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#1 Posted on 13.1.15 0627.15
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OH NO WHAT WOULD THE WWE DO IF THE CHAMPION WASN'T ON RAW!?
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#2 Posted on 13.1.15 0714.29
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We have a WWE Champion? When did this happen? All kidding aside, this was bad. Not as bad as last week, but it was not good. They wasted one of their Brock appearances opposite of the most must see football game this year not named the Super Bowl. There was no need for Lesnar to come out this week when next week would be fine.

Speaking of wasted, Dean Ambrose. A few months ago, he was the sure lock to be the man during this time of year. Instead, he loses to probably make someone who is less interesting look strong going into Mania. Kane/Bryan will be a fine match, but there is a bunch of guys who could work with Bryan like Barrett or anyone not named Kane.

Cena trying to get #AuthoritySucks going online is sad. Just very very sad. I am so glad we spent an entire Raw on Naomi. As someone who doesn't watch Total Divas is there a reason for this, I mean any of this?
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#3 Posted on 13.1.15 0744.45
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Funny thing is, I noticed that Ambrose (still) got a huge pop when he came out to help Reigns on Smackdown.
Even after all the jobbing and silly antics he's much easier to enjoy than a guy like Reigns or even Ziggler.

Mizdow to me is starting to get stale. I hope they freshen it up by having him act on his own soon.

Oh and Bryan vs Kane makes sense.
Kane is the guy that "injured" him, doesn't need to be protected in stories and is a safe worker.

So..did Cena actually get authoritysucks trending?
I haven't checked.

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#4 Posted on 13.1.15 0749.09
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The opening promo with Cena was cringe-worthy, as was Roman Reigns' "story". Someone please give him a mouthpiece.

Dean Ambrose was fantastic in his set with the doctor. Too bad we couldn't get Dr. Shelby for that.

I believe yesterday was the first time I've heard Damien Sandow speak in months.
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#5 Posted on 13.1.15 0809.43
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WHY DIDN'T ROLLINS PIN BROCK?! Some architect.

Oh hey, Daniel Bryan vs. Kane. In case, you missed the last two years.

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#6 Posted on 13.1.15 0830.40
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    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    WHY DIDN'T ROLLINS PIN BROCK?! Some architect.


If Rollins cashes in on Brock, that's technically a "match" and thus another big paycheck via Lesnar's contract. If I'm not mistaken, Brock's deal only has two matches left --- the Rumble and Wrestlemania.
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#7 Posted on 13.1.15 0831.45
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    Originally posted by Tenken347
    OH NO WHAT WOULD THE WWE DO IF THE CHAMPION WASN'T ON RAW!?
Nailed it in one! This probably should have been the only post in this week's thread.

Rollins not cashing in then actually, for once, made perfect, airtight logical sense: he had just signed a contract locking him into a three-way title match vs. Cena and Lesnar in two weeks. To cash in and go in as champion with no insurance policy, rather than go in with, functionally, two title shots and no need to pin Lesnar, would have been incredibly dumb.

Had he let Cena bait Lesnar into signing and then goaded them into fighting (as he did) and then cashed in, trapping Brock/Cena in a non-title match with Rollins free to defend the belt against and Authority-picked opponent, that would have truly been worthy of his M.Arch.

Rolins is still super great, by the way. Just want to keep saying that to highlight the only ultra-talented guy being properly used at the moment. Do we assume now that Lesnar retains and Orton stops the cash-in to set up Rollins/Orton at Wrestlemania? Not bringing Orton back for all these weeks where it would have been a great moment and then bringing him back to get thrown out of the Rumble doesn't feel big enough.

Very Important Question: Given that we've seen no reason to connect The Ascension with The Authority and that JBL was openly questioning why and how Ascension is getting these jobber matches when no one else is...are we getting an "Ascension is a tool of the Illuminati in their quest to gain a foothold in wrestling" angle? Can we please get that angle?

Mixed feelings about Bryan getting saddled with Kane again. I mean, you gotta do it, and if it's just what you do with him in the two weeks before he wins the Rumble, cool. If he's not winning the Rumble, though, man...

