/Smackdown/PPVs but never used, as that's apparently the secret camera they used to catch Batista blade himself vs. Jericho.

Baron Corbin: not ready. Which is perfectly fine! I imagine he's the guy Vince would actually love out of all the talent on NXT, but I hope they're thinking slow and steady with him. Let him work as much as possible with Owens and Balor and Neville and develop.

Balor/Neville was good, but not great. Agreed with others that it felt like they were holding back, which they probably should since this was the third match from the top and both guys deserve to be on the main roster sooner than later. This was probably best as a way for them to show how they were capable of both playing face, but very different kinds of faces. The double stomp to the head should have been a finish. Balor's monster dropkick into the corner to set up his finisher is great and will be over huge (though it's funny that they basically missed filming it since it was built up so huge vs. Itami). I think I've said it before, but if you can't figure out how to make money on Finn Balor, you probably shouldn't be a wrestling promoter.

Four way was the best match of the night (which makes for the second time the women's title match won an NXT special). This was genuinely great...I haven't read around for reactions yet and I suspect this will maybe get a little too much love because people are going to want this to mean something, which is maybe unfair to all the wrestlers involved...but it was great. Laid out perfectly by breaking it into a series of three-way matches (which means the degree of difficulty was harder than the three-way booked as series of regular matches strategy), really good spots, everybody worked hard and looked great and that finish was terrific, one of the smartest clean finishes I've seen in a while. Just a ton of attention to detail with Banks making sure to take out the other two one last time, and the submission-> break -> submission -> rollover into a pin was logical and cool. I think the "Sasha Banks is the best wrestler in the company" stuff is maybe a little out of hand, but she was great in this, all four of them were. I'm fine with anyone who wants to say that the NXT women's division and Zayn's angles have been the best booking in WWE and NXT since Wrestlemania.

The ending of Owens/Zayn was unexpected and thus kind of made the end of the show feel weird, but that's how you make a star. Loved the first heel stalling duckout in the beginning and Zayn's dive over the ref to do something about it. Zayn was doing some A+ bumping to make Owens look like a world-beater (mission accomplished). Not sure what that pumphandle/musclebuster/neckbreaker thing was, but that should probably be a finish if he ever does it again, since it looked a million times nastier than a pop-up powerbomb. I don't know if Vince would have any idea how to push him on Raw, but there's no reason Owens couldn't be the Samoa Joe they passed on a few years ago that could anchor a rehabilitated upper midcard title for them by the fall if they don't intentioanlly/accidentally sabotage him.
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#9 Posted on 12.2.15 1027.22
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For what it's worth, Sami is on a plane to Abu Dhabi today, meaning he won't appear at the next set of tapings. Selling that beating is smart, but the timing of it all makes me think he has maybe one rematch a month or so from now before heading to the main roster.

As for the show itself, the top three matches could all have been match of the night. For pure workrate, this beat REvolution, but the emotion of the Owens debut, Sami win, and Owens turn probably gives REvolution the edge over Rival.
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#10 Posted on 12.2.15 1107.19
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This event may not have been as good as the last NXT event, but it's still miles above the Royal Rumble and TLC(s) events, and you can actually look forward to what is coming next on these shows.

I do think that Corbin v. Dempsey and Lucha Dragons v. poor man's Motor City Machineguns didn't live up to the rest of the show's standard. Dempsey is a dialtone of a person, Corbin needs longer matches with more people so I'm glad we are past the 20 second squashes with him but no more Dempsey please. The tag match was way too botchy and neither guy synched up well.

All I'll say about the Women's match is this: How about instead of chanting for CM Punk or JBL during a dull as shit main show Total Diva's match the crowd's just start chanting NXT? I fear that besides Charlotte Vince & Creative would run out of ideas for all the other Divas short of put them on said show or have them work a filler match on Superstars.

Balor v. Neville and Zayn v. Owens both felt like "first in a series match". As I feel like they will have greater matches for months maybe years to come. I approve of Finn Balor being a in shape better wrestling non-drug addicted Jeff Hardy that only APPEARS to be on drugs. I'm also for Owens becoming NXT's Samoa Joe/Brock Lesnar and murderin' foos! I love heels whose gimmick is that they know that they've gone too far to make a violent point on purpose. Kill Owens Kill.

Also best lines of the night.

Corey Graves about Becky Lynch:
"You can't buy the championship at Hot Topic, you gotta win it in the ring.

