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|  #21 Posted on 16.6.14 1957.22
Reposted on: 16.6.21 1957.25 | Well after one game my prediction is already almost certainly shot, thankfully. A draw against Portugal in the next game would almost certainly be enough to get the US through to the knockout rounds, barring a pounding from Germany like what they gave Portugal. Portugal looked terrible, but the US did not look so great either.
Anyway, things look much brighter than I expected. Today really went about as great as it could have for the US. At one point late, when the match was already out of hand, Ronaldo thought Portugal should have had a penalty and got very aggressive with the ref, I thought he might do or say something to get himself sent off. That would be just about the only thing that could have made it better. | Zeruel
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|  #22 Posted on 17.6.14 0119.04
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Remaining games
USA vs Portugal
Germany vs Ghana
USA vs Germany
Portugal vs Ghana
GD
Germany +4
USA +1 (+2 vs Ghana, +5 vs Portugal)
Ghana -1
Portugal -4
There are 9 different results for the 2nd games:
1) USA beats Portugal, Ghana beats Germany
USA 6 pts
Germany 3
Ghana 3
Portugal 0
We advance unless Ghana beats Portugal and we lose to Germany and Ghana's GD is better than ours
2) USA loses to Portugal, Ghana beats Germany
All teams have 3 points.
If we beat Germany, we advance
If we lose, we are out
If we draw, we are probably out (zero GD or worse, Ghana would have zero GD or better. 2nd tiebreaker is goals scored, so we only advance over Ghana if we had scored more total goals. Portugal would have to beat us by 6 to be considered.
3) USA draws Portugal, Ghana beats Germany
USA 4
Germany 3
Ghana 3
Portugal 1
If we beat or draw Germany, we advance
If we lose, we advance if Ghana draws Portugal and they only beat Germany by 1 and we have more goals scored.
If we lose, we advance if Portugal beats Ghana by 4 goals or less or they win by 5 and we score more goals than them.
4) USA beats Portugal, Germany beats Ghana
Germany 6
USA 6
Ghana 0
Portugal 0
We advance.
We only capture 1st by beating Germany or we have a draw against them and we beat Portugal by 4 more goals than Germany beats Ghana
5) USA loses to Portugal, Germany beats Ghana
Germany 6
USA 3
Portugal 3
Ghana 0
We beat Germany, we advance unless Portugal beats Ghana and both Portugal and Germany have a better GD than us.
We draw, we advance unless Portugal beats Ghana
6)USA draws Portugal, Germany beats Ghana
Germany 6
USA 4
Portugal 1
Ghana 0
We advance unless Portugal beats Ghana by 6 goals or more
7)USA beats Portugal, Germany draws Ghana
USA 6
Germany 4
Ghana 1
Portugal 1
We advance.
We take 1st unless Germany beats us, then we take 2nd
8) USA loses to Portugal, Germany draws Ghana
Germany 4
USA 3
Portugal 3
Ghana 1
If we lose to Germany, we are out (Portugal win gives them 6 pts, draw 4 pts; Ghana win gives them 4)
If we draw Germany, we advance unless Portugal beats Ghana, or Ghana wins and has a better GD than us
If we beat Germany, we advance
9) USA draws Portugal, Germany draws Ghana
Germany 4
USA 4
Ghana 1
Portugal 1
If we beat or draw Germany, we advance
If we lose to Germany, we advance if Portugal and Ghana draw
If we lose to Germany, we advance if Portugal beats Ghana by 4 or less, or Ghana beats Portugal by 1 goal)
We advance no matter what if Portugal and Ghana draw
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| #23 Posted on 18.6.14 1254.44
Reposted on: 18.6.21 1256.28 | | Gutting loss for Australia, that match deserved to be a draw. That was the greatest group stage match I can remember seeing. The Dutch march on, though this game will take the wind out of their sails just a bit. That might be a good thing. | TheBucsFan
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| #24 Posted on 18.6.14 1330.58
Reposted on: 18.6.21 1335.32 | Here is how each region is doing thus far, including the second fixtures for those that have played them:
UEFA (Europe): 22 pts, 14 matches played
CONMEBOL (South America): 13 pts, 7 matches played
CONCACAF (North America): 10 points, 5 matches played
CAF (Africa): 4 points, 5 matches played
AFC (Asia): 2 points, 5 matches played
OFC (Oceania): No teams in the tournament
Incidentally, I think it sucks that the Oceania winner of qualifying does not go directly to the tournament. | Spank E
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|  #25 Posted on 18.6.14 1636.11
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It's going to be a long time before you see a goal anywhere near as good as Cahill's equaliser for Australia. | Zeruel
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| #26 Posted on 18.6.14 1638.10
Reposted on: 18.6.21 1640.53 | Originally posted by TheBucsFan
Incidentally, I think it sucks that the Oceania winner of qualifying does not go directly to the tournament.
