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#1 Posted on 20.7.14 2214.18
Reposted on: 20.7.21 2214.20
Buy The Network and you won't feel ripped off when we throw PPVs together like we did Battleground.

So, Rollins did get hurt after all last week right?

Maybe Jericho is still knocking off some rust, but I kind of think he might be all done.

That was an amazing amount of stalling, filler and bullshit.

Luke Harper!!! I really wanted his no sell of the super kick into a clothesline to be the finish, but it looks like it will be Usos vs The Ascension soon.

Usos over Wyatts 2-1
AJ over Paige via Shining Wizard
Rusev over Swagger via countout
Jericho over Wyatt via Codebreaker
Miz wins the Battle Royal via oldest trick in the book
Cena wins via beating the odds

Really poor PPV even for a space filler.


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#2 Posted on 20.7.14 2220.58
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oops sorry, missed you by minutes. merge_us.y2j

Battleground got off to an amazing start with the Usos/Wyatts match! Incredible action down the stretch. The Wyatts lost again? Good! The Usos are great champions. Definitely worth checking out the show just for this match.

Then immediately turn it off. Lame duck show is lame. The Battleground legacy is preserved.

If you watch up to the opener, you also get to see Cameron's new look, so that's cool. After that,

- AJ vs. Paige, the most anticipated women's match in years, was short and sloppy.

- Swagger vs. Rusev was a count-out, which is actually kind of cool for Swagger getting to keep going for another month. but they went ahead and mentioned Putin and tiptoed around the murder of 300 people.

- Rollins vs. Ambrose, the most anticipated match on the show, was canceled after an angle. they did bring them back for a short, wild brawl. should make their first match special for SummerSlam, but it completely dropped the center out of this show.

- then Rollins, the Authority's long-promised Plan B to guarantee success in case Cena retained the title, uh ... left an hour early. just wasn't feeling the vibe, I guess.

- Jericho beat Wyatt clean, which I was 100% for and makes the rest of their program matter. but the match was a letdown.

- the battle royal saw the Cesaro losing streak paid off with his ... elimination by Heath Slater. Paul couldn't be seen with Cesaro since he has to be in the SummerSlam main event. then the Ziggler fans were trizolled to set up THE MIZ's thirtieth IC title reign and, I guess, a unification program with Sheamus.

- the main event gave Reigns a lot of spots to shine (well, the same three, repeatedly) and ended up being good, but Reigns didn't exactly have the buzz of the next big thing. although the crowd was flat in general -- the match was uninspiring enough for the first half that the fans had nowhere to turn but chanting for their old friend Daniel Bryan. Reigns and Cena's continued attempts at crowd-buzzing showdown square-offs came up silent once again. Orton cost Reigns the win to set them up for SummerSlam in another match that will be an interesting experiment in crowd heat.

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    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    So, Rollins did get hurt after all last week right?


nah, he worked last night. straight up false advertised.

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#3 Posted on 20.7.14 2259.02
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I don't know that Cena really beat the odds to win. Since Reigns was also (stupidly) put into the match by HHH, there was always an equalizer against Orton and Kane, so the odds were pretty even for those two. I felt they actually did a good job of working it like Reigns had a chance (which he obviously didn't), but it just came off as no one really buying it and knowing that Cena would inevitably win.

But, yeah, I still don't know how to read the crowd reaction between Cena and Reigns. Not exactly Hogan and Warrior in the Royal Rumble 1990. I think this match would have worked better as a one-on-one Cena-Reigns match that played out like Austin-Taker at "In Your House: A Cold Day in Hell" where you knew it wasn't Austin's time, but Taker still needed a credible title defense so they could sell WWE Netwo-- er, PPV buys.

Rollins/Ambrose was great. If this were an all night RAW angle told over three hours, it would actually get me through the show. Ambrose really shows a lot of the qualities that really appealed about Pillman/Austin back in 1996/1997. The only thing I didn't like was that drawn out trunk shot or the fact that the camera was just following Rollins leaving the building. Bad production.

