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#1 Posted on 2.10.14 2026.40
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Well, it wasn't as bad as the pilot, but that's not saying much. I guess I'd say it was slightly better.

Introducing non-Batman villains is the way to go with this and I felt Taylor and Whaley did a decent job as (most likely) one off characters. My one complaint about them is the mentioning of the kids being sent to 'The Dollmaker'. This is a character they just used on Arrow! Very lazy to not even bother using someone else.

Everything having to do with the Penguin seems out of place on this show, as does every other Batman villain. Time line wise, we're a good 10-15 years away from Bruce Wayne becoming Batman. It makes no sense to have Penguin floating around for that long before Batman becomes a thing. Now I've read they're bringing in Harvey Dent as a young D.A.? That will make Two-Face at least 15-20 years older than Batman. That's stupid.

Okay. There were a few glimmers of hope thrown in here. Will Smith's wife is growing on me as a character and she wasn't as bad as in the first episode, Richard Kind as the weasly mayor is a good casting job, the mis-matched pairing of Gordon and Bullock could be fun to watch, and the idea of Gordon seemingly being the only cop who isn't dirty is interesting.
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#2 Posted on 3.10.14 0706.52
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I believe the Harvey Dent is going to be a kid which makes sense in the fact, he is a childhood friend of Bruce. Gordon isn't the only cop that is dirty. Montoya is not dirty just career driven or spiteful, take your pick for someone in I.A. Penguin was an established mob leader depending on the continuity when Batman starts, so seeing him climb the ladder is pretty cool.

I liked the episode. The girl playing Selina was pretty awesome and her eye gouging ability was great. Gordon and Bullock have a great chemistry mainly for Donald Logue's energy. I did like Gordon not lifting a finger to save the pharmacy guy. It is a nice foreshadowing of the Dark Knight Interrogation Scene where Gordon will allow that sort of punishment to be dished out to certain people.

Arrow cherry picked a lot of Batman villains to make their show interesting. So, Gotham can return the favor.
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#3 Posted on 3.10.14 0710.27
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I thought this was a definite improvement over the pilot. It sets the proper tone, with over-the-top criminals that are eventually going to be too much for the cops alone to handle. I think it was a bit of a mistake to set this show so far in the past of Batman's timeline - almost everything would make more sense if it was set about 3-5 years before Batman showed up. You could even steal a page from Arrow (although I'm pretty sure the production teams for the two shows have absolutely nothing to do with each other) and do one storyline in the present while having the Waynes' murder investigated in another storyline set in flashbacks. Still, we're moving in the right direction here.
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#4 Posted on 3.10.14 0812.55
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Villains being 15 years older than Batman isn't something I'm too worried about.

I actually think the guy playing The Penguin is pretty good. I like Fish Mooney less every time she's on screen. Hoping she's gone by the season's end.
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#5 Posted on 4.10.14 2015.35
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I think some of you are taking the chronology way too literally. I know it hurts the inner comic book nerd in most of us when TV shows and movies mangle our stories, but they have to be intentionally fudging timelines here, right? I mean we have cops using cell phones the day after Thomas and Martha get murdered. Why isn't anybody complaining about that?

I like to compare it to the movie Moulin Rouge (stay with me here) which was set in 1900 and yet had characters singing songs from Madonna, Nirvana, Elton John, The Police, etc. It's not a mistake, it's intentional.

FWIW I like the show, and I liked this episode. I think it's been getting pretty good praise from the critics and has had great ratings so far. I'm hopeful for its future.

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#6 Posted on 6.10.14 0028.20
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It's no problem that Penguin has 20 years on Bruce, and obviously Selina is within a couple of years of him. Riddler being 20 years older doesn't quite vibe with what we've seen from the comics but Riddler is kind of an "ageless" character anyway, so he could be notably older in this incarnation. Of course, there's also the issue of Montoya, Bullock, Allen and the other noted Gotham cops all being Gordon's peers as opposed to his future officers.
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#7 Posted on 7.10.14 0102.08
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It was better than the pilot, I'll grant, but I decided to bail on the series. Even when it kind-of works, it's just not the kind of world I want to spend time in, and there's too much else on TV.

    Originally posted by StingArmy
    I think some of you are taking the chronology way too literally. I know it hurts the inner comic book nerd in most of us when TV shows and movies mangle our stories, but they have to be intentionally fudging timelines here, right? I mean we have cops using cell phones the day after Thomas and Martha get murdered. Why isn't anybody complaining about that?



Well, that's a different issue. They can't seem to decide what era this show takes place in. I'm almost expecting a scene where people debate whether to vote for Obama or Truman, or an exchange like "The Yankees won't be the same now that Derek Jeter's retired." "Hey, they still have Gehrig and Munson, they'll be fine!"
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#8 Posted on 9.10.14 0835.19
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    Originally posted by Peter The Hegemon
    It was better than the pilot, I'll grant, but I decided to bail on the series. Even when it kind-of works, it's just not the kind of world I want to spend time in, and there's too much else on TV.

      Originally posted by StingArmy
      I think some of you are taking the chronology way too literally. I know it hurts the inner comic book nerd in most of us when TV shows and movies mangle our stories, but they have to be intentionally fudging timelines here, right? I mean we have cops using cell phones the day after Thomas and Martha get murdered. Why isn't anybody complaining about that?



    Well, that's a different issue. They can't seem to decide what era this show takes place in. I'm almost expecting a scene where people debate whether to vote for Obama or Truman, or an exchange like "The Yankees won't be the same now that Derek Jeter's retired." "Hey, they still have Gehrig and Munson, they'll be fine!"


I'm of the mind that they have taken a real time flashback approach to the story telling. Bruce takes up the mantle somewhere between 25-30. Assuming that he has just begun appearing in real time Gotham would take place in the late 90's-2000's. That vibes well with the cellphones that have appeared on the show as some of the vehicles. The old style Gotham architecture seems directly inspired by BTAS and some of the set pieces from the Arkham video game series.

I don't see this series lasting long enough to actually show Bruce take the mantle; at least not without a couple of "x years later" type season openers.
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