The crowd when the medical staff came out for Zayn:
"GET THE Z PACKS!" clap clap clapclapclap*

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#11 Posted on 12.2.15 1125.47
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I noly caught part of the women's and the ME matches, but how did Albert do announcing the rest of the show? I thought he was ok, less annoying that Riley.
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#12 Posted on 12.2.15 1129.57
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    Originally posted by JimBob Skeeter
    I noly caught part of the women's and the ME matches, but how did Albert do announcing the rest of the show? I thought he was ok, less annoying that Riley.

Albert was mostly harmless. He's kind of the Booker T of NXT commentary, where he gets real excited about big moves. ("WOWWW!" "OHHHHH!") The real issue I have is that Albert and Graves kept saying the same things, emphasizing my disdain for the three-man booth. Graves is REALLY good, and I'd like to hear him with Rich Brennan alone.
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#13 Posted on 12.2.15 1228.34
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I don't think it was as great as R-Evolution, but it was the next logical step. Finn Balor is the future. Hopefully, they keep letting him do his thing.

I got almost a Vader/Sting at GAB '92 vibe from Zayn vs Owens. Valiant babyface gives indestructible heel all he's got, but in the end, the monster heel dominates. The ending was a bit awkward, though.

I'm interested to see where we go from here. Owens vs Balor should be a great match.

That women's match may be the best 4-way match I've seen. Not that there's a lot of contenders, but there were some great spots I would never have even thought of and it was exciting all throughout.

Am I wrong in thinking the NXT ring announcer is the best ring announcer on the WWE roster?
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#14 Posted on 12.2.15 1250.23
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The oddest thing with Balor is that he seems to have the least-defined character among the main guys on the roster. Maybe least-definable is the better way to say it. Based on some of the commentary (one of them started in on Balor describing his ability to "tap into what he calls a Dark Passenger"), the closest I can get seems to be Agreeable Serial Killer. I wonder if it's because they're still working on bringing the weird-o entrance stuff in-line with Cool Irish Dude or if it's because they know he's ready to go up and want to give him as few quantifiable traits to ruin two minutes into his Raw debut. My advice would be to keep it simple and make him Cool Vaguely European Guy In Really Nice Suits Who Stomps On you Until You Die when he does come up.

As he currently is, though, Balor vs. Owens could be a neat feud if they go with the idea that Owens completely psyched Zayn out, but Balor is an emotionless murder machine and head games won't cut it on him.

    Originally posted by SKLOKAZOID
    Am I wrong in thinking the NXT ring announcer is the best ring announcer on the WWE roster?
The was The Formerly Late Jojo! I realized who it was and what a good job she was doing about halfway through the special and was surprised.
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#15 Posted on 12.2.15 1256.56
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    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely

      Originally posted by SKLOKAZOID
      Am I wrong in thinking the NXT ring announcer is the best ring announcer on the WWE roster?
    The was The Formerly Late Jojo! I realized who it was and what a good job she was doing about halfway through the special and was surprised.

I really like Jojo's announcing. I just didn't like how she announced Owens as the winner: "Due to the referee stopping the match, Kevin Owens is the new NXT champion!" It was awkward, but maybe she was surprised by the finish as the rest of us. It should have been:

"Due to the referee stopping the match, your winner...
(dramatic pause)
...and NEWWWWW NXT champion...
(dramatic pause)
...Kevin Owens!"

The pauses would let the announcers sell the horror of the moment.
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#16 Posted on 12.2.15 1351.30
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    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely
    The oddest thing with Balor is that he seems to have the least-defined character among the main guys on the roster. Maybe least-definable is the better way to say it. Based on some of the commentary (one of them started in on Balor describing his ability to "tap into what he calls a Dark Passenger"), the closest I can get seems to be Agreeable Serial Killer. I wonder if it's because they're still working on bringing the weird-o entrance stuff in-line with Cool Irish Dude or if it's because they know he's ready to go up and want to give him as few quantifiable traits to ruin two minutes into his Raw debut. My advice would be to keep it simple and make him Cool Vaguely European Guy In Really Nice Suits Who Stomps On you Until You Die when he does come up.




They don't know how to do weird or different. It's why Bray has had so many starts and stops. It's why Harper and Rowan kind of stall and Stardust kind of just exists and floats as this kind of thing.

I shudder to think what the commentary teams will do with Balor. If JBL goes into a tangent about him being a dumb nerdy freak he could set Balor up on a terrible crash course.

