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| #1 Posted on 15.11.16 2355.47 Reposted on: 15.11.23 2357.22 | Main news item: Miz regained the I-C from Ziggler, so it'll be him defending against Zayn on Sunday.
Oney Lorcan(Biff Busick) made his Smackdown debut in a loss to Kalisto.
Edge interviewed Smackdown's team and Taker showed up, telling them that they'd better win. Never knew I wanted Styles-Taker until now. Promote this thread! | | Quezzy
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| #2 Posted on 16.11.16 0921.39 Reposted on: 16.11.23 0923.44 | All I've seen of this show so far is the clips of the Edge/Taker stuff and the thing that stuck out to me most was AJ's scared reaction to Taker. Great stuff, I'd like to see that too. The dirt sheets (take it with a grain of salt) are saying that UT's WM opponent will be the person that costs Smackdown the match so maybe they really are setting up Taker vs. AJ? He's already wrestled Orton, Bray and Shane and I don't know if they'd put Ambrose in that spot after Lesnar/Ambrose didn't go well. If that's the case, win or lose, AJ has been the winner of the brand split so far.
As for the Miz winning the IC title? Eh. It feels like they just hotshot the title to Miz to get heel vs. face match up at Survivor Series but, as good as the Miz has been, as a one off match I was more interested in Ziggler vs. Zayn. | kellogs
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| #3 Posted on 16.11.16 1000.26 Reposted on: 16.11.23 1004.50 | If they aren't going for Taker v Cena at Mania then AJ makes sense and will be interesting. Seeming as they haven't done the Cena match yet I would assume that means they are never going to do it. Maybe Taker beats AJ at the Rumble so they can do the Cena match and Cena can get the magical number they have been talking about quite a lot recently. Could make people interested in Mania?
Miz winning was unexpected and makes it look like Ziggler only won the title so they could do the retirement match and wanted to go back to what they had. Maryse must be very strong to have been able to easily roll them over!
Bayley joining in the beatdown was stupid and didn't work at all. Huggers wouldn't do that. | PowerPB13
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| #4 Posted on 16.11.16 1019.35 Reposted on: 16.11.23 1019.53 | I was thinking Styles-Taker at the Rumble to give them their big draw for the Alamo Dome. I imagine it depends on HBK's mood in the upcoming months. | Dr Unlikely
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| #5 Posted on 16.11.16 1259.32 Reposted on: 16.11.23 1259.57 | Everything about Survivor Series, from a booking perspective, has been a mess. There's no reason for anyone but Shane/Bryan and Stephanie/Foley to care about Raw vs. Smackdown as a thing, and yet we're being asked to buy people putting aside blood feuds and/or compromising their own ethics/weird demon logic for it. And yet and yet, it's not so important that John Cena can be bothered to show up, or the Undertaker - who comes back, says "I'm back full time baby and I loooooove Smackdown!" - to take the extra spot on Smackdown's team in the most important match.
But...the prospect of AJ vs. Undertaker is one of those dream matches I never even considered possibilities. And the possibility of AJ vs. Lesnar/Joe vs. Lesnar/Nakamura vs. Lesnar/Nakamura vs. Undertaker are all still tantalizingly possible over the next few months, and it's just enough to keep me hanging on by a thread. | andy1278
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| #6 Posted on 16.11.16 1628.40 Reposted on: 16.11.23 1629.01 | Sorry, I still can't buy Undertaker's nods to Shane as a respected equal competitor.
Bayley joining in the beatdown definitely didn't fit at all.
James Ellingsworth never thought he'd share a ring with Taker. | Rudoublesedoublel
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| #7 Posted on 16.11.16 1954.07 Reposted on: 16.11.23 1956.37 | Originally posted by Dr Unlikely Everything about Survivor Series, from a booking perspective, has been a mess. There's no reason for anyone but Shane/Bryan and Stephanie/Foley to care about Raw vs. Smackdown as a thing, and yet we're being asked to buy people putting aside blood feuds and/or compromising their own ethics/weird demon logic for it. And yet and yet, it's not so important that John Cena can be bothered to show up, or the Undertaker - who comes back, says "I'm back full time baby and I loooooove Smackdown!" - to take the extra spot on Smackdown's team in the most important match.
But...the prospect of AJ vs. Undertaker is one of those dream matches I never even considered possibilities. And the possibility of AJ vs. Lesnar/Joe vs. Lesnar/Nakamura vs. Lesnar/Nakamura vs. Undertaker are all still tantalizingly possible over the next few months, and it's just enough to keep me hanging on by a thread.
I agree 110%. They should "give the winning team a cash prize" or a title shot or a puppy or .... | Dr Unlikely
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| #8 Posted on 17.11.16 0833.34 Reposted on: 17.11.23 0836.11 | Originally posted by Rudoublesedoublel
Originally posted by Dr Unlikely Everything about Survivor Series, from a booking perspective, has been a mess. There's no reason for anyone but Shane/Bryan and Stephanie/Foley to care about Raw vs. Smackdown as a thing, and yet we're being asked to buy people putting aside blood feuds and/or compromising their own ethics/weird demon logic for it. And yet and yet, it's not so important that John Cena can be bothered to show up, or the Undertaker - who comes back, says "I'm back full time baby and I loooooove Smackdown!" - to take the extra spot on Smackdown's team in the most important match.
But...the prospect of AJ vs. Undertaker is one of those dream matches I never even considered possibilities. And the possibility of AJ vs. Lesnar/Joe vs. Lesnar/Nakamura vs. Lesnar/Nakamura vs. Undertaker are all still tantalizingly possible over the next few months, and it's just enough to keep me hanging on by a thread.
