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#21 Posted on 25.2.14 0831.39
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    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely
    8) RIP Mr. Fuji. I'm saddened to learn about his passing and my thoughts and prayers go out to his friends and family.
Guru, please don't limit it to just Amos as the only person who can rate Doc an 11.
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#22 Posted on 25.2.14 0832.15
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So lets see if I got this right:

Hogan has is glory years, then jumps to WCW.
Hogan returns to WWF, then has his glory. Jumps to TNA.
Hogan returns to WWE - will he jump to Jarrett's promotion after his contract expires or once he overstays his welcome?

There's no denying his appeal, but he alwsys seems to come back to WWE - when there are no other options, or when it serves him.
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#23 Posted on 25.2.14 0932.53
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    Originally posted by lotjx
    For all intensive purposes,
Idiot.
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#24 Posted on 25.2.14 0939.42
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    Originally posted by CRZ
      Originally posted by lotjx
      For all intensive purposes,
    Idiot.

This is news to you?
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#25 Posted on 25.2.14 1012.04
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    Originally posted by lotjx
    Let me also say this, I don't want to be the doom and gloom guy.


Whew. For all incests and porpoises, you really had me going there for a while (since 2008, at least).

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#26 Posted on 25.2.14 1022.41
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    Originally posted by CRZ
      Originally posted by lotjx
      For all intensive purposes,
    Idiot.


As usual, you bring class to everything.
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#27 Posted on 25.2.14 1042.38
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By God, that should have been the tag title switch. A superkick during the NAO spiel? A DX chop in the middle of a splash? Jeepers.

Loved Brock selling the pen stab.

Loved the crowd rooting for Cesaro, who was really chucking Big E around. Loved Seth's running dive onto the Wyatt Family.

Hate with a big hate-y hate which hates Emma's theme and dance. No no no. Summer Rae, however, as noted by Regal on Twitter, used an excellent headlock. Those gals could have a nice rivalry.

It's cliche to complain about the announce crew, but they are really horrible. In a different combination, they might work fine, but these three on this show are very ungood.

At least we got Kane/Bryan our of the way. Now we have to have a credible reason for Hunter to accept the challenge and accept it at Mania.

I hope they pre-tape Batista's SmackDown address. I really do. Dave's retort to Orton included a bit where he said the fans say what they think, and it's all real, but no one cares about that. He speaks truth, does Dave.
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#28 Posted on 25.2.14 1118.22
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    Originally posted by lotjx
      Originally posted by CRZ
        Originally posted by lotjx
        For all intensive purposes,
      Idiot.


    As usual, you bring class to everything.


(Pulls up a chair and grabs some popcorn)

I can faithfully say that last night's show was a bit of a bummer overall for what it was supposed to be (did they ever even announce initial subscriber numbers?), but the more I think about it - when was the last time we actually DID get what "we" wanted? When was this magical time when everyone we wanted pushed got that major rub and went over in an intelligent storyline? Because for every Guerrero/Benoit hug with confetti falling, I raise you a Nathan Jones Wrestlemania spin kick. Rose-colored glasses, all of us.

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#29 Posted on 25.2.14 1154.12
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I find it hard to believe that after Elimination Chamber ended with the camera focused in hard on Daniel Bryan, and Michael Cole going off on a spiel about how Bryan got screwed again and how this has to stop sometime, and how not a single mention was made of Orton/Batista for the title as would normally happen after such a title match, that Bryan/HHH is the actual end-game here. And yeah, some will call me naïve for that, but I don't think HHH has that level of an inflated an opinion of himself. And I'm as much a HHHater as anyone else.

For all the jerking around of Bryan there's been, as strongly as he's been booked throughout it all (How many matches has he lost clean in the last 8 months? One, to Bray Wyatt), there's going to be a bigger payoff for this than just a Bryan/HHH match. Bryan beating HHH, and thus earning the right to be inserted into the main event for a triple threat match, would be a fitting end to what will by then be a month odyssey. And lets be honest, it's far from unprecedented. Not only did HHH 'make' Batista at Wrestlemania, but he's also tapped out at Wrestlemania not only to John Cena, but also Chris Benoit in a match where Shawn Michaels was right there to let Triple H lose his title without actually being the one to submit.

They know very well that having a straight-up Orton/Batista title match isn't going to go over well with anyone. Even Orton and Batista themselves should be pushing for some kind of shake-up, because neither of them would want to go out to murder the crowd as that match would. In the end, we'll get what's best for business.