Also, #MagicBeans.
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#8 Posted on 13.1.15 0847.09
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    Originally posted by Big Bad
      Originally posted by Matt Tracker
      WHY DIDN'T ROLLINS PIN BROCK?! Some architect.


    If Rollins cashes in on Brock, that's technically a "match" and thus another big paycheck via Lesnar's contract. If I'm not mistaken, Brock's deal only has two matches left --- the Rumble and Wrestlemania.


Shouldn't that be incentive enough to pin him then? I mean wouldn't it mean we get rid of him sooner? (I realise this isn't how it works but I can dream, can't I)
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#9 Posted on 13.1.15 0856.06
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    Originally posted by Big Bad
      Originally posted by Matt Tracker
      WHY DIDN'T ROLLINS PIN BROCK?! Some architect.


    If Rollins cashes in on Brock, that's technically a "match" and thus another big paycheck via Lesnar's contract. If I'm not mistaken, Brock's deal only has two matches left --- the Rumble and Wrestlemania.


I understand the WWE's reason for Rollins leaving him there. What's Rollins's in-story reason?

We can write Rollins's promo for next week. We know the formula. "I want to wait for The Rumble. I wanted to make a statement. It'll be sweeter when I leave you two laying twice AGAIN. It's all part of the plan. By me. THE ARCHITECT."

Still. He has the MITB. The champ has eaten two finishers, one through a table. Rollins could keep the belt at the Rumble by taking a count-out or DQ. It's easier for him to pin Lesnar right here in this very ring.

Maybe a PPV contract supersedes the MITB contract and Brock can't defend his belt from the time he signs it until the Jan. 25 event. I dunno.
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#10 Posted on 13.1.15 0858.47
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    Originally posted by wannaberockstar
      Originally posted by Big Bad
        Originally posted by Matt Tracker
        WHY DIDN'T ROLLINS PIN BROCK?! Some architect.


      If Rollins cashes in on Brock, that's technically a "match" and thus another big paycheck via Lesnar's contract. If I'm not mistaken, Brock's deal only has two matches left --- the Rumble and Wrestlemania.


    Shouldn't that be incentive enough to pin him then? I mean wouldn't it mean we get rid of him sooner? (I realise this isn't how it works but I can dream, can't I)


No, because Brock signed the triple threat contract, he'll be in the championship match regardless. So instead of going in as the challenger (and not having to pin the champ), Rollins wouldn't have his Plan B. Rollins odds of walking out of the Rumble with the title are a much higher as-is than if he picked up the title earlier.

Also, Rollins is the MVP for the show. Full stop.

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#11 Posted on 13.1.15 0859.23
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WWE triple threat matches are no-countout-no-DQ by defintion, so no cheap way out of that kind of match.
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#12 Posted on 13.1.15 0906.26
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    Originally posted by PowerPB13
    WWE triple threat matches are no-countout-no-DQ by defintion, so no cheap way out of that kind of match.


Even better. Rollins sends out Kane, Show, the Stooges, and maybe even Triple H to avenge that great "I conquered him" crack.

I'll admit I'm preoccupied by the diminution of the MITB case in Rollins's rise to the main event. He can't challenge a champ who's never there, and once he aligned with the Authority he never needed it to gain the upper hand. Kane proved this advantage was still viable when Ziggler's match was changed so Wade could take his belt.

A lot of things have been misused in this angle: Brock, the unified title, the MITB. And last night proved that even when all three are in the same ring, they still can't book the moment sensibly.
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#13 Posted on 13.1.15 0914.03
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    Originally posted by PowerPB13
    WWE triple threat matches are no-countout-no-DQ by defintion, so no cheap way out of that kind of match.


You mean for Brock to keep the title cheaply? A cheap way out for either of the other two would be to lay down for their non-Brock opponent and go with the "we can't beat Brock, but I know I can beat YOU" angle.

Hmm. Brock is leaving. Heyman won't have a client. Would they slide Rollins over to Heyman? Late in the match Heyman advises Rollins to just lay down for Cena while Brock and Cena are knocked out at ringside, Cena struggling to get back in. "Trust me. TRUST ME! Lay down for him." He does, Cena wins. Brock comes to, sees Cena with the belt, and attacks. And attacks. And attacks. As Brock leaves, Heyman smiles, gestures to Rollins to have at Cena, and he cashes in.

