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#1 Posted on 11.6.03 1559.26
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411 through the Torch sez:

Kurt Angle and Edge were both approached during their injury rehab to contribute to the Smackdown creative team. Because of his faster than expected recovery, Angle never contributed, but Edge was part of the staff briefly.

Edge was reportedly very critical of the shows that were being submitted to him for review, and his negativity did not go over well with Stephanie McMahon and the rest of the staff.

As a result, he was told his critiques were too negative and his role with the creative staff was eliminated.

However, word of his stint on the creative team got to the boys in the WWE lockerroom, and since then Edge has become a cult hero of sorts to many of the wrestlers who are also frustrated with the creative team.


Can't have a negative atmosphere in the locker room, can we? That silly Edge.
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#2 Posted on 11.6.03 1604.44
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It seems that anyone who doesn't agree with with the Vince/Stephanie storyline point of views don't get to stay on the writing team for too long.
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#3 Posted on 11.6.03 1612.23
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Lets see..

^Vince Russo
^Paul Heyman
^Tommy Dreamer
^Edge

All got on the writing staff but took off after they gave negative comments about the writing. God forbid they listen to some of the people who are out actually performing the storylines.


(edited by XPacArmy on 11.6.03 1413)
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#4 Posted on 11.6.03 1643.06
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    Originally posted by It's False
    411 through the Torch sez:

    Kurt Angle and Edge were both approached during their injury rehab to contribute to the Smackdown creative team. Because of his faster than expected recovery, Angle never contributed, but Edge was part of the staff briefly.

    Edge was reportedly very critical of the shows that were being submitted to him for review, and his negativity did not go over well with Stephanie McMahon and the rest of the staff.

    As a result, he was told his critiques were too negative and his role with the creative staff was eliminated.

    However, word of his stint on the creative team got to the boys in the WWE lockerroom, and since then Edge has become a cult hero of sorts to many of the wrestlers who are also frustrated with the creative team.


    Can't have a negative atmosphere in the locker room, can we? That silly Edge.



If it is reported on the 'Net, then it has got to be true.

Argh....
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#5 Posted on 11.6.03 1656.56
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Yes, this seems like something Wade Keller just made up out of thin air.

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#6 Posted on 11.6.03 1729.39
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I'd like to point that if this is true, we don't know what negative things Edge was saying.

What if he always came back with "Hey d00d, we need to put the title on Rhyno and let him have it for a whole year"?
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#7 Posted on 11.6.03 1734.17
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He very well might have. But considering how woeful the product from Smackdown has been as of late, and just what we've been able to glean of Edge's philosophies about wrestling over his career, I really have to say you're stretching like a yoga champion to give Steph and crew the benefit of the doubt here. Even moreso when you add in the other names on the list who seemingly have been bounced for disagreeing with Steph and Co. Tommy, Heyman, and Edge all came up through the indie scene, all have an at least somewhat older-school/non-hollywood mentality, and all of them didn't last very long. Now considering what is making it onscreen lately, I think we can somewhat guess with a reasonable degree of education behind it what sort of ideas they might have been throwing out there for rejection.
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#8 Posted on 11.6.03 1842.38
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Given the circumstances of the SD! roster over the past few months, I haven't seen anything tremendously bad. The worst anything has gotten for me on either show is "passable".
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#9 Posted on 11.6.03 1846.48
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Interesting that Edge would be punished for saying negative things privately yet be allowed to make critical comments publicly on the website. Also interesting that this story comes out immediately after Edge announces that he'll be offline for a couple of weeks, thus unable to respond if he so desired. Not saying it's not true, just saying it's surrounded by some interesting coincidences.
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#10 Posted on 11.6.03 1921.29
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if Steph really is getting all her writing ideas out of Soap Opera Digest (someone here said that a while ago) then she needs to actually WATCH some. I suggest Days of our Lives. it's well written, produced and acted (for a soap.)not that I'm that hot on Vince's "Male Soap Opera" bend, but if that's what they are doing then at least learn from the good one.
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#11 Posted on 11.6.03 2040.26
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Negative can be taken a lot of ways. If he was just sending in comments that amounted to "This sucks" and "That sucks", and not offering suggestions on how those segments may be changed to make them "not suck", then they may have viewed his criticism as less than helpful.

If not, I am not sure why they would have put him on creative in the first place. Surely the whole purpose of adding different people to creative is to get different ideas. Even if Edge was offering up things they didn't like, they could always opt to take a pass on his advice but continue to let him submit ideas. It wouldn't hurt anything, it's not like Edge has anything better to do and it doesn't cost them anymore money. If they don't want to hear different ideas, why hire new people, why not stick with what you got.

The top paragraph explanation is the one that makes sense. I'm not going to pretend to know Edge well enough to know what kind of work he would do reviewing show material. Any other explanation seems to be pretty illogical to me. But it seems many assume that Steph and Vince are illogical. Maybe they are, who knows?