As for actual stuff that happened on Raw, it's nice to see that Emma's starting to catch on after the initial awkward debut coming out of the crowd. Her silly dance works in the same audience-participation vein that the YES! chants and the 'Fandangoing' do. Hopefully now they go forward and just let her have some matches in between the Santino segments, so that she (and Summer Rae) can establish themselves as competitors as well as gimmicks.
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#30 Posted on 25.2.14 1159.15
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    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    By God, that should have been the tag title switch. A superkick during the NAO spiel? A DX chop in the middle of a splash? Jeepers.




Agreed!

As for the credible reason for Hunter to accept Bryan's challenge for WrestleMania... Bryan will have to do something to make Hunter very, very angry.

Or maybe he'll add a stipulation. "I win, I get a World Title match at the end of the night." WrestleMania X style. "You win, I retire."

But yeah, right now it's looking like WWE actually is daft enough to go with a heel vs. heel match for the title at WrestleMania.
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#31 Posted on 25.2.14 1212.02
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Well that was anti-climactic. I can't decide if them stubbornly sticking to their vision of what a milestone WrestleMania should be despite the crowds outright rejecting any plans that don't see Bryan in the main event is stupid or strangely admirable. They're sticking to their guns if nothing else.

I also think that HHH genuinely believes a match (and probable loss) to him at WrestleMania is just as big a deal as closing out the show in the title match. I guess there's still time to give the crowd what they want between now and Mania (either a rehash of WMX with Bryan beating HHH for the right to face the winner of Orton/Batista in the main event or even making it a fatal four-way for the title with Orton/Batista/HHH/Bryan) but at this point, I don't have much faith in them listening to the fanbase.

The WM card just isn't feeling all that inspiring...

Orton/Batista
Taker/Lesnar
HHH/Bryan
Cena/Bray
Usos/NAO
Reigns/Ambrose(/Rollins?)
Big E/Cesaro/Swagger?
Sheamus/Christian?
AJ/Naomi?

Considering they could have so easily wound up with something like...

Cena/Taker
Bryan/Brock - WWE WHC
HHH/Punk (Bryan going for the title and Punk being booked to beat HHH clean would probably have been enough to see him stay til the end of his contract)
Orton/Batista (with the Batista in this timeline actually being liked as he isn't being shoehorned into the spot people want to see Bryan in)
Shield/Wyatts II
Cesaro/Sheamus
Rhodes Brothers/Usos/Swagger and Christian - TLC Tag Title Match
Big E/Barrett - IC Title
AJ/Lita - Divas Title (no idea if Lita would be open to another match but it would make sense given her HOF induction and her being AJs idol).



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#32 Posted on 25.2.14 1216.40
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    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    I'm a trusting person. Put me down for real injury that was not worth justifying the effort of the detail work into faking it


Oh, you're a sweet kid. Of course the stretcher job was scripted into the show. Right down, I guess, to the mumbled "it was that damn single leg, I heard something pop." WHAT'S THE POINT. Who has time to plan a worked Cena hyperextension when you're hiding your WM title match in a 5 minute segment at 9:20.

    Originally posted by Stefonics
    WMXXX, Mr. Fuji leads Bautista to the ring, waving the Philippines flag.


hahaha

Look, it's like this. Batista is Shane Douglas winning the NWA title, he wins and then oh no shockingly turns heel to feud with Daniel Bryan. Except the crowd has already skipped ahead to that step and doesn't care, they're waiting for Bryan to rescue the championship match. The audience is still booking its own Road To Wrestlemania mode story dating back to the Rumble. It's why the end of the PPV was so exciting, because it was depicted as the final straw. But there are apparently differing ideas as to what the final straw is.

The TV portrayal of Daniel Bryan since Royal Rumble has completely changed. Yes Movement, new merch, planted USA Today articles, announcers only talk about him as a brave and tenacious warrior and not a goat troll. I think Daniel Bryan as a cause is in good shape. His match with Triple H, as you can see from last night, is going to be positioned higher than the title match. The match might be great. It might be way too much cerebral assassin Indian deathlock heat before the comeback. Daniel Bryan will win.

But it's still not turning around the excitement level for this Wrestlemania, which, I'll say again, the fans have booked for themselves and/or already been watching (Shield/Wyatts, Cena/Cesaro, Bryan/Orton, Batista/no one).