Which is the reason Australia got the hell out of there and into the AFC.
This is the OFC:
American Samoa
Cook Islands
Fiji
Kiribati-1
New Caledonia
New Zealand
Niue-1
Papua New Guinea
Samoa
Solomon Islands
French Polynesia Tahiti (French Polynesia)
Tonga
Tuvalu-1
Vanuatu
1- Associate member of the OFC, but non-FIFA member.
It is basically New Zealand and a bunch of small island nations. It is hard to argue that New Zealand gets to advance to the World Cup, with out a playoff, because they dominated a bunch of island nations. I think it is only a matter of time before they join the AFC as well. | TheBucsFan
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| #27 Posted on 18.6.14 1643.40
Reposted on: 18.6.21 1648.24 | Originally posted by Spank E
Sweet baby Jesus, Spain never even looked like they WANTED to be there. Just awful, awful, awful.
It's going to be a long time before you see a goal anywhere near as good as Cahill's equaliser for Australia.
Yeah that and the van Persie headed goal are two of the all-time great World Cup goals, and they happened less than a week apart.
Just an amazing World Cup so far. Well on course to be the best ever. | Zeruel
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| #28 Posted on 18.6.14 1654.48
Reposted on: 18.6.21 1655.12 | Group B standings going into the final games:
Netherlands 2-0-0 8GF 3GA +5GD 6pts
Chile 2-0-0 5GF 1GA +4GD 6pts
Both Netherlands and Chile advance
Australia 0-0-2 3 6 −3 0pts
Spain 0-0-2 1 7 −6 0pts
Games left:
Australia vs Spain
Netherlands vs Chile
Netherlands takes 1st place with win or draw (Netherlands will still have a greater GD)
Chile takes 1st place with a win
If you assume that Brazil will take first in group A, both clubs want to win group B to avoid them in the opening round in the knockout stage.
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| #29 Posted on 18.6.14 1659.00
Reposted on: 18.6.21 1659.01 | Originally posted by Spank E
Sweet baby Jesus, Spain never even looked like they WANTED to be there. Just awful, awful, awful.
Seriously. 2014 Spain < 2002 France, which is saying something.
Lethargic, unimaginative, toothless, disinterested....just nothing there.