I wish they'd figure out whether or not Ziggler is someone they want to push, or someone they don't. I think he's great, but often marginalized. The crowd seems to love him and he was positioned well tonight. I'm glad he eliminated Sheamus, because he really should be a higher priority for WWE. Hopefully he figures into whatever plans they have for the IC/US Titles.

Meh.

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#4 Posted on 20.7.14 2335.56
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From everything I've heard, I'm kinda glad I didn't see this one. I'm sad that the Wyatts didn't win even after chasing the title for 3-4 months. Now who are Double Dust going to feud with? They can't just keep doing wacky backstage hijinks every week.

Of all the people they could've pushed in that IC BR, they chose the freaking Miz?!?
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#5 Posted on 20.7.14 2353.21
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Guess Cena didn't retire the World Heavyweight Championship with Flair after all. Really mad that they cancelled the Rollins/Ambrose match just because Ambrose attacked Rollins in the back. Then it looked like they were stalling for time to make up for the missing match.

"Randy Orton wore blue. What a loser!" Also, Kane and Randy started off in cahoots. Why didn't Kane lay down and have Randy pin him? He was more than happy to let Randy win in the beginning of the match.

The Summerslam logo is using the "new" WWE logo (aka the WWE Network Logo).

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#6 Posted on 21.7.14 0036.20
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I have to say, I thoroughly enjoyed Swagger-Rusev.

Of course, when that's the best thing you have to say about a show...
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#7 Posted on 21.7.14 0358.49
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The Tampa audience has a vastly different opinion of what is awesome than I do. Sloppy show that was, as BDL said, filler, bullshit, and stalling.

Did you know? Bray Wyatt has a tramp stamp.

I'm all for Ziggler getting to shine. But Miz? Jesus. A simpler solution to the whole thing would've been to have Ziggler get tossed by Sheamus because Ziggler can never win anything, then in the middle of his celebration have Miz dump him like he did to Ziggler. It sets up the feud much better and still keeps Ziggler from getting any kind of headway. I don't know why they booked it the way they did; it's not as if Miz is going to do a program with Ziggler and even if he did, Ziggler won't win.

There has to be some other 7 footer out there in need of a paycheck who can take over for Khali. He's not believable and it looks like he's genuinely in pain when he does anything.

Ryback needs to spend more time doing cardio and less time doing shoulder shrugs.

Jericho looked better than RVD. I'm not sure if that's a compliment or a sad realization.

Ambrose is great as always. Rollins is doing good work too. The real reason why he left the Shield was clearly for better parking. And like all good villains, he left the keys in his car for an easier getaway. You know who wouldn't have left Rollins' side, no matter how forcefully he said he didn't need security? Aaron Pierce.

Swagger looks like he's motivated by this whole angle. This makes it more entertaining than anything he's ever done.

I had such high hopes for AJ vs. Paige. I don't know if it's because AJ took time off and she needs to get her timing back or if Paige was brought up too early. There isn't much psychology to anything that Paige does. The "c'mon AJ" yelling wasn't explained, but not at the fault of the announce team. It didn't make one bit of sense. She yells a lot. We don't know the reason for the yelling. I guess that's her thing. It's nice to see a diva who can work, but she hasn't put on a good match since she came up from NXT. I don't get it.

Reigns needs to step his game up in order to have five moves of doom. That running clothesline in the corner looks weak especially because he's a high-impact move guy. Maybe rotate the shoulder more or add some follow through? Whatever the case, he needs work. He's not ready yet and the crowd isn't ready for him to be the man. After a prolonged Bryan buildup that had the crowd salivating at his every move, you would think that creative would understand how to build a face contender. If anything, this experiment with Reigns shows that the Bryan situation fell into their lap much more than it was a planned thing. And even when they said it was a planned thing, it was going so well that it was impossible to fuck up.

Just an awful PPV/Special Event that felt like a bad-to-mediocre Raw.