I agree 110%. They should "give the winning team a cash prize" or a title shot or a puppy or ....
Other possibilities: -winning brand gets the Main Event slot at WrestleMania (making the Survivor Series main event essentially feel like the MLB All-Star Game where winner gets "home advantage) -winning brand gets more Rumble spots -Survivors of the winning team are the only people eligible for the #30 spot in the Rumble (which we know isn't worth much, but pragmatically and in kayfabe is still something you'd want)
Which makes me wonder: Have they even considered what the brand split means for the Rumble yet? Do we get a Raw Rumble and Smackdown Rumble? One Rumble, but only one title can be chosen? One Rumble and winner gets to pick which title he goes for? One Rumble and winner automatically fights for their brand's title?
The last one would actually open up a new and kind of interesting strategic wrinkle...let's say there are four Raw guys and two Smackdown guys in the Rumble at a given time: do they stick together by brand, or does it benefit you to get the people competing for your title shot out faster, making you numerically less of a "threat" to the other brand's people and a lower priority to eliminate? I could see that being a great Rumble plot for a guy like Miz, constantly turning on Smackdown guys to ally with Raw guys, who don't have to compete with him directly until the Rumble's end game.
(Given recent Rumble booking, my guess is...they haven't considered how they're booking the Rumble yet outside "is Roman winning or not?") | Kevintripod
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| #9 Posted on 17.11.16 0934.59 Reposted on: 17.11.23 0935.00 | Originally posted by andy1278 James Ellingsworth never thought he'd share a ring with Taker.
Or having Edge proclaim his respect for him. | Chumpstain
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| #10 Posted on 17.11.16 1129.40 Reposted on: 17.11.23 1130.08 | As Edge said afterwards on Talking Smack, they're polar opposites in terms of chin. Ellsworth doesn't have one, while Edge's chin is capable of digging ditches. | PowerPB13
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| #11 Posted on 17.11.16 1349.06 Reposted on: 17.11.23 1354.32 | Originally posted by Dr Unlikely (Given recent Rumble booking, my guess is...they haven't considered how they're booking the Rumble yet outside "is Roman winning or not?")
"Or not"...that's adorable. | EddieBurkett
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| #12 Posted on 17.11.16 1354.53 Reposted on: 17.11.23 1359.01 | Originally posted by Dr Unlikely Other possibilities: -winning brand gets the Main Event slot at WrestleMania (making the Survivor Series main event essentially feel like the MLB All-Star Game where winner gets "home advantage)
To play off this and your other Rumble ideas, they should do the Rumble as a single brand PPV, except for the Rumble match itself which is EVERYONE from the other brand (so all the matches would be Raw but the Rumble match would be 30 Smackdown wrestlers). They could decide which brand gets the Rumble match based off who wins Survivor Series. So if you want the title shot at Wrestlemania, first you have to help your brand win at SS. Then you have to win the Rumble.
Edit: I may be naive in assuming either brand can field 30 competitive wrestlers.
(edited by EddieBurkett on 17.11.16 1455) | lotjx
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| #13 Posted on 17.11.16 2145.02 Reposted on: 17.11.23 2145.20 | Originally posted by EddieBurkett
Originally posted by Dr Unlikely Other possibilities: -winning brand gets the Main Event slot at WrestleMania (making the Survivor Series main event essentially feel like the MLB All-Star Game where winner gets "home advantage)
To play off this and your other Rumble ideas, they should do the Rumble as a single brand PPV, except for the Rumble match itself which is EVERYONE from the other brand (so all the matches would be Raw but the Rumble match would be 30 Smackdown wrestlers). They could decide which brand gets the Rumble match based off who wins Survivor Series. So if you want the title shot at Wrestlemania, first you have to help your brand win at SS. Then you have to win the Rumble.
Edit: I may be naive in assuming either brand can field 30 competitive wrestlers.
(edited by EddieBurkett on 17.11.16 1455)
Raw could come the close to 30 without it being a hassle. Jericho, Roman, Rollins, Owens, New Day, Bullet Club, Sheamus, Cesaro, Sami, Enzo and Cass, Stromnan, Lesnar, Goldberg, cruiserweights and a few surprise entries could do it. Smackdown has zero chance. | InVerse
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| #14 Posted on 18.11.16 1129.11 Reposted on: 18.11.23 1131.20 | Originally posted by lotjx Smackdown has zero chance.
Smackdown currently has 32 men on the roster, not counting Undertaker or Shane McMahon.
Of those 32, 19 have been in previous Royal Rumble matches and 13 have not.
Of those 13, 7 of them are NXT call-ups who weren't on the main roster last January: Aiden English, Apollo Crews, Baron Corbin, Chad Gable, Jason Jordan, Mojo Rawley, and Simon Gotch. I wouldn't find any of them out of place in a split-roster Rumble, let alone a Smackdown exclusive Rumble.
Of the other 6, two of them (Curt Hawkins, Kalisto) have wrestled on the PPV, just not in the actual Rumble match. The Ascension wrestled in the dark match of the only PPV they've been on the roster for.
That only leaves 2 others: Mikey and James Ellsworth. I'd be willing to bet money that James Ellsworth will be in the next Royal Rumble. Mikey would be fine fodder.
So that makes 32 men Smackdown could use to hold a brand-specific Rumble match. And that's not even including the surprise entrants that are a staple of the event. | ALL ORIGINAL POSTS IN THIS THREAD ARE NOW AVAILABLE |
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