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#21 Posted on 13.8.12 1015.03
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I don't think that's the point Big Bad is trying to make, but okay.
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#22 Posted on 13.8.12 1230.46
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    Originally posted by Reverend J Shaft
      Originally posted by Big Bad
      Amusing detail...apparently Ryan turned over years of tax returns to the Romney campaign as part of the vetting process. So tax returns are a crucial part of the VP search but not when actually running for president, eh Mitt?


    I don't think Ryan is too concerned that Romney is going to run several stories ripping him for how rich he is as a result of turning over the returns.


I assume that most everyone already knows he is rich.
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#23 Posted on 13.8.12 1314.38
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    Originally posted by Amos Cochran
    I don't think that's the point Big Bad is trying to make, but okay.


I assumed the point was that Romney is being hypocritical in only releasing two years of his tax returns to the public while Ryan has released many years of returns to the Romney campaign. Let me know if I'm mistaken.

If so, I would argue that the purpose of having Romney's campaign vet a bunch of years of Ryan's returns is vastly different than the purpose (in his perception) would be in having the media pour over a bunch of Romney's returns.

Coincidentally, Ryan's only releasing the same two years of returns to the public that Romney has pledged to, so there's the comparison you should be making.
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#24 Posted on 13.8.12 1501.41
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    Originally posted by Reverend J Shaft


    Coincidentally, Ryan's only releasing the same two years of returns to the public that Romney has pledged to, so there's the comparison you should be making.


Chaney did the same thing by releasing 10 years worth because that is how many Bush released.

Unless Romney releases more years, there is no reason to expect Ryan to release any more to the public.
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#25 Posted on 14.8.12 0614.32
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    Originally posted by Reverend J Shaft


    I assumed the point was that Romney is being hypocritical in only releasing two years of his tax returns to the public while Ryan has released many years of returns to the Romney campaign. Let me know if I'm mistaken.

    If so, I would argue that the purpose of having Romney's campaign vet a bunch of years of Ryan's returns is vastly different than the purpose (in his perception) would be in having the media pour over a bunch of Romney's returns.


You're mistaken. I don' think it's hypocrisy, per se, but it's hard to fathom why Romney's team think they can sell that a decade's worth of tax returns is necessary for him to make a decision on his running mate, but irrelevant when the public are trying to choose their president.
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#26 Posted on 14.8.12 0734.40
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    Originally posted by Amos Cochran
    You're mistaken. I don' think it's hypocrisy, per se, but it's hard to fathom why Romney's team think they can sell that a decade's worth of tax returns is necessary for him to make a decision on his running mate, but irrelevant when the public are trying to choose their president.


I already explained why Romney's campaign believes the two are different. The kooks asking for more returns are just as silly as the kooks asking for Obama's long form birth certificate.
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#27 Posted on 14.8.12 0809.02
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    Originally posted by Reverend J Shaft
      Originally posted by Amos Cochran
      You're mistaken. I don' think it's hypocrisy, per se, but it's hard to fathom why Romney's team think they can sell that a decade's worth of tax returns is necessary for him to make a decision on his running mate, but irrelevant when the public are trying to choose their president.


    I already explained why Romney's campaign believes the two are different. The kooks asking for more returns are just as silly as the kooks asking for Obama's long form birth certificate.


If the tax returns show that Mitt was being paid as Bain's chairman while saying he wasn't, that is a big deal. Considering its a possible felony charge.
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#28 Posted on 14.8.12 0848.19
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    Originally posted by Reverend J Shaft
      Originally posted by Amos Cochran
      You're mistaken. I don' think it's hypocrisy, per se, but it's hard to fathom why Romney's team think they can sell that a decade's worth of tax returns is necessary for him to make a decision on his running mate, but irrelevant when the public are trying to choose their president.


    I already explained why Romney's campaign believes the two are different. The kooks asking for more returns are just as silly as the kooks asking for Obama's long form birth certificate.


No, you just said they believe the two are different. Not why they think they're different.

Given the fact that the guy is running on being an economic saviour, and given the established precedent for releasing a decades' worth of returns, I find it incredibly telling that Romney refuses to do so. I'm not clamouring for him to release them - his unwillingness to do that says about as much as making them public probably would.
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#29 Posted on 14.8.12 1207.00
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    Originally posted by Amos Cochran
    Given the fact that the guy is running on being an economic saviour, and given the established precedent for releasing a decades' worth of returns, I find it incredibly telling that Romney refuses to do so. I'm not clamouring for him to release them - his unwillingness to do that says about as much as making them public probably would.
I have a funny feeling that this "issue" isn't actually a factor in your (or practically anyone's) decision to back a particular candidate in this race!
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#30 Posted on 14.8.12 1229.11
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    Originally posted by CRZ
      Originally posted by Amos Cochran
      Given the fact that the guy is running on being an economic saviour, and given the established precedent for releasing a decades' worth of returns, I find it incredibly telling that Romney refuses to do so. I'm not clamouring for him to release them - his unwillingness to do that says about as much as making them public probably would.
    I have a funny feeling that this "issue" isn't actually a factor in your (or practically anyone's) decision to back a particular candidate in this race!


