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#21 Posted on 22.7.14 1206.49
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- According to F4wonline (via WrestleZone) when Mark Henry returns, he will be part of the new stable that formed on Raw last night. That stable includes Xavier Woods, Big E and Kofi Kingston.


This... Is going to end badly.
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#22 Posted on 22.7.14 1211.36
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    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco

    Were the announcers and myself the only ones who didn't seem to know the IC match was non title until after the pinfall?




I wasn't sure either, but then again, I FF'd through ring introductions so didn't hear the ring announcer NOT say it was for the title. I can only assume WWE is fully aware of how they treat secondary champions, because here's Miz jobbing in a non-title situation they day after he wins the belt. Unreal.

    Originally posted by Stefonics

    Stephanie McMahon is great. Tremendous job by all involved with the arrest angle.



I thought the same thing. If the acting wasn't there, the angle would've felt like it went on forever, but everyone from the cops to the security dude to Triple H played their parts perfectly. And the fans' huge response when they realized what was going on was cool, too.

    Originally posted by Spiraling_Shape

    The other one is injured...I don't remember if it's Primo or Colon.


According to Wikipedia, Epico/Fernando is the injured one.

I thought this was a good show, but then again, didn't hate Battleground as much as others (but thought it was just a middle-of-the-road type show). It was good to see Paige turn, as she now appears to be the character so many fans wanted her to be upon her call-up.

I would also like to register my disdain for JBL. The announcing as a whole in the first match in particular was terrible. Somebody needed to call out JBL by saying Best for Business and being fair aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. He wouldn't be so bad if he wasn't on both Raw AND Smackdown (and PPV).



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#23 Posted on 22.7.14 1255.59
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Count me in on the 'replace JBL' train. I get that he's a heel commentator and his job is to piss people off, but he does so by being really, really bad at his job. I'm not sure who they could bring back as a heel commentator; Booker T, maybe? Not Heyman, he's too busy with Brock right now.
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#24 Posted on 22.7.14 1301.24
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    Originally posted by DirtyMikeSeaver
    - According to F4wonline (via WrestleZone) when Mark Henry returns, he will be part of the new stable that formed on Raw last night. That stable includes Xavier Woods, Big E and Kofi Kingston.


    This... Is going to end badly.


Meh. Nation of Domination was entertaining enough. I just hope they don't get a biker gang and bring back Carlito to join his brothers and revisit the gang warfare era.
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#25 Posted on 22.7.14 1307.18
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    Originally posted by Blind_Guardian
    Count me in on the 'replace JBL' train. I get that he's a heel commentator and his job is to piss people off, but he does so by being really, really bad at his job. I'm not sure who they could bring back as a heel commentator; Booker T, maybe? Not Heyman, he's too busy with Brock right now.
Good lord, Booker T is far worse than JBL ever will be. Bring up Regal or bring in Nash, I think if motivated Nash could be a good announcer. Not happening though. JBL gets so much hate that people forget how bad Lawler is. Been at least a decade since Lawler was any good.
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#26 Posted on 22.7.14 1357.15
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    Originally posted by geemoney
      Originally posted by Spiraling_Shape

      The other one is injured...I don't remember if it's Primo or Colon.


    According to Wikipedia, Epico/Fernando is the injured one.


And according to my memory, apparently Epico's name is Colon. :)

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#27 Posted on 22.7.14 1401.34
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JBL seesaws between throwing in neat historical references from time to time(Frank Brody threw a boot like that, Maggle!) and being really, really obnoxious. It seems like people can't be heels any more without blatant over-the-top trolling.
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#28 Posted on 22.7.14 1406.07
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Would replacing JBL be anything more than a cosmetic change? If I could replace one member of the commentary operation, it would be Vince.
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#29 Posted on 22.7.14 1423.34
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Everything with Brie and Stephanie was pretty damn spectacular. Now will it be another Steph vs. Trish or another Lawler vs. Cole? Actually, if they put Bryan and the demon Kane in the corners, it'd be a halfway decent payoff to that series of unfortunate events, but I am guessing Bryan is not allowed to do anything physical, so better to avoid it.

That was the bittersweet part of Heyman's masterpiece -- knowing this was supposed to be the payoff of a summer of Bryan foiling Authoritative plans and turning aside all challengers, forcing them to go with the nuclear option. Is a dream a lie if it don't come true, or is it something worse?