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#12 Posted on 11.6.03 2131.31
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My guess is that it's not so much that he was overly negative, but that he had a different mindset of how to book shows. It's basically Hollywood style vs. wrestling style, and Hollywood is in control. I bet that Edge actually left either of his own accord because they weren't using his ideas, or that they simply asked him to leave because he wasn't gelling with the team. The "news" sites always spin this stuff hard to make creative look bad, so I usually assume what happened was a lot milder than they say.
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#13 Posted on 11.6.03 2333.20
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    Originally posted by fuelinjected
    Yes, this seems like something Wade Keller just made up out of thin air.



Meltzer from the Wrestling Classics board:
"He was never on the booking team. Not even close. He was asked to review the TV shows, as are many people. He was then told he needed to change the way he reviewed the shows because everyone knows in that company, if you don't tell them what they want to hear, they don't want to hear it. Anyway, he's no longer reviewing the TV shows."
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#14 Posted on 11.6.03 2337.30
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    Originally posted by vacheroi

      Originally posted by fuelinjected
      Yes, this seems like something Wade Keller just made up out of thin air.



    Meltzer from the Wrestling Classics board:
    "He was never on the booking team. Not even close. He was asked to review the TV shows, as are many people. He was then told he needed to change the way he reviewed the shows because everyone knows in that company, if you don't tell them what they want to hear, they don't want to hear it. Anyway, he's no longer reviewing the TV shows."



And that's what Keller said. Edge was "very critical of the shows that were being submitted to him for review" and "his role with the creative staff was eliminated."
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#15 Posted on 11.6.03 2346.09
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    Originally posted by Notorious F.A.B.

    What if he always came back with "Hey d00d, we need to put the title on Rhyno and let him have it for a whole year"?



. . .

Holy shit! That would rule!

GIVE EDGE THE BOOK!

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#16 Posted on 12.6.03 0532.53
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    Originally posted by fuelinjected

      Originally posted by vacheroi

        Originally posted by fuelinjected
        Yes, this seems like something Wade Keller just made up out of thin air.



      Meltzer from the Wrestling Classics board:
      "He was never on the booking team. Not even close. He was asked to review the TV shows, as are many people. He was then told he needed to change the way he reviewed the shows because everyone knows in that company, if you don't tell them what they want to hear, they don't want to hear it. Anyway, he's no longer reviewing the TV shows."



    And that's what Keller said. Edge was "very critical of the shows that were being submitted to him for review" and "his role with the creative staff was eliminated."


I know, just noting that Keller didn't make it up out of thin air.
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#17 Posted on 12.6.03 0810.03
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Oh my sweet golly gosh!

Word has it "the boys in the lockeroom" heard about this and "MANY WRESTLERS" are now revering Edge as a "cult hero".

That plethora of verified facts and named sources tells me this story just gotta be true!
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#18 Posted on 12.6.03 0854.25
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    That plethora of verified facts and named sources tells me this story just gotta be true!

There's no way he's going to name any sources, because if he did, said sources would have instant heat from management, which would in turn lose him the source. A lose-lose situation.

You want him to say "Matt Hardy told me the lockerroom is happy that Edge spoke up against that Stephanie & the writing team's idiotic booking"?
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#19 Posted on 12.6.03 0916.25
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    Originally posted by dMr
    Oh my sweet golly gosh!

    Word has it "the boys in the lockeroom" heard about this and "MANY WRESTLERS" are now revering Edge as a "cult hero".

    That plethora of verified facts and named sources tells me this story just gotta be true!



No, obviously not, but some sort of verification of the story would be nice. Basically the whole last paragraph could be entirely made up. This constant use of 'the general feeling among the boys' as justification for a story is at best lazy and at worst just fucking pathetic.

All you have to do is look at anny sort of article resulting from proper investigative journalism and you'll see QUOTES attributed to 'senior officials'. The story is given credibility because if said source doesnt exist then the exposed group/company can take appropriate legal action.

Its a whole lot harder to disprove the feelings of 'many wrestlers'. Hell strictly speaking it doesnt even say whether these wrestlers are employed with the WWE. It could be talking about 5 guys down the local gym who havent enjoyed SD lately.

For all we know Edge was told he wasn't needed because his contribution consisted of "that sucks", "thats dumb", "U R the worst writer EVAAAAA!" while providing nothing productive.

But no, instead we get the usual internet crap of "OMG! A wrestler whose popular with most of the IWC had something bad happen to him!!!! I have no justification for believing that his treatment was unfair, or any inkling as to what the general response to said action is, but hey, if I write some half assed shit about 'feelings backstage' then some people are gonna take it as gospel."
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#20 Posted on 12.6.03 1009.52
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    No, obviously not, but some sort of verification of the story would be nice. Basically the whole last paragraph could be entirely made up. This constant use of 'the general feeling among the boys' as justification for a story is at best lazy and at worst just fucking pathetic.

    All you have to do is look at anny sort of article resulting from proper investigative journalism and you'll see QUOTES attributed to 'senior officials'.


Verification from whom? "Senior officials" in the locker-room? He's talking about the wrestlers, not WWE upper management, so what is he supposed to say without getting anyone in trouble?

If he's talked to a number of wrestlers (or a few trusted ones he can believe to give him an accurate portrayal of the lockerroom), then "the general feeling among the boys" is fine. We're not talking about Time Magazine or CNN, wrestling journalism is far from "investigative reporting".
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