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#1 Posted on 11.8.12 1911.15
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Inspired pick as a VP candidate? Yet another mistake by the Romney campaign? Or are you confused and think it's the guy from the Tom Clancy novels?
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#2 Posted on 11.8.12 1929.07
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He's not a bad pick, but Ryan won't move the numbers like a Rubio would. But not a Palin

Ryan is the architect of the Conservative Budget, so expect that to be be picked apart in detail by the Left. Anytime the Right touches Medicare, they lose.

Ryan is pro gay - which ain't Conservative

Ryan voted YES on TARP - which ain't Conservative

Worst of all, he shows up at these events looking like he just woke up off a park bench. Stylist needed

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#3 Posted on 11.8.12 1935.20
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    Originally posted by Big Bad
    Or are you confused and think it's the guy from the Tom Clancy novels?


I was confused, but not with that guy. People were tweeting along the lines of "Paul as VP" and I was living in a reality where Ron Paul (or maybe Rand Paul) was on the ticket. The campaign became a lot less interesting when I found the full name.
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#4 Posted on 11.8.12 2025.40
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I also thought he was Rand Paul for a few minutes til I saw it was a guy more heartless when it comes to the old, middle class and poor. While, something will need to be done about medicare, the real problem is the defense budget that is keeping us underwater and will for a long time if not ever. So, I find his budget laughable at best, a disaster at worst. And since that is the only thing about him that makes him, appealing, I am not sure why this would appeal to the independent voters out there or even some Catholic voters since the church blasted it as well. It might rally the tea party, but lets all be honest here, those people were going to vote Romney anyway.

I agree with Ryder, Rubio would have done more. He would have given Romeny an edge in Florida as well as make some states with large Hispanic population. Ryan may give him Wisconsin, but even that is not for certain. Even when they voted to keep Walker, they got rid of a bunch of Republicans and exit polls showed a large support for Obama just not for the recall. I suspect the Koch Brothers to pour money into Wisconsin to get that 10 electoral points, maybe. I have heard the odds of Obama winning actually went up after the announcement.

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#5 Posted on 11.8.12 2054.21
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    Originally posted by RYDER FAKIN
    Ryan is pro gay - which ain't Conservative


He's voted for nearly every anti-LGBT rights bill that's been put forth, including the Constitutional Amendment banning gay marriage.

I only say 'nearly' because there *might* be some WI bill about which I am not aware.

So... no, he's not really all that "pro-gay".



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#6 Posted on 11.8.12 2056.30
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    Originally posted by RYDER FAKIN
    Ryan is pro gay - which ain't Conservative


He's voted for nearly every anti-LGBT rights bill that's been put forth, including the Constitutional Amendment banning gay marriage.

I only say 'nearly' because there *might* be some WI bill about which I am not aware.

So... no, he's not really all that "pro-gay".

Edit: All I did was edit the original post. I have no idea how I posted twice. EASTER EGG!!!

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#7 Posted on 11.8.12 2107.01
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What? Here I was thinking it was the democrats, and their President that just cut half a trillion from the Medicare budget, while swelling the number of people stuck using it.

Gee that Paul Ryan sure must be a horrible guy.
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#8 Posted on 11.8.12 2123.14
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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    What? Here I was thinking it was the democrats, and their President that just cut half a trillion from the Medicare budget, while swelling the number of people stuck using it.

    Gee that Paul Ryan sure must be a horrible guy.


Its better than the entire thing which is what Ryan wants to do. Also, the reason the numbers are swelling is due to time something no president can control. Giving voucher is idiotic, its the same nonsense of putting Social Security in the stock market back in the 90s, which was another GOP idea. Thank God, we didn't do that. A $15,000 voucher wouldn't cover one cancer treatment let alone the pills. Trust me, I know.
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#9 Posted on 11.8.12 2140.25
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    Originally posted by Leroy
      Originally posted by RYDER FAKIN
      Ryan is pro gay - which ain't Conservative


    He's voted for nearly every anti-LGBT rights bill that's been put forth, including the Constitutional Amendment banning gay marriage.

    I only say 'nearly' because there *might* be some WI bill about which I am not aware.

    So... no, he's not really all that "pro-gay".

    Edit: All I did was edit the original post. I have no idea how I posted twice. EASTER EGG!!!

    (edited by Leroy on 11.8.12 2159)


I wondered why you posted twice!