But like you say, holy Tim Cahill!! | Zeruel
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| #30 Posted on 18.6.14 1914.33
Reposted on: 18.6.21 1915.26 | Group A Standings
Brazil 1-1-0 3GF 1GA +2GD 4pts
Mexico 1-1-0 1GF 0GA +1GD 4pts
Croatia 1-0-1 5GF 3GA +2GD 3pts
Cameroon 0-0-2 0GF 5GA −5GD 0pts
Games left
Cameroon vs Brazil
Croatia vs Mexico
What if scenarios
Brazil advances with: a win or draw OR a loss and Croatia/Mexico does not end in a draw
Mexico advances with: a win or draw OR a loss and Brazil loses to Cameroon with a worse GD than Mexico
Croatia advances with: a win OR a draw and Cameroon win
1) Brazil beats Cameroon, Mexico beats Croatia
Brazil 7pts
Mexico 7pts
Croatia 3pts
Cameroon 0 pts
Brazil and Mexico advance, side with greater GD is 1st place
2) Cameroon beats Brazil, Mexico beats Croatia
Mexico 7pts
Brazil 4pts
Croatia 3pts
Cameroon 3pts
Mexico and Brazil advance
3) Brazil draws Cameroon, Mexico beats Croatia
Mexico 7pts
Brazil 5pts
Croatia 3 pts
Cameroon 1pt
Mexico and Brazil Advance
4) Brazil beats Cameroon, Croatia beats Mexico
Brazil 7pts
Croatia 6pts
Mexico 4pts
Cameroon 0 pts
Brazil and Croatia advance
5) Cameroon beats Brazil, Croatia beats Mexico
Croatia 6pts
Brazil 4pts
Mexico 4pts
Cameroon 3pts
Croatia advances, better GD between Brazil/Mexico advances
6) Brazil draws Cameroon, Croatia beats Mexico
Croatia 6 pts
Brazil 5pts
Mexico 4pts
Cameroon 1pt
Croatia and Brazil Advance
7) Brazil beats Cameroon, Mexico draws Croatia
Brazil 7pts
Mexico 5pts
Croatia 4pts
Cameroon 0 pts
Brazil and Mexico advance
8) Cameroon beats Brazil, Mexico draws Croatia
Mexico 5pts
Croatia 4pts
Brazil 4pts
Cameroon 3pts
Mexico and Croatia advance. Croatia has same GD as Brazil, and if Brazil loses, their GD goes down by at least one.
9) Brazil draws Cameroon, Mexico draws Croatia
Brazil 5pts
Mexico 5pts
Croatia 4pts
Cameroon 1pt
Brazil and Mexico advance. Brazil is 1st due to GD not changing | Peter The Hegemon
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|  #31 Posted on 19.6.14 0651.53
Reposted on: 19.6.21 0652.10 | Henry Higgins might say:
The reign of Spain is plainly down the drain.
B^} | Spank E
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| #32 Posted on 19.6.14 1346.12
Reposted on: 19.6.21 1349.32 | Originally posted by me up there
It's going to be a long time before you see a goal anywhere near as good as Cahill's equaliser for Australia.
Okay, by "a long time", I clearly meant "tomorrow". What a goal by Gervinho for Ivory Coast. Sublime. Shame they were so spotty against counter attacks. | CRZ
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| #33 Posted on 19.6.14 1554.32
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| #34 Posted on 19.6.14 1623.38
Reposted on: 19.6.21 1625.50 | Originally posted by Spank E
Originally posted by me up there
It's going to be a long time before you see a goal anywhere near as good as Cahill's equaliser for Australia.
Okay, by "a long time", I clearly meant "tomorrow". What a goal by Gervinho for Ivory Coast. Sublime. Shame they were so spotty against counter attacks.