But hey, maybe if we time it just perfectly, the crowd will turn on Reigns just in time for Bryan to come back and get the Mania main event with Lesnar.

    Originally posted by Mr Shh
    So, what does SummerSlam look like?

    Reigns/Orton (with Kane? or Cesaro/Kane separately?)


I also see Cesaro/Kane. Since Cesaro breaking up with Heyman and wrestling Lesnar has been clumsily edited out of the film, they'll do it in hyperspeed with the Authority and the demon Kane as fill-ins.

If I was trying to make scrambled eggs out of broken eggs, or however that expression that I may or may not have just made up goes, I would have Cesaro save Swagger and be the realest Real America who topples Rusev.

    Originally posted by Quezzy
    And Usos vs. Big E/Kofi?


I started to get the impression that the cosmic key the Dustbusters covet is the tag championship?

I'm deeply excited about the first ever heel Kofi. My excitement for the new Nation of I Slam is more uncomfortable nervous energy, but I am excited nonetheless. It's tough, I wouldn't want to put every black gentleman in the group, but I'm too excited about Mark Henry and R-Truth being psycho heels again to leave them out. And Titus is obviously in. Really, it was David Otunga's destiny to lead this team, but professor Xavier seems to be playing Otunga anyway.

    Originally posted by digital spy
    Considering they are looking to lose at least 52 million due to the stock drop


I ... don't think that's how that works.

    Originally posted by Heims
    Would replacing JBL be anything more than a cosmetic change? If I could replace one member of the commentary operation, it would be Vince.


It's true. If Renee and Regal were calling Raw, they too would be reprogrammed into shrill wind-up dolls. Well, maybe not Renee. There's too much vitality in that woman's soul.
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#30 Posted on 22.7.14 1429.13
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Just go back to a two-person announce booth. Three guys with nothing to say is unbearable. And, to be honest, I'd cut King before JBL at this point. Give him a proper sendoff show, then let him host a show on the network.
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#31 Posted on 22.7.14 1612.36
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    Originally posted by JustinShapiro


      Originally posted by Heims
      Would replacing JBL be anything more than a cosmetic change? If I could replace one member of the commentary operation, it would be Vince.


    It's true. If Renee and Regal were calling Raw, they too would be reprogrammed into shrill wind-up dolls. Well, maybe not Renee. There's too much vitality in that woman's soul.


Renee Young is the best commentator in wrestling, which is why I hope she never leaves NXT. I know that all three men in the commentary booth have the capacity to be absolutely great at their jobs, because they all have been at some point in time. Vince's vision of what the booth should be is just death, though. So much of the product is phenomenal right now, but that announcing is just bringing everything around it down.
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#32 Posted on 23.7.14 1345.31
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    Originally posted by DirtyMikeSeaver
    - According to F4wonline (via WrestleZone) when Mark Henry returns, he will be part of the new stable that formed on Raw last night. That stable includes Xavier Woods, Big E and Kofi Kingston.


    This... Is going to end badly.


I know WWE has given us plenty of reason to doubt them through the years, but just because a bunch of black dudes are forming a stable doesn't mean it should necessarily be "racial". And nothing in Xavier's speech hinted at that direction. When all white-guy stables are formed, no one thinks anything of it. So who knows? The Wyatts are a bunch of white hillbillies. We all know how bad that could have potentially been, but they're the best act on the show right now. It will ultimately boil down to what the performers bring to it.
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#33 Posted on 23.7.14 1442.47
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So far Kofi and Big E are gelling well. For anyone that watches Superstars they tried to murder Heath Slater and Titus with a rib breaker diving double stomp combo while Woods yells at them. This looks like an interesting development of three guys who desperately needed an edge to their characters.
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#34 Posted on 23.7.14 1545.51
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    Originally posted by DirtyMikeSeaver
    - According to F4wonline (via WrestleZone) when Mark Henry returns, he will be part of the new stable that formed on Raw last night. That stable includes Xavier Woods, Big E and Kofi Kingston.


    This... Is going to end badly.


No R-Truth? What's up?

Mr. T. and his mother think that Paul Heyman promo was too long. Heyman is a great talker, but he ended up just repeating his points.
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#35 Posted on 23.7.14 1613.42
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    I know WWE has given us plenty of reason to doubt them through the years, but just because a bunch of black dudes are forming a stable doesn't mean it should necessarily be "racial". And nothing in Xavier's speech hinted at that direction. When all white-guy stables are formed, no one thinks anything of it. So who knows?