I also don't know how Neville's game will translate. He is a guy that seems a little too different, style wise at least, and they probably won't do anything consistent with him. If he can find that one thing to become RVD 2.0 and get the crowd behind him he will be alright, but I fear he may as guy who does a few cool things in two minute matches with no real gimmick and end up Jerry Lynn 2.0.
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#17 Posted on 12.2.15 1732.21
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I thought this was another really great NXT show. Every time I watch one of their big events, I'm left thinking that they're just head and shoulders above everything else WWE puts out.

Definitely hooked.
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#18 Posted on 12.2.15 2139.38
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The t-ball preciousness of NXT can lead to some hyperbolic praise at times, but I thought the fourway was the best women's match in the history of the company. The layout was as ambitious and creative as a men's PPV main event, and they pulled it off.

Bayley winning the title from the Boss will be a huge deal. Harder to say with the NXT title, since I dunno how long they'll leave Zayn, Owens, and Balor in NXT to work with each other. Like, Zayn/Owens could obviously go for a long time and be great, but Sami can only be the eternal high schooler down here for so long, perfect as he is. Neville is the only one who seems to be finishing up though, along with Charlotte. Paige winning the title at Mania and then Charlotte coming out the next night to challenge her would be unusually thoughtful.

Far be it from me to praise the Impact Zonier elements of Full Sail, but chanting "Z-Pak" as Dr. Amann diagnosed Zayn's concussion was one of the best I've ever heard.

Having a crappy tag title match was a touching tribute to the Ascension.
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#19 Posted on 12.2.15 2144.22
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There's almost no reason not to boo Kevin Owens. He's a ruthless opportunist, the kind of the guy that willingly beat his best friend within an inch of his life, had no regard for his well-being, and acts like a soulless monster in the ring.

And yet.......LOOK AT THIS!




How can you hate this man?
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#20 Posted on 13.2.15 0814.04
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    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
      Originally posted by Dr Unlikely
      The oddest thing with Balor is that he seems to have the least-defined character among the main guys on the roster. Maybe least-definable is the better way to say it. Based on some of the commentary (one of them started in on Balor describing his ability to "tap into what he calls a Dark Passenger"), the closest I can get seems to be Agreeable Serial Killer. I wonder if it's because they're still working on bringing the weird-o entrance stuff in-line with Cool Irish Dude or if it's because they know he's ready to go up and want to give him as few quantifiable traits to ruin two minutes into his Raw debut. My advice would be to keep it simple and make him Cool Vaguely European Guy In Really Nice Suits Who Stomps On you Until You Die when he does come up.




    They don't know how to do weird or different. It's why Bray has had so many starts and stops. It's why Harper and Rowan kind of stall and Stardust kind of just exists and floats as this kind of thing.

    I shudder to think what the commentary teams will do with Balor. If JBL goes into a tangent about him being a dumb nerdy freak he could set Balor up on a terrible crash course.

    I also don't know how Neville's game will translate. He is a guy that seems a little too different, style wise at least, and they probably won't do anything consistent with him. If he can find that one thing to become RVD 2.0 and get the crowd behind him he will be alright, but I fear he may as guy who does a few cool things in two minute matches with no real gimmick and end up Jerry Lynn 2.0.


Neville is a guy who I think they just recently figured out what his character was. He was "wrestling guy" for a long time, but it wasn't until they decided to bill him as the consummate professional to contrast against Zayn's passion and intensity that they really hit on anything with him. It wound up working really great in the Balor match. Neville no-selling the big entrance was just as good as the Ascension freaking out about it. Neville as "professional who gets the job done no matter what" is a hook that could really work for him.

Balor, on the other hand, is exactly what they need - a new Undertaker. The Undertaker got by for something like 10 years with no hook other than "is zombie undertaker," until he gradually blossomed into "toughest guy in professional wrestling." So it's not like Balor needs a lot. "Guy with literal demon living inside him" will probably be fine, until he too becomes "toughest guy in professional wrestling."

    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely
    I think the "Sasha Banks is the best wrestler in the company" stuff is maybe a little out of hand, but she was great in this, all four of them were. I'm fine with anyone who wants to say that the NXT women's division and Zayn's angles have been the best booking in WWE and NXT since Wrestlemania.


If we're being honest, Sasha wasn't even the best wrestler in that match. Third best, tops. But, she has been busting her ass for something like 6 months, putting on great matches and really selling the angles and her character, and maybe "deserves" don't have anything to do with it, but she deserved that win as much as anyone has ever deserved anything in pro wrestling. Sasha is somebody who really gradually won me over with her work, and as much as I wanted Bayley to walk out with the title, I cannot argue with the Boss here.
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