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#8 Posted on 21.7.14 0626.46
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I wasn't so down on this show as everyone else. The opener was match of the night, although you could realistically skip the first two falls because the match didn't really get going until that point. I'm a bigger fan of the Miz than most people, so I had no problem with him going over in the battle royal. I think the plan is a program with Dolph, not Sheamus, so that's why Ziggler was made to look like he was winning. AJ/Paige was more or less what I was expecting. I think some people have unrealistic expectations of AJ. She's not a bad worker, but she's not that good either. She never was. Paige has had great matches with Emma in NXT, and with Tamina and Naomi since getting called up. I couldn't name a great match of AJ's. And the main event was good, if not surprising. Overall, I liked the show.

But that Rollins/Ambrose thing was total bullshit.
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#9 Posted on 21.7.14 0716.47
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At this point in time, you have to realize this is the future of PPVs where nothing major really happens. They would rather pop the ratings on Raw even though their new TV deal is rather weak. Cena/Brock is a money PPV main event. By money, I mean the kids will love it til Brock wins. Then in typical boring SummerSlam fashion, someone will cash it in and win.

Jericho winning makes sense to me. Their feud needs to be a lot like Ambrose/Rollins. Even if he is rusty, its still better than watching Cena or Miz or 80% of the roster wrestle Bray. To be fair, I am not totally sold on Bray as being a good worker, just a guy with an interesting gimmick and a devastating finisher. WWE needs to stay the fuck away from this real Russia story, now. Blind patriotism tends to lead to stupid things like this..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2699766/Blonde-WWE-star-slammed-using-MH17-tragedy-tasteless-storyline-grudge-match-Russian-American-wrestlers.html

Miz. Jesus Christ, Miz. I do agree, the Wyatt Family should have won if for nothing else to give the Dust Family something to do.

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#10 Posted on 21.7.14 0721.18
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As a treat, the girls were allowed to watch the PPV last night up through the Battle Royal.

That opener. Wow. We were all going nuclear at the end. LUKE HARPER IS THE MAN. He ate a superkick and laughed it off. It took a double superkick and double splash to hold him down. HARPER FOR WWE WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION.

My younger daughter now hates the Usos with the fury of a white hot sun.

Loved the sign troll of "Rusev Crush" - "The People". Even funnier when that ended up in Lana's speech.

We were running behind a bit so we ended up zipping through most of Bray/Jericho, but man that was some shiner he was sporting. I was glad to see that the whole Wyatt crew came down this time, it bothered me when they stayed back during the ladder match last PPV. Also glad we blew through it when we saw that Jericho won. The Wyatts need some legit victories and soon.

As they had the entrance for the Battle Royal, I called Xavier being the first eliminated. My older daughter called Zack being second. Only took a minute for us to high-5. The girls spent most of the time wondering if Bo was going to pull off the win, and laughing at how funny that would be.

There is no suspense anymore when it comes to Cena.
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#11 Posted on 21.7.14 0722.53
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Apparently I'm in a very small minority, because I thoroughly enjoyed ever minute of this show. Paige vs AJ was a bit sloppy at times, but everything else was good to excellent. Maybe that's the benefit of not having cable and rarely using the Network outside of PPVs, this is the first wrestling I've watched since the last PPV, so I'm not burnt out.
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#12 Posted on 21.7.14 0833.15
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    Originally posted by SKLOKAZOID
    I don't know that Cena really beat the odds to win.
Oh, but he did! Perhaps you missed Battleground Aftermath, which was about five minutes long and was basically just Renee saying "So, John, those odds were stacked against you, rght?" "They were Renee. The odds. They were stacked. And stacked against me. Anyway, Usos!"

    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Swagger vs. Rusev was a count-out, which is actually kind of cool for Swagger getting to keep going for another month. but they went ahead and mentioned Putin and tiptoed around the murder of 300 people.
For a brief moment, it seemed like Lana was just gonna go ahead and start directly addressing Recent Current Events. Probably the most exciting thing on the show.