We'll obviously know more Monday, but this seems pretty likely inspired by both (as graves pointed out) the Atlantic story accusing WWE of having a race problem (1) and the Twitter jokes about Rusev just defeating African Americans early on in his winning streak. Big E, Xavier Woods and Kofi themselves were making NoD jokes on Twitter at the time, and now they're just bringing a sledgehammer to the fourth wall. (2)

I thinking going meta here and having characters react to the issue is obfuscating the actual problem - it's the writers (and the people in charge of the writers) who have to get out of the mindset of having A minority star of each minority and virtually abandoning any minority who doesn't immediately succeed in this spot. Everything else is in the messy result of that weird mindset.

It is nice Xavier Woods may get a real honest shot at a WWE career, since WWE really gave him zero chance up to now. I think it'll get over in the short term and will convince them what they've done before was correct, which is not as great.

(1) - I'm not one for foul language, here or the real life, but the author of that piece deciding the Rock wasn't black enough for him to count - or even be mentioned at all in the original version of the story! - made me want to let us a string of obscenities from here to Miami. That's not a decision you get to make (and to argue the actual WWF point, Rock sure was in the Nation last time around.)

(2) - It's actually probably those jokes which more started the ball rolling. Alvarez mentioned there had been talk about a "Nation"-like stable since before MVP's group came together in TNA (3)

(3) - which, to the original point!, no one is making the same jokes about. Maybe there's just too much else to make fun of there? I have no recollection how they played the R-Truth/Creed/Pacman Jones faction, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't positive.

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#36 Posted on 23.7.14 1807.23
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    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    (1) - I'm not one for foul language, here or the real life, but the author of that piece deciding the Rock wasn't black enough for him to count - or even be mentioned at all in the original version of the story! - made me want to let us a string of obscenities from here to Miami. That's not a decision you get to make (and to argue the actual WWF point, Rock sure was in the Nation last time around.


He went into a little more depth about this on Grantland's Cheap Heat podcast, and I'm willing to concede the point that Rock is usually only pointed out as a "Black Wrestler" when it is convenient, and that he's more often associated with his Samoan heritage (and the dozens of wrestling connections that entails). I still don't agree with a lot of his assertions.

As the crux of his argument that Booker could draw, he lauds WCW for giving him the belt and later notes that it was "a company that surpassed WWE in ratings for a significant chunk of the time he was champion there." That's demonstrably false and goes a long way to hurt his assertions, which hurts all the more due to the fact that he's otherwise mostly right.

I do think it's a good discussion to have, and if it prompts WWE to give these guys a character other than "Black Wrestler" great! Though I'm worried that the characters will morph from being "A Black Wrestler" to "Some Black Wrestlers."

I do think there's probably some truth in what MVP and Gail Kim talk about in the aforementioned Grantland Podcast that WWE as a company suffers more from ignorance than actual active racism for the most part, so maybe this type of potentially inflammatory angle will help push things along.
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#37 Posted on 23.7.14 2013.04
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    Originally posted by thecubsfan


    (2) - It's actually probably those jokes which more started the ball rolling. Alvarez mentioned there had been talk about a "Nation"-like stable since before MVP's group came together in TNA (3)

    (3) - which, to the original point!, no one is making the same jokes about.


When MVP, King, and Lashley aligned together it definitely felt problematic for a moment. It wound up working out, because each of the trio has such a distinct character that none of them ended up appearing to be an arbitrary addition. So long as Woods, Kingston, and E each get sufficient character development, they should be fine.
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#38 Posted on 23.7.14 2123.14
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Kofi a heel? I always thought Kofi would be this generation's Tito Santana or Ricky Steamboat. Eternal babyface.
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#39 Posted on 24.7.14 0802.11
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Who says they have to be heels?
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#40 Posted on 24.7.14 0844.43
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Just wish they'd diversify the broadcast teams...they have enough people to do that. Of course it's a bit heavier on the color commentator side, especially with Josh's departure...once you get past Cole on the play-by-play side, there's only newer people like Tom Phillips and Rich Brennan. (Where'd Scott Stanford disappear to?)

On the color commentator side, there's: JBL, Lawler, Byron Saxton(who's probably better in the heel role but could do PBP), Regal, Alex Riley, Jason Albert, and Renee.

Just saying: Spread that out a bit instead of having Cole/JBL on both Raw and SD.

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