Not that they will remain undefeated but I doubt if any K-State fan every imagined in their wildest dreams that this team would be 7-0 and 8th in the BCS standings. What they have done this year with the talent they have is pretty amazing. Unfortunately, they get a very upset Oklahoma this week in Manhattan.
The locals are going nuts over Clemson's run, but then they have since they were 4-0. The faithful expect to contend every year since they won their lone national title in 1981.
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Originally posted by Matt TrackerThe locals are going nuts over Clemson's run, but then they have since they were 4-0. The faithful expect to contend every year since they won their lone national title in 1981.
I've been impressed with that offense for sure, but the defense doesn't seem to be anything special right now. Georgia Tech has been horrible lately, but they're capable of slowing the game down and giving Clemson trouble this week. Be interesting to see if they can keep this going.
I have a stupid question. How exactly do these computer ranking systems work and why is so much weight given to them? I find it hard to believe that Wisconsin could lose by 6 on a spectacular Hail Mary to another ranked team and the computers rank them as low as 25 (with one "not even ranked" ranking), yet #3 Oklahoma could lose to an unranked team and still be ranked in the Top 10 in 4 of 6 computer polls (and still no lower than 14).
Originally posted by StegDutchieI have a stupid question. How exactly do these computer ranking systems work and why is so much weight given to them? I find it hard to believe that Wisconsin could lose by 6 on a spectacular Hail Mary to another ranked team and the computers rank them as low as 25 (with one "not even ranked" ranking), yet #3 Oklahoma could lose to an unranked team and still be ranked in the Top 10 in 4 of 6 computer polls (and still no lower than 14).
Score isn't a factor to computers, and how the game ended means nothing as well. Prior to Michigan State the only team Wisconsin had played that had a pulse was Nebraska. Not arguing that the computers are right, that is just how they come to their decisions. The universe is close to imploding. Michigan State pulls out a miraculous win and Clemson might not actually implode. What is next, Georgia winning out and knocking off the LSU/Alabama winner in the SEC Title Game to get the entire Screw Up Trilogy into BCS Games?
Originally posted by StegDutchieI have a stupid question. How exactly do these computer ranking systems work and why is so much weight given to them? I find it hard to believe that Wisconsin could lose by 6 on a spectacular Hail Mary to another ranked team and the computers rank them as low as 25 (with one "not even ranked" ranking), yet #3 Oklahoma could lose to an unranked team and still be ranked in the Top 10 in 4 of 6 computer polls (and still no lower than 14).
Score isn't a factor to computers, and how the game ended means nothing as well. Prior to Michigan State the only team Wisconsin had played that had a pulse was Nebraska. Not arguing that the computers are right, that is just how they come to their decisions.
Yeah, the BCS computer rankings are not allowed (by BCS rules) to take margin of victory into account. Other than Billingsley, the methodology of the rankings are pretty similar. You can either make predictive rankings (which are about trying to figure out which team is more likely to win in the future) or retrodictive rankings (which is about which team has been more impressive in the games they played). The two things are not quite the same. http://homepages.cae.wisc.edu/~dwilson/rsfc/rate/intention.html has a little chart on how they differ.
As for Oklahoma vs. Wisconsin, it's all strength of schedule. Billingsley does things differently from the other 5 (many would say this as an insult) he has Oklahoma #8 and Wisconsin #12.
Wolfe doesn't list sos for individual teams, but with the other 4, you can see the difference is clearly based on strength of schedule. * Sagarin ranks Oklahoma's sos #15 and Wisconsin's #108. * Anderson & Hester rank Oklahoma's sos #15, and Wisconsin's #99. * Colley has sos at #14 and #117. * Massey has sos at #9 and #80.
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These are the same BCS computers that last week (well, one of the ones that help compute the standings, anyway) had UW ranked BEHIND Nebraska...even though Bucky BEAT Nebraska.
Dammit...one ridiculous Hail Mary, a freakin' INCH over the goal line, and there goes any shot UW had at the nat'l title.
Now they're a half-game back in the Rose Bowl race. Ye gods.
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Originally posted by The ThrillThese are the same BCS computers that last week (well, one of the ones that help compute the standings, anyway) had UW ranked BEHIND Nebraska...even though Bucky BEAT Nebraska.
A team will frequently be ranked behind a team they beat. Imangine this, 3 SEC teams are 11-1: Alabama, LSU, and Arkansas. Alabama beat LSU, LSU beat Arkansas, and Arkansas beat Alabama.
Using your logic that if team A beat team B, then A must be ranked better than B, how would you order these teams?
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Originally posted by The ThrillThese are the same BCS computers that last week (well, one of the ones that help compute the standings, anyway) had UW ranked BEHIND Nebraska...even though Bucky BEAT Nebraska.
A team will frequently be ranked behind a team they beat. Imangine this, 3 SEC teams are 11-1: Alabama, LSU, and Arkansas. Alabama beat LSU, LSU beat Arkansas, and Arkansas beat Alabama.
Using your logic that if team A beat team B, then A must be ranked better than B, how would you order these teams?
You would need to reverse that because Arkansas already lost to Alabama, but do play LSU. That is the Texas/Texas Tech/Oklahoma situation from a few years ago.
Originally posted by The ThrillThese are the same BCS computers that last week (well, one of the ones that help compute the standings, anyway) had UW ranked BEHIND Nebraska...even though Bucky BEAT Nebraska.
A team will frequently be ranked behind a team they beat. Imangine this, 3 SEC teams are 11-1: Alabama, LSU, and Arkansas. Alabama beat LSU, LSU beat Arkansas, and Arkansas beat Alabama.
Using your logic that if team A beat team B, then A must be ranked better than B, how would you order these teams?
You would need to reverse that because Arkansas already lost to Alabama, but do play LSU.
Do you even know how hypothetical situations work?
Since you're too caught up in the names of the teams and what they did this year and can not separate them from a fantasy situation, I'll rephrase: Team A lost only to Team B, Team B lost only to Team C, and Team C lost only to Team A. Rank them.
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Originally posted by The ThrillThese are the same BCS computers that last week (well, one of the ones that help compute the standings, anyway) had UW ranked BEHIND Nebraska...even though Bucky BEAT Nebraska.
A team will frequently be ranked behind a team they beat. Imangine this, 3 SEC teams are 11-1: Alabama, LSU, and Arkansas. Alabama beat LSU, LSU beat Arkansas, and Arkansas beat Alabama.
Using your logic that if team A beat team B, then A must be ranked better than B, how would you order these teams?
You would need to reverse that because Arkansas already lost to Alabama, but do play LSU.
Do you even know how hypothetical situations work?
Since you're too caught up in the names of the teams and what they did this year and can not separate them from a fantasy situation, I'll rephrase: Team A lost only to Team B, Team B lost only to Team C, and Team C lost only to Team A. Rank them.
I do understand hypothetical, but it is better when a situation that realistically can occur is placed in, as the Arkansas beats LSU after LSU beats Alabama who beat Arkansas situation demonstrates. And, a few years ago, Texas/Oklahoma/Texas Tech finished with identical records in a round robin 1-1 situation.