    Originally posted by SKLOKAZOID
    The only thing I didn't like was that drawn out trunk shot or the fact that the camera was just following Rollins leaving the building. Bad production.
Lotta bad production all around. The delay in the trunk spot was bad, and arguably worse was Miz getting caught on camera in front of the desk next to the IC title just as Cole is launching into the "We're down to Sheamus and Ziggler, yep, just those two left!" sell.

    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    the battle royal saw the Cesaro losing streak paid off with his ... elimination by Heath Slater.
Slater was over, too. They should have called an audible and had him win, much like they should have called an audible and had him beat Rusev or should have gone back in time and un-fired Derrick Bateman so we'd be getting a red hot Rusev vs. USA Guy feud right now.

    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Reigns and Cena's continued attempts at crowd-buzzing showdown square-offs came up silent once again.
I get an inordinate amount of pleasure whenever the Cena/? staredown spot flops. The completely unearned attempt at a Sheamus/Ryback staredown spot in the battle royal was just odd.

(Sheamus carried that match again, for whatever it's worth. Starting to think that, if he never talked or only said the words "foight" and "fella", Sheamus might be my favorite wrestler.)

I assume we are to assume that the Money In The Bank briefcase was in one of Rollins' bags (which, who puts a briefcase inside a suitcase?) and that Ambrose will be all "You forgot somethin', Seth!" tonight, right? Hopeful future spot later in the year: Seth is assured that Ambrose is nowhere to be found, goes to cash in the briefcase, it's opened to make sure the contract is in there and somehow Ambrose emerges from the briefcase and beats up Rollins (two years later, it's revealed that Ambrose had Hornwoggle paint a magic hole in the bottom of the briefcase which allowed Ambrose to travel through it.)

Also, Rob Van Dam died on the way back to his home planet.
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#13 Posted on 21.7.14 0932.17
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Hey, where was Paul Heyman?

Has Swagger been 'The Real American' for awhile now? I thought he was the "All American, American"

There is something about Rusev that just isn't working for me. They really haven't booked a monster right since Umaga, and I kind of feel Rusev could be a little like Umaga but I'm starting to think he might just end up as Ryback. Or he and Lana could just end up like Muhammad Hussein and Davari if they keep playing their hand the way they are.

Alex Riley commentating during some of the stalling (not an exact quote, but what I heard), "It's his time is a phrase they use in WWE meaning It's his time" ... Nice job

I wonder what they do with Harper and Rowan now. Harper is too good to be just a lackey, but he can't overtake Bray either and we can only have one tag team feud at a time. Maybe they can go back and watch some ECW Hardcore TV and see how to book several teams chasing the titles at once.

Kane kind of sounds like Joe from Family Guy these days.

Oh, and my PPV feed was not very good. It hasn't been this bad since Wrestlemania. I thought we were past all this, but I had a lot of buffering and then jumping ahead. I like how it only jumps ahead during important spots ie the second fall or Sheamus elimination.

... and Sid is tweeting now, and retweeting a whole lot




Of course he retweeted that. He also hated the show. I like to picture him tweeting.






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#14 Posted on 21.7.14 1024.50
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    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    Oh, and my PPV feed was not very good.
Mine was god-awful. Apologies to anyone who saw my multiple complaints on Twitter but I'm still on this. I tried watching this show with our very own hansen9j, but he gave up halfway through and I did too shortly thereafter. The feed rarely went 2 minutes without coming to a dead stop, and often crapped out after 30 seconds. Refreshing to get it going again meant missing the entire first Rollins/Ambrose brawl and the end of Jericho/Wyatt. And when it did work, the video quality was shit. It was significantly worse than most pirate streaming sites I've seen.

I can't write off the Network just yet - I've been having intermittent computer issues lately, so it could have been my PC and/or my internet connection. If anyone knows any good apps/sites that will let you check what's sucking up all your bandwidth, you can let me know. I went around the house and kicked everything off the Wi-Fi that I could and shut down everything running in the background - or so I thought? Who knows.