The consolation prize, as ever, will be the fascination of seeing the crowd rise above hate to find even new levels of hate for Batista. The bar for civil disobedience has been set by "Bootista" followed closely by "we want divas." I feel like if the company is going to try to whistle past the graveyard with "the most controversial championship match ever!" and "away game! for both teams! in an Islamofascist country!" then the next move will have to be chanting "Network sucks."

    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely
    The Macauley Culkin fist pump and "YES!" from Home Alone that he did after Seth Rollins materialized in mid-air to take out the Wyatts was my favorite thing on the whole show


Seth Rollins has been so nice through this whole thing! It'll be kind of sad if Ambrose breaks up Reigns and Rollins' true blue friendship like the mean prom queen character in a teen romance.

    Originally posted by lotjx
    So, enjoy spending $10 a month for a bunch of material you could have gotten for free on YouTube or Dailymotion or anywhere else if Google hard enough.


Why drink bottled water when you've got a puddle and a beach shovel? Suckers.

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#33 Posted on 25.2.14 1223.30
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    Originally posted by Chumpstain
    I find it hard to believe that after Elimination Chamber ended with the camera focused in hard on Daniel Bryan, and Michael Cole going off on a spiel about how Bryan got screwed again and how this has to stop sometime, and how not a single mention was made of Orton/Batista for the title as would normally happen after such a title match, that Bryan/HHH is the actual end-game here. And yeah, some will call me naïve for that, but I don't think HHH has that level of an inflated an opinion of himself. And I'm as much a HHHater as anyone else.

    For all the jerking around of Bryan there's been, as strongly as he's been booked throughout it all (How many matches has he lost clean in the last 8 months? One, to Bray Wyatt), there's going to be a bigger payoff for this than just a Bryan/HHH match. Bryan beating HHH, and thus earning the right to be inserted into the main event for a triple threat match, would be a fitting end to what will by then be a month odyssey. And lets be honest, it's far from unprecedented. Not only did HHH 'make' Batista at Wrestlemania, but he's also tapped out at Wrestlemania not only to John Cena, but also Chris Benoit in a match where Shawn Michaels was right there to let Triple H lose his title without actually being the one to submit.

    They know very well that having a straight-up Orton/Batista title match isn't going to go over well with anyone. Even Orton and Batista themselves should be pushing for some kind of shake-up, because neither of them would want to go out to murder the crowd as that match would. In the end, we'll get what's best for business.

What I'm afraid of is that given there is so much time between now and Mania, the company might feel they have enough time to make Orton/Batista interesting on its own. In six weeks, crowds will still be booing Batista, but will they remember why? IIRC, Green Bay was booing Dave, but not chanting for Bryan. Does the company feel they can play with the heat Dave is getting and let it be its own dynamic and separate it from Bryan? You're still left with the conundrum of making Orton appealing to the NOLA crowd, but I acknowledge the real possibility that they will try to make Orton/Batista work on its own.
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#34 Posted on 25.2.14 1238.48
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    Originally posted by Mr Shh
    IIRC, Green Bay was booing Dave, but not chanting for Bryan.


They were chanting for Punk. That entire segment was a goner. They screwed up the ADR running kick, they gave us that horrible pinfall, Dave was out of air when he was supposed to talk, and the tagline was Dave was gonna be champ whether anyone liked it or not.
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#35 Posted on 25.2.14 1243.53
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I don't want to be THAT GUY, but people seem to be repeatedly referencing Wrestlemania X incorrectly. Both Bret and Lex were getting a title match (ah, the days before triple threats), and a coin toss determined who got their shot first. The match with Owen was to ensure that both Bret and the winner of Lex/Yoko would have to wrestle twice. No one had to win their match to get into the title shot.

(Side note: I had totally forgotten that Lex would have had to face Crush if he lost the coin toss. Glad we got the card we did.)
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#36 Posted on 25.2.14 1250.55
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    Originally posted by ekedolphin
      Originally posted by Matt Tracker
      By God, that should have been the tag title switch. A superkick during the NAO spiel? A DX chop in the middle of a splash? Jeepers.




    Agreed!

    As for the credible reason for Hunter to accept Bryan's challenge for WrestleMania... Bryan will have to do something to make Hunter very, very angry.

    Or maybe he'll add a stipulation. "I win, I get a World Title match at the end of the night." WrestleMania X style. "You win, I retire."

    But yeah, right now it's looking like WWE actually is daft enough to go with a heel vs. heel match for the title at WrestleMania.