Click Here (thefiscaltimes.com)

Ryan: “They didn’t roll out of bed one morning and choose to be gay. That’s who they are,”

I don't disagree with that, but it's ammmo for the left

FLEA



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#10 Posted on 11.8.12 2358.23
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    Originally posted by lotjx

    Its better than the entire thing which is what Ryan wants to do. Also, the reason the numbers are swelling is due to time something no president can control. Giving voucher is idiotic, its the same nonsense of putting Social Security in the stock market back in the 90s, which was another GOP idea. Thank God, we didn't do that. A $15,000 voucher wouldn't cover one cancer treatment let alone the pills. Trust me, I know.


http://www.factcheck.org/2012/07/no-end-to-end-medicare-claim/


Yeah, about that...........
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#11 Posted on 12.8.12 0656.02
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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
      Originally posted by lotjx

      Its better than the entire thing which is what Ryan wants to do. Also, the reason the numbers are swelling is due to time something no president can control. Giving voucher is idiotic, its the same nonsense of putting Social Security in the stock market back in the 90s, which was another GOP idea. Thank God, we didn't do that. A $15,000 voucher wouldn't cover one cancer treatment let alone the pills. Trust me, I know.


    http://www.factcheck.org/​2012/​07/​no-​end-​to-​end-​medicare-​claim/​


    Yeah, about that...........


Yeah, the only thing that seemed to change was it was going to be implemented in 2023 instead of 2022. The article does point, its going to cost seniors more and raising the age to 67. Its a terrible plan.
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#12 Posted on 12.8.12 1308.38
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Nobody ON medicare will see a raise in price. People not on it YET, will have plans available to them for them to choose from. If, and ONLY if the plan they choose costs more than the federal payment to the insurers, will the beneficiary have to pay out of pocket.

Yeah, that just sounds horrible.

BTW, who's really hurting medicare?
http://youtu.be/JotmCSkJAqE


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#13 Posted on 12.8.12 1347.24
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The article states the CBO believes it will go up. Also, if the budget doesn't cut the military, its a joke. We spend a large amount on military bases and projects that at the end of the day are useless. Until they address that massive problem, then picking on medicare and social security is just picking on the old, poor and disadvantaged.
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#14 Posted on 12.8.12 1612.36
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Lets see, what do the facts say? Oh, as a nation, we spend more on Education, Medical care and pensions than we do on the military.(Not to mention, it's the only thing of those four that are actually authorized in the constitution)


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Yep, seems like a "massive problem".



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#15 Posted on 12.8.12 1636.37
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http://en.wikipedia.org/​wiki/​Military_​budget_​of_​the_​United_​States

2010, said we spent the same percentage on social security and 3 percent more on medicare. Which makes it the third highest department spent on. Now part of the defense budget going down probably has to do with us getting out of Iraqi. That is a budget, I can live with. It also pretty well noted that our surplus from the 90s was lost on military spending for the Middle Eastern wars. And yeah, it is a massive problem.

Ryan has stated he will increase the defense budget thus we will go back to the 2010 if not worse.

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#16 Posted on 12.8.12 1732.38
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Amusing detail...apparently Ryan turned over years of tax returns to the Romney campaign as part of the vetting process. So tax returns are a crucial part of the VP search but not when actually running for president, eh Mitt?
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#17 Posted on 12.8.12 1821.21
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#18 Posted on 12.8.12 1949.45
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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    Lets see, what do the facts say? Oh, as a nation, we spend more on Education, Medical care and pensions than we do on the military.(Not to mention, it's the only thing of those four that are actually authorized in the constitution)


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    Yep, seems like a "massive problem".



    (edited by StaggerLee on 12.8.12 1613)


FYI, that graph you pulled includes state and local government spending, so that's a bit misleading.
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#19 Posted on 13.8.12 0017.54
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I've never heard of the guy but when I saw a pic of him on Yahoo, my only reaction was: "Weird, I would have gone with a Cardassian over a Vorta."

It must be his hair.

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#20 Posted on 13.8.12 0713.37
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    Originally posted by Big Bad
    Amusing detail...apparently Ryan turned over years of tax returns to the Romney campaign as part of the vetting process. So tax returns are a crucial part of the VP search but not when actually running for president, eh Mitt?


I don't think Ryan is too concerned that Romney is going to run several stories ripping him for how rich he is as a result of turning over the returns.
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