At least it picked a good show to shit the bed on?
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#15 Posted on 21.7.14 1027.48
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If it was an episode of RAW, it would have been a pretty good one, I guess. As a PPV, it fell well short though. Which is a shame, as on paper it looked like a great card, and the tease of Plans B and C added some intrigue to the main event. Cena wins lol should never be a surprise though.

The Ambrose/Rollins thing was plain shitty. As an angle, it was well executed and built up a lot of momentum for their eventual match. But the fact that it was advertised as a match beforehand just made it feel like a huge slap in the face. Why advertise the match to begin with if that's the plan? Had the match not been advertised, they could have done the exact same segment (just have Rollins come out to make vague threats about cashing in his briefcase instead of bragging about beating Ambrose by forfeit) and instead of pissing everybody off and leaving a sour taste in the mouths of the paying customer for the rest of the show, it would have served its intended purpose and then some.

Speaking of leaving a bad taste in the mouth, the Lana/Rusev stuff was just unbelievably distasteful. Which is a shame, because it overshadowed what was a pretty good match between Rusev and a motivated Swagger.

Usos/Wyatts was fantastic and a MOTY candidate for me. By far and away the bright spot on a very lacklustre card.

Paige/AJ was too short to truly get going and was a shade disappointing while it lasted, for what was a highly anticipated Divas match. You don't see too many of those in 2014 WWE.

Wyatt/Y2J was mediocre and Wyatt losing clean coming off a feud with Cena where he routinely lost clean probably didn't do him any favours. Jericho looked rusty but he's not been back long and that was his first PPV match back, so I'm not too worried about the rest of the feud sucking or anything.

The Battle Royale was some expert-level trolling by WWE. They may not know how to produce a consistently entertaining product, but they certainly know how to piss off their dwindling fanbase, and they evidently enjoy doing it.

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#16 Posted on 21.7.14 1037.19
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This was the first ppv I've seen in a while. Have the ringside mics always been so sensitive? Hearing Paige and AJ talk to each other was off-putting.
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#17 Posted on 21.7.14 1130.03
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    Originally posted by TheGreatWhiteBob

    Wyatt losing clean coming off a feud with Cena where he routinely lost clean probably didn't do him any favours.


Other than their first PPV match at WrestleMania, Cena has never beaten Wyatt clean during this feud.
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#18 Posted on 21.7.14 1140.11
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Of the three matches they had, Cena won two cleanly and lost one but only after it was made clear that he had the match won before interference from a kid with a silly voice.

Maybe "routinely loses" is a stretch but the last clean win for Wyatt in a PPV match was against Daniel Bryan at Royal Rumble.
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#19 Posted on 21.7.14 1144.53
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    Originally posted by TheGreatWhiteBob
    The Battle Royale was some expert-level trolling by WWE. They may not know how to produce a consistently entertaining product, but they certainly know how to piss off their dwindling fanbase, and they evidently enjoy doing it.




From what I've seen, that's the only way they know how to draw heel heat any more.
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#20 Posted on 21.7.14 1207.45
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    Originally posted by oudom
    Guess Cena didn't retire the World Heavyweight Championship with Flair after all.

    (edited by oudom on 20.7.14 2355)


After SummerSlam (Is that one word or two?) They official switch to the new logo happens, and they'll have the new logos on the belts. When that happens, Big Gold will be retired.

God, after that opening match, I was excited. After Paige and AJ, I fell asleep. How horrible this PPV ended up being is incredible. The battle royal concept has turned into "let's see how many ways we can not touch the floor" spotfest. Although I will say, Kofi onto Big E's shoulders was an unexpected treat.

Overall, I hated this show, except the opener. That was a hot, HOT tag match. If they're seriously getting the Tag Team division more attention, they're doing it right by having great matches like this on PPV.

Also, the feed was terrible. Mine probably stopped five or six times. After the fourth I was pretty much not bothered because the show was so poor anyway.
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