It was an impressive goal, but for me, it was nowhere in the same universe as Cahill's. Goals like Gervinho's are scored every World Cup, but I've never seen anything like what Cahill or Van Persie did. But it was great skill on his part, for sure. | Zeruel
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| #35 Posted on 19.6.14 1916.09
Reposted on: 19.6.21 1917.13 | Group C what-if scenarios
Colombia 2-0-0 5GF 1GA +4GD 6pts
Ivory Coast 1-0-1 3GF 3GA 0GD 3pts
Japan 0-1-1 1GF 2GA -1GD 1pt
Greece 0-1-1 0GF 3GA -3GD 1pt
Colombia advances
Ivory Coast advances with a: win OR draw (with GD help if Japan beats Colombia)
Japan advances with a: win and Greece win (with GD help over Greece) or draw (and GD help over Ivory Coast)
Greece advances with a: win (with GD help over Japan) and Japan win OR a win and Colombia win or draw
Games left
Japan vs Colombia
Greece vs Ivory Coast
1) Japan beats Colombia, Greece beats Ivory Coast
Colombia 6
Japan 4
Greece 4
Ivory Coast 3
Colombia advances. Japan/Greece advance based on GD (Japan has 2 GD lead, and one more goal for)
2) Colombia beats Japan, Greece beats Ivory Coast
Colombia 9
Greece 4
Ivory Coast 3
Japan 0
Colombia and Greece advance
3) Japan draws Colombia, Greece beats Ivory Coast
Colombia 7
Greece 4
Ivory Coast 3
Japan 2
Colombia and Greece advance
4) Japan beats Colombia, Ivory Coast beats Greece
Colombia 6
Ivory Coast 6
Japan 4
Greece 1
Colombia and Ivory Coast advance (Colombia has 4GD lead on Ivory Coast for 1st place
5) Colombia beats Japan, Ivory Coast beats Greece
Colombia 9
Ivory Coast 6
Greece 1
Japan 0
Colombia and Ivory Coast advance
6) Japan draws Colombia, Ivory Coast beats Greece
Colombia 7
Ivory Coast 6
Greece 1
Japan 2
Colombia and Ivory Coast advance
7) Japan beats Colombia, Greece draws Ivory Coast
Colombia 6
Japan 4
Ivory Coast 4
Greece 2
Colombia advances. Japan/Ivory Coast advance based on GD (If Japan wins by more than 1 goal, they advance, Ivory Coast advances if Japan scores one goal less than Ivory Coast)
8) Colombia beats Japan, Greece draws Ivory Coast
Colombia 9
Ivory Coast 4
Greece 2
Japan 0
Colombia and Ivory Coast advance
9) Japan draws Colombia, Greece draws Ivory Coast
Colombia 7
Ivory Coast 4
Japan 2
Greece 2
Colombia and Ivory Coast advance | Zeruel
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| #36 Posted on 20.6.14 1432.04
Reposted on: 20.6.21 1434.08 | Group D what-if scenarios
Costa Rica 2-0-0 4F 1GA +3GD 6pts
Italy 1-0-1 2GF 2GA 0GD 3pts
Uruguay 1-0-1 3GF 4GA -1GD 3pt
England 0-0-2 2GF 4GA -2GD 0pts
Costa Rica advances
England is eliminated
Italy advances by a: Win or draw with Uruguay
Uruguay advances by a: win over Italy
Costa Rica gets first place unless they lose and Italy/Uruguay winner has higher GD than Costa Rica (If same GD, 1st place goes to side with most GF)
Games left
Italy vs Uruguay
Costa Rica vs England
1) Italy beats Uruguay, Costa Rica beats England
Costa Rica 9 pts
Italy 6 pts
Uruguay 3pts
England 0 pts
Costa Rica and Italy advance
1) Italy beats Uruguay, Costa Rica beats England
Costa Rica 9 pts
Italy 6 pts
Uruguay 3pts
England 0 pts
Costa Rica and Italy advance
2) Uruguay beats Italy, Costa Rica beats England
Costa Rica 9 pts
Uruguay 6pts
Italy 3 pts
England 0 pts
Costa Rica and Uruguay advance
3) Italy draws Uruguay, Costa Rica beats England
Costa Rica 9 pts
Italy 4 pts
Uruguay 4pts
England 0 pts
Costa Rica and Italy advance (Italy beats Uruguay on GD)
4) Italy beats Uruguay, England beats Costa Rica
Costa Rica 6 pts
Italy 6 pts
Uruguay 3pts
England 3 pts
Costa Rica and Italy advance (Costa Rica has +3 GD over Italy for 1st place)
5) Uruguay beats Italy, England beats Costa Rica
Costa Rica 6 pts
Uruguay 6pts
Italy 3 pts
England 3 pts
Costa Rica and Uruguay advance (Costa Rica has a +4 GD over Uruguay for 1st place)
6) Italy draws Uruguay, England beats Costa Rica
Costa Rica 6 pts
Italy 4 pts
Uruguay 4pts
England 3 pts
Costa Rica and Italy advance (Italy beats Uruguay on GD)