I was thinking the same thing re: the stipulation, with a likely Bryan win by sledgehammer-induced DQ.
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#37 Posted on 25.2.14 1253.11
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    Originally posted by Mr Shh
    Does the company feel they can play with the heat Dave is getting and let it be its own dynamic and separate it from Bryan?


Last night definitely seemed like the new m.o. is to take ownership of the phenomenon and turn it into character development for Batista, the hero they neither deserve, need, nor want. But it also had this clearly fed line recited by Lawler, who mused, "In my opinion, what happened when Batista came back and won the Royal Rumble match, it happened to be at the height of Daniel Bryan's popularity, and I think so many of the WWE Universe was hoping for Daniel Bryan to be the winner, and he wasn't even in it." Honesty is the best policy? Or reason to still hang onto the words of the prophecy,


    Well...The Viper Randy Orton, versus The Animal Batista, i.e., top contender, before totally icy haters in NOLA?

    =

    NO! Rather, it'll evolve to include Daniel Bryan! A safe bet that Triple H can't stop it anymore, no worries. YES!
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#38 Posted on 25.2.14 1345.45
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So HHH gets a good luck kiss from Steph, turns around, eats a giant running knee and gets pinned in 18 seconds at Wrestlemania, right?
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#39 Posted on 25.2.14 1358.14
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I wonder if this whole thing is just building to the payoff of Daniel Bryan beating Batista the night after WrestleMania, since that RAW is pretty much when WWE goes "Oh, okay. NOW you can have that thing you wanted."

    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely
    4) So here's what I believe about HHH. I believe that not even he is dumb enough and such a mark for himself that...Hmmm, OK, I believe that not even he is dumb enough to put himself over Bryan at XXX, destroying the crowd for the Taker/Lesnar main event even though he did the wrong thing going over Orton in 2009. But everything wrong with the company can be pinned right on the fact that he believes and has believed and has convinced Vince and Stephanie to believe, since 2004*, the only way any top guy can be made is by going through HHH. And booking it that way for a decade has made it so because they have booked it that way for a decade and it is awful and the only time it ever actually worked was with Batista in 2005 so HHH's brilliant idea in 2014 was "I dunno, let's bring back Batista and do exactly that same shit again with the same guy nine years later?" until the crowd revolted and I feast on the very public sadness of Batista and the imaginary private sadness of HHH, who better tap out at XXX so he has to live with the YOU TAPPED OUT! chant for the rest of his life.


Safe bet seems to be closing the show with Undertaker/Lesnar, as that's the least offensive main event (although Cena/Wyatt is pretty well built in its own right at this point) and The Streak has become such a WrestleMania attraction and crowd pleaser that, with this lineup, might be the way to go.

It's really amazing to me how WWE went from being a company that prided itself on giving the fans what it wanted to what it turned into today. If this were 1995, or even 2005, WWE would be switching gears right now. I remember the last time WWE was in this spot, they had chosen Batista with John Cena being the safe bet for the B-Show's champion and, while Batista and Cena both were successful, the crowds and merchandise sales (and possibly the support of Stephanie or someone backstage), overwhelmingly swung things away from Batista to Cena and, the next year at WrestleMania, it was Cena beating HHH in the main event to course-correct and solidify him as the guy.

And, here we are 8 years later kind of expecting that same sort of change and not really getting it. It's nice that HHH is presumably going to put Daniel Bryan over, but it's clear now that the guy to beat is Cena (or Undertaker at WM if they REALLY want to make a statement) but they've scrambled the whole card up to where they're not going whole-hog with Bryan.


It was cool seeing Reigns and Wyatt get the "main event" (okay, "Brock Lesnar???" was the main event), although it's clear that those guys still need others to really make a showing. But it's coming clear that they'll get there. I just hope Reigns gets to talk more and has a dead wife or Ambrose murders Rollins or something so I know why this guy "Needs to be the Next John Cena" like everyone keeps saying he is. 'Cause I remember Diesel, and every other time someone was "The Next Hulk Hogan" Reigns isn't the next anything until he's given the ball and runs with it.

My money is still on Ambrose, as a Piper/Punkesque figure down the road.

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#40 Posted on 25.2.14 1424.57
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    Originally posted by Big Bad
    So HHH gets a good luck kiss from Steph, turns around, eats a giant running knee and gets pinned in 18 seconds at Wrestlemania, right?


I'll subscribe to the Network on the spot if that happens.
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