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#14 Posted on 13.1.15 0937.00
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I like how they teased the Savage induction like it was something that may or may not happen. Stay tuned!!

I don't know what it is about Stephanie McMahon but, damn.
Besides the fact that she looks a bit like Jennifer Lawrence despite being much older. Something about the way she carries herself. Triple H ain't dumb.


PS Sneaky little Isaac Yankem reference. Well done, Dean.

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#15 Posted on 13.1.15 0955.31
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Look what Ryback tweeted after last nights Raw:

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After tonight things are not looking good. I knew what I signed up for @JohnCena is not to blame. This will not be me


(Yeah, I've no idea how to post tweets)

Oh, and Slim Jim should start re-running all the Macho Man Slim Jim commercials on WWE shows from now thru WM if they were smart. I think Macho's estate wouldn't mind a little income, plus the bump in sales, too.

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#16 Posted on 13.1.15 1043.27
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    Originally posted by WWE circa March 2015
    REIGNS: You know, Brock Lesnar, you're a big guy... some might even call you a Goliath. But at WrestleMania, you aren't gonna be facing David. You're gonna be facing a Man of Steel and he isn't gonna be carrying a slingshot. He's going to be carrying a Superman Punch and Goliath Gonna Go Gone Garbage Grabbin', Gunganhead! That's right, I said it!

    (Heyman is fuming, as if Reigns just said something racist. Reigns gives a sly smirk to the camera.)

    REIGNS: And you, Paul Heyman, you know, you're a lot like Lex Luthor. Always usin' your brains to use someone else to do your dirty work. Well, at WrestleMania, brawn is gonna beat brains and you know what? You know what, Paul? Superman Punch!

    (Reigns throws his hands up in the air and starts pounding on Brock Lesnar. Brock dives out of the ring and stares blankly at Reigns, then walks back to the dressing room.)


I am so looking forward to this.

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#17 Posted on 13.1.15 1049.01
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    Originally posted by dwaters
    I don't know what it is about Stephanie McMahon but, damn.
    Besides the fact that she looks a bit like Jennifer Lawrence despite being much older. Something about the way she carries herself. Triple H ain't dumb.

Sure, but think about all that could've been had he stayed with Chyna. Their star burned too bright and was far too beautiful to live.

What a nothing show.

I will echo the sentiments of others about Rollins. It's been said before, several times, but it's amazing that the guy who everyone thought would get lost in the shuffle post-Sheild has consistently been the MVP of every show since they started turning Ambrose into Bugs Joker. Great work by him then, now, and (hopefully) forever.
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#18 Posted on 13.1.15 1059.16
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I believe the other in-story reason for Rollins cashing in is that, in recent cash-ins, the ref takes time to check to see if the champ is fit to compete. You don't want to give Brock, of all people, a breather.
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#19 Posted on 13.1.15 1254.13
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    Originally posted by SchippeWreck
    I believe the other in-story reason for Rollins cashing in is that, in recent cash-ins, the ref takes time to check to see if the champ is fit to compete. You don't want to give Brock, of all people, a breather.


If only they had some sort of shifty scab Ref to use...
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#20 Posted on 13.1.15 1421.16
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Why has nobody considered the fact that Rollins thinks he's good enough to win the title and doesn't need to steal it? Sure, he's tried to sneakily cash it in before but he didn't have a guaranteed title match scheduled at that point. If he cashed it in last night and won, Brock has a guaranteed rematch. That either requires Rollins to face Brock one on one, with no help from Cena, or it requires him to go into the triple threat as an underdog, possibly losing the title without being pinned and then being out of luck because he doesn't have his back up plan.

As it stands, Rollins has a chance to win the title at the Rumble, with a backup plan of being able to cash in the contract if he loses. He doesn't have to beat either Cena or Brock one on one because they're going to be beating the hell out of each other, allowing Rollins to pick over the remains. If he manages to steal a win at the Rumble, he's the champion with multiple backup plans. Brock will get his rematch but if Rollins loses, he has not only a guaranteed rematch but the cash in as well.
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