7) Italy beats Uruguay, Costa Rica draws England
Costa Rica 7 pts
Italy 6 pts
Uruguay 3pts
England 1 pts
Costa Rica and Italy advance
8) Uruguay beats Italy, Costa Rica draws England
Costa Rica 7 pts
Uruguay 6pts
Italy 3 pts
England 1 pts
Costa Rica and Uruguay advance
9) Italy draws Uruguay, Costa Rica draws England
Costa Rica 7 pts
Italy 4 pts
Uruguay 4pts
England 1 pts
Costa Rica and Italy advance (Italy beats Uruguay on GD)
(edited by Zeruel on 20.6.14 1533)
(edited by Zeruel on 20.6.14 1534) | Zeruel
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| #37 Posted on 21.6.14 0347.52
Reposted on: 21.6.21 0347.57 | Group E What-if scenarios
France 2-0-0 8GF 2GA +6GD 6pts
Ecuador 1-0-1 3GF 3GA 0GD 3pts
Switzerland 1-0-1 4GF 6GA -2GD 3pts
Honduras 0-0-2 1GF 5GA -4GD 0pts
Games remaining
Honduras vs Switzerland
Ecuador vs France
France advances with a: draw OR win and Honduras loss or draw OR win and Honduras win (with GD help) OR a loss and Honduras win or draw
Ecuador advances with a: win (and GD help if Switzerland wins) OR a draw and Switzerland loss or draw OR a loss and Honduras win (with GD help)
Switzerland advances with a: win (and GD help if Ecuador wins) OR a draw and Ecuador loss OR a loss and France win (with GD help)
Honduras advances with a: win and France win (and much GD help)
1) Honduras beats Switzerland, Ecuador beats France
France 6
Ecuador 6
Switzerland 3
Honduras 3
France and Ecuador advance. France takes first unless they lose by 6 or more goals
2) Honduras beats Switzerland, France beats Ecuador
France 9
Ecuador 3
Switzerland 3
Honduras 3
France advances.
Ecuador will have, at most, a -1GD by losing, Honduras has at least a -3GD, and Switzerland at best has a -3GD as well. Honduras needs to make up the -4GD with Ecuador with their win and Ecuador's loss to advance. If both teams have a score line of 1-0, or 1-0 and a loss of 2 goals, Ecuador advances. If Honduras wins 3-0 and Ecuador loses 0-1, Honduras would have 4GF, 5GA, -1GD; and Ecuador would have 3GF, 4GA, -1GA, and Honduras would advance on GF
3) Honduras beats Switzerland, Ecuador draws France
France 7
Ecuador 4
Switzerland 3
Honduras 3
France and Ecuador advance
4) Switzerland beats Honduras, Ecuador beats France
France 6
Ecuador 6
Switzerland 6
Honduras 0
France has, at best a +5GD by losing
Ecuador has, at worse, a +1GD by winning
Switzerland has, at worse, a -1GD by winning
Unless Ecuador wins 6-0 (to advance on GF by having same GD), France advances. Switzerland only advances if they win by 3 goals or more.
If Switzerland wins 3-0, and Ecuador 1-0, Switzerland has 7GF, 6GA, +1GD; Ecuador has 4GF, 3GA, 1GD, and Switzerland would advance on a better GF
5) Switzerland beats Honduras, France beats Ecuador
France 9
Switzerland 6
Ecuador 3
Honduras 0
France and Switzerland advance
6) Switzerland beats Honduras, Ecuador draws France
France 7
Switzerland 6
Ecuador 4
Honduras 0
France and Switzerland advance
7) Honduras draws Switzerland, Ecuador beats France
France 6
Ecuador 6
Switzerland 4
Honduras 1
France and Ecuador advance. France takes first unless they lose by 6 or more goals
8) Honduras draws Switzerland, France beats Ecuador
France 9
Switzerland 4
Ecuador 3
Honduras 1
France and Switzerland advance
9) Honduras draws Switzerland, Ecuador draws France
France 7
Ecuador 4
Switzerland 4
Honduras 1
France and Ecuador advance, as the GDs would not change
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| #38 Posted on 22.6.14 1912.15
Reposted on: 22.6.21 1913.48 | | Crushed | kwik
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| #39 Posted on 22.6.14 2317.44
Reposted on: 22.6.21 2319.42 | Originally posted by texasranger9
Crushed
Eh, giving up the 2 points at basically the buzzer is a disappointment, but in reality, that was not a bad result at all, especially after the first Portugal goal- EVERYONE on defense, and I'm including Tim Howard, wants that one back.
