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#1 Posted on 18.6.04 1502.23
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Paul Johnson was beheaded today. When is this gonna end?

http://www.cnn.com/ 2004/WORLD/meast/06/18/ saudi.kidnap/index.html
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#2 Posted on 18.6.04 1529.32
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I think that it's put up or shut up time for the Saudis. I know they sent a massive amount of security forces around the city trying to find Mr. Johnson, but have they done anything before this incident to help stop terrorism in their country? It seems to me that they tell Bush one thing, and then tell their own people another thing. I know its a fundamentalist government, and I know that there are a lot of crazies in the country, so why do we continue to believe what they tell us? I really hope that the Saudis do "redouble" their efforts to stop terrorism, as Colin Powell has said, but I can't see them doing it.

Westerners in Saudi Arabia are saying that they are scared to talk to government officials and police officers, because rumors are going around that many of them are on the take, and are helping the terrorists find Americans to kidnap and kill. Supposedly, Johnson was followed for days before his kidnapping, and they waited for the right time to snatch him.

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#3 Posted on 18.6.04 2143.24
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Well, maybe this is at least something positive:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/ news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/ 20040619/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ saudi_kidnapped_american& cid=540&ncid=716
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#4 Posted on 18.6.04 2156.27
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And as cruel as it sounds you can't have the families begging for mercy on Arab TV and acting all bent out of shape. We have to quit giving them the reaction they want. They know we value life and play off of that. I feel truly awful for the family and understand why they did what they did but its exactly what these bastards want.
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#5 Posted on 18.6.04 2233.10
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Well... you aren't getting me to go work in Saudi Arabia or Iraq, that's for damn sure.

We need to find Osama and al-Zarqawi, and we need to kill them. Screw the military tribunals, screw due process just this once... we need to put a cap in their motherfuckin' heads.
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#6 Posted on 19.6.04 0226.43
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    Originally posted by ekedolphin
    Well... you aren't getting me to go work in Saudi Arabia or Iraq, that's for damn sure.

    We need to find Osama and al-Zarqawi, and we need to kill them. Screw the military tribunals, screw due process just this once... we need to put a cap in their motherfuckin' heads.


Isn't that the direction America should have gone in the first place? When did we get sidetracked on Saddam Hussein?
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#7 Posted on 19.6.04 0821.17
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    Originally posted by DrDirt
    And as cruel as it sounds you can't have the families begging for mercy on Arab TV and acting all bent out of shape. We have to quit giving them the reaction they want. They know we value life and play off of that. I feel truly awful for the family and understand why they did what they did but its exactly what these bastards want.


I understand what you are saying, but it does gain some sympathy in the Arab world. I know the terrorists want to see us beg for mercy, but the why can't begging help us? The Arabs might see that we're human, instead of the monsters that we seem to be portrayed as so often. Plus, this guy had a Saudi wife, and, by all accounts, was a well liked man who loved Saudi Arabia. I don't think portraying him, his family, and Americans as humans hurts us in any way.
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#8 Posted on 19.6.04 1151.36
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    Originally posted by It's False
      Originally posted by ekedolphin
      Well... you aren't getting me to go work in Saudi Arabia or Iraq, that's for damn sure.

      We need to find Osama and al-Zarqawi, and we need to kill them. Screw the military tribunals, screw due process just this once... we need to put a cap in their motherfuckin' heads.


    Isn't that the direction America should have gone in the first place? When did we get sidetracked on Saddam Hussein?


I can't remember, but wasn't it Jakegnosis that quit the Rangers partly because he was pissed that Bush didn't send 'em in specifically to find and kill Osama?

I'm sorry, I'd much rather have Osama in custody (or dead!) than Saddam and his sons.

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#9 Posted on 19.6.04 2245.59
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    Originally posted by Roy.
      Originally posted by DrDirt
      And as cruel as it sounds you can't have the families begging for mercy on Arab TV and acting all bent out of shape. We have to quit giving them the reaction they want. They know we value life and play off of that. I feel truly awful for the family and understand why they did what they did but its exactly what these bastards want.


    I understand what you are saying, but it does gain some sympathy in the Arab world. I know the terrorists want to see us beg for mercy, but the why can't begging help us? The Arabs might see that we're human, instead of the monsters that we seem to be portrayed as so often. Plus, this guy had a Saudi wife, and, by all accounts, was a well liked man who loved Saudi Arabia. I don't think portraying him, his family, and Americans as humans hurts us in any way.


I don't really disagree, it's just that to these nutjobs we appear weak and vulnerable when we do that. To them life is cheap and they play on the fact that to us it isn't
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#10 Posted on 22.6.04 1332.06
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Thought I would add this article from USAToday. Basically, it is an cleric who states that the Koran does not talk about beheadings anywhere and it even states that people should take a "higher road" against enemies

http://www.usatoday.com/ usatonline/20040621/6303279s.htm


Well, we do have South Korea sending more troops in. That is a group of people I wouldn't wanna mess with. They don't have the liberals/beaucratic red tape there that we do.I wouldn't be too shocked if a few of these Al-Queda leaders just are "never found".
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