I disagree. The tax returns are a very simple issue that makes Romney look bad the longer he delays in releasing them. The Obama campaign's knock on Romney is that he's an out-of-touch business raider who is lying through his teeth about economic issues --- and Mitt is playing right into that by not releasing 10+ years of returns, something presidential candidates have seen as routine for decades. It's gotten to the point now where you wonder what the hell is actually in those returns that Romney STILL won't release them despite all this negative press. Romney could've dealt Harry Reid, for instance, a tall glass of STFU Juice by simply releasing his returns and proving Reid's source was full of it. Unless, of course, Reid's source was right, or partially right, and Mitt has paid little to no taxes for the last decade.

Ironically, the first presidential candidate who did the "release a decade or more of tax information" thing was George Romney, Mitt's dad.


    I already explained why Romney's campaign believes the two are different. The kooks asking for more returns are just as silly as the kooks asking for Obama's long form birth certificate.


Not at all the same. A candidate's tax returns are a simple, basic part of the vetting process. It's a "coverup is worse than the crime" situation --- voters don't blink an eye about a candidate's taxes, but it stands out as fishy when a candidate doesn't provide them. Whereas the Obama birth certificate conspiracy has been debunked a hundred times over and the only ones believing Obama is a secret Muslim Kenyan or whatever are closet racists.
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#31 Posted on 14.8.12 1321.21
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Big Bad is pretty dead on. Romeny has walked into a giant trap with the tax returns and Ryan has followed him. Even if there is nothing there, why keep avoiding it unless there is something worse than a felony in there. We already know about the multiple accounts he has in the Caman Islands and other countries. Sure, the Obama team is doing a great job harming him over the head with it, but there comes a point where you need to stop the bleeding and he isn't. Romeny's "Believe in America" campaign is a joke when its "Believe in America, but for the love of God don't invest in it or have money here."

Sure, this week will be about Ryan maybe with the announcement of Christie being the Keynote speaker will take some shine off it. But, eventually the Obama Team or even the media is going to go back to the tax returns if people like Reid and others keep making a big deal out of it. Even having admitting Ryan gave ten years and only going to release two years is a giant story.

Again, I am not sure why the hell Romney picked this guy. He is already saying he doesn't agree with Ryan's plan since day one and yeah may and I use the term may get Wisconsin, but he could be sacrificing Florida and Ohio to get it. I just don't get this pick besides appeasing the Tea Party, who are going to vote for Romney anyway and if they find out more about Ryan may become more leery. He has been around a long time and has a lot of votes like TARP that are just not going to sit well.

Maybe tax returns won't be the deciding on who votes for what. I find Romney to be an uncharismatic Lex Luthor who like Lex is rich, uncaring and seems to get out of dodge before he totally gets his ass kicked. Yet, this issue is not helping him in battleground states and having Ryan follow his leader makes him look like younger brother Mitt than anything elese.
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#32 Posted on 14.8.12 1734.28
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Man, Sarah Palin last time and now Paul Ryan.

What is it with the GOP and running empty suits and empty heads for VP?
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#33 Posted on 15.8.12 0331.36
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I think Ryan is absolutely a Sarah Palin pick. Not in terms of substance of intelligence - as much I dislike Ryan, he's ten times readier for the job than Palin was or is now - but in that he seems to be a GOP pick to stabilise the base and play to the hard Right rather than a pick Romney himself is enthused by.
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#34 Posted on 15.8.12 0431.22
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Really though, does there appear to be anything Mitt is enthused by? Every time I see him speaking he just seems resigned to his fate.
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#35 Posted on 15.8.12 0653.03
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    Originally posted by Amos Cochran
    I think Ryan is absolutely a Sarah Palin pick. Not in terms of substance of intelligence - as much I dislike Ryan, he's ten times readier for the job than Palin was or is now - but in that he seems to be a GOP pick to stabilise the base and play to the hard Right rather than a pick Romney himself is enthused by.


First, This pick is no Palin. Even though I disagree with much of his philosophy, he actually has a record, puts forth his ideas, seems to have actually put some thought into things and is willing to debate issues.

And of course it is to stabilize the base.
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