But, if you think about it for a minute, look at the Portuguese celebration- or lack thereof- of what is essentially a miracle point stolen at the death. They NEEDED a win, because they know that, no matter how badly they hammer Ghana in the last game (and that is by far and away not a certainty), the fact of the matter is that their hopes of qualifying for the knockout stage rests solely on the fact that the other game going on is Germany against Germany (Western Branch), in which a draw sees both qualify.
It's not gonna be obvious, but as we get closer to Thursday, EVERYONE is gonna be expecting a draw, and that is what they're most likely gonna get. | Zeruel
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| #40 Posted on 22.6.14 2327.18
Reposted on: 22.6.21 2329.01 | Group F what-if scenarios
Argentina 2-0-0 3GF 1GA +2GD 6pts
Nigeria 1-1-0 1GF 0GA +1GD 4pts
Iran 0-1-1 0GF 1GA -1GD 1pt
Bosnia and Herzegovina 0-0-2 1GF 3GA -2GD 0pts
Argentina advances
Bosnia is eliminated
Nigeria advances with a: win or draw OR loss and Iran loss or draw OR loss and Iran win (draw lots) OR Iran loss or draw
Iran advances with a: win and Nigeria loss (GD or draw lots)
Games left:
Nigeria vs Argentina
Bosnia vs Iran
1) Nigeria beats Argentina, Bosnia beats Iran
Nigeria 7pts
Argentina 6pts
Bosnia 3pts
Iran 1pt
Nigeria and Argentina advance
2) Argentina beats Nigeria, Bosnia beats Iran
Argentina 9pts
Nigeria 4pts
Bosnia 3pts
Iran 1pt
Argentina and Nigeria advance
3) Nigeria draws Argentina, Bosnia beats Iran
Argentina 7pts
Nigeria 5pts
Bosnia 3pts
Iran 1pt
4) Nigeria beats Argentina, Iran beats Bosnia
Nigeria 7pts
Argentina 6pts
Iran 4pts
Bosnia 0pts
Nigeria and Argentina advance
5) Argentina beats Nigeria, Iran beats Bosnia
Argetina 9pts
Nigeria 4pts
Iran 4pts
Bosnia 0pts
Argentina advances
Nigeria would have a 0GD at best, Iran would have a 0GD at worst.
If Iran wins by 2 or more and Nigeria loses, Iran advances.
If Iran wins by 1 and Nigeria loses by 1, both teams have same GD, GF, and their match was a draw. They draw lots.
6) Nigeria draws Argentina, Iran beats Bosnia
Argentina 7pts
Nigeria 5pts
Iran 4pt
Bosnia 0pts
Argentina and Nigeria advance
7) Nigeria beats Argentina, Bosnia draws Iran
Nigeria 7pts
Argentina 6pts
Iran 2pts
Bosnia 1pt
Nigeria and Argentina advance
8) Argentina beats Nigeria, Bosnia draws Iran
Argetina 9pts
Nigeria 4pts
Iran 2pts
Bosnia 1pt
Argentina and Nigeria advances
9) Nigeria draws Argentina, Bosnia draws Iran
Argentina 7pts
Nigeria 5pts
Iran 2pt
Bosnia 1pt
Argentina and Nigeria advance
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