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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.97






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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.16
I'm excited to see the return of Zack Ryder. His youtube feud with Ziggler a couple of years ago was fantastic. It will be interesting to see him play this angry/bitter character this time around. This episode was a good start.
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.20
If I was a brand new wrestling promotion, Zack Ryder would be the number one guy I'd try to sign. You could build an entire brand around him. I'd love to see this work out for him and get him back into the mix.
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.63
    Originally posted by Tenken347
    If I was a brand new wrestling promotion, Zack Ryder would be the number one guy I'd try to sign. You could build an entire brand around him.


Lets not go overboard there.....




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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.56
    Originally posted by Dionysus
    I'm excited to see the return of Zack Ryder. His youtube feud with Ziggler a couple of years ago was fantastic.


It's really funny (and incredibly sad), but at this point, Ryder and Ziggler might just need each other to survive, given how much this company has just squashed both guys under its heel.

    Originally posted by Tenken347
    If I was a brand new wrestling promotion, Zack Ryder would be the number one guy I'd try to sign. You could build an entire brand around him.


I love Ryder as much as the next guy, but this is somewhat of a hyperbole. I'd call him more of a B+ player.

(edited by It's False on 10.3.14 2018)



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.20
    Originally posted by It's False
      Originally posted by Tenken347
      If I was a brand new wrestling promotion, Zack Ryder would be the number one guy I'd try to sign. You could build an entire brand around him.


    I love Ryder as much as the next guy, but this is somewhat of a hyperbole. I'd call him more of a B+ player.

    (edited by It's False on 10.3.14 2018)


And I think he just hasn't been given enough of a chance to show what he can really do. Did anybody here think that Daniel Bryan was a guy you could build a company around three years ago? Yet here we are. I always come back to the night he won the US title, when later that night the Rock of all people was having trouble cutting a promo because he was getting drowned out by "We want Ryder!" chants. I don't care if you can only ever pull that off once, that means something.
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.24
    Originally posted by Tenken347
      Originally posted by It's False
        Originally posted by Tenken347
        If I was a brand new wrestling promotion, Zack Ryder would be the number one guy I'd try to sign. You could build an entire brand around him.


      I love Ryder as much as the next guy, but this is somewhat of a hyperbole. I'd call him more of a B+ player.

      (edited by It's False on 10.3.14 2018)


    And I think he just hasn't been given enough of a chance to show what he can really do. Did anybody here think that Daniel Bryan was a guy you could build a company around three years ago? Yet here we are. I always come back to the night he won the US title, when later that night the Rock of all people was having trouble cutting a promo because he was getting drowned out by "We want Ryder!"
    chants. I don't care if you can only ever pull that off once, that means something.


They dropped the ball big time on Ryder. The crowd loved him, he could wrestle and pull off a great promo and he sold merch. I will always believe Vince never gave him a chance because he made himself into something Vince couldn't - a star.



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Wonder if this is all related to the battle royal. Here are Dolph and Titus talking the disgruntled talk, as well.



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.14
    Originally posted by Tenken347
    And I think he just hasn't been given enough of a chance to show what he can really do. Did anybody here think that Daniel Bryan was a guy you could build a company around three years ago? Yet here we are. I always come back to the night he won the US title, when later that night the Rock of all people was having trouble cutting a promo because he was getting drowned out by "We want Ryder!" chants. I don't care if you can only ever pull that off once, that means something.


But Danielson was always believed to have the quality of work to make him worthy of a good spot. Even WWE figured when they brought him in he'd be a WHC someday, despite the fact they were burying him as a "nerd". I don't think anyone thinks Ryder has the same potential or has the ring-work anywhere close to Danielson's level.

I do think it was ridiculous they way they completely humiliated Ryder out of naked contempt for daring to get over when they didn't want him to, but that hardly makes him Daniel Bryan.



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.45
I'm glad he's still making stuff, although I hope the next episode is nothing like this. If you make your whole character about how you're being held down without it adding any sort of "fire" or it inspiring any sort of character development, then your character is "That guy who isn't making it."

Z! The True Long Island Story was actually entertaining because of how delusional he was and how it fleshed out a character you barely saw on TV.
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.46
I'd call Zack Ryder a B- player, at best.


And yes, me, myself and I, even three years ago, did think that Daniel Bryan was a guy you could build a company around. In fact, I already thought that in 2007, when I flew to New York City just to see him wrestle Takeshi Morishima.



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.85
Even during his heyday, Zack was very limited in the ring. He had his the turnbuckle boot and the finisher, and that was kinda it. His greatest asset was the fan support, and without that (either by being repeatedly buried or going heel), his commodity is greatly diminished.

He's a guy who could benefit greatly from the Network needing new material. Maybe he could lead the new WWE performers who have a minimal ring presence but remain visible as a speaker, host, or pitchman. A guy who can carry a gimmick but isn't active roster still has options. If I'm the WWE, I'd much rather have a guy like Zach or Evan Bourne or Ezekiel, for example, work on the Network to earn their paychecks than stay at home and produce nothing for the company.



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.94
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    If I'm the WWE, I'd much rather have a guy like Zach or Evan Bourne or Ezekiel, for example, work on the Network to earn their paychecks than stay at home and produce nothing for the company.

It wouldn't kill them to make Superstars a Network-only show with its own self-contained storylines. Something a step above NXT, but below Smackdown. Make the U.S. Title the top title on that show and have the C and D level guys feud over it.



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.63

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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.16
Great episode this week. I like how he's starting out without cast members. It makes it feel more real, like he really is being held down.

At the same time, you get the sense that Ryder is a loyal team player, and really would prefer not to be a rebel. That makes his character more sustainable in the long term, since he just wants a fair shot, rather than to overthrow the corporate machine.
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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.67
The second episode is the sort of thing I always thought they should use when they decided it was time to re-push someone and make them into a bad ass again. Have them go back to their roots and remember what got them where they were in the first place, instead of just randomly start winning matches with no explanation.
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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.97
    Originally posted by InVerse
    Have them go back to their roots and remember what got them where they were in the first place, instead of just randomly start winning matches with no explanation.


Someone get Carl Weathers on the phone.





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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.84

I read somewhere recently about a potential stable of disgruntled employees consisting of the Miz, Ziggler & Ryder.

Sorry that I can't recall where I read it, but if it's on the internet then it must be true.
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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.39
    Originally posted by Mayhem

    I read somewhere recently about a potential stable of disgruntled employees consisting of the Miz, Ziggler & Ryder.

    Sorry that I can't recall where I read it, but if it's on the internet then it must be true.


Bryan Alvarez had that a couple weeks ago


    There [is] an idea for The Miz, Dolph Ziggler, and Zack Ryder to form some kind of disgruntled talent faction, which makes sense with Miz's TV role as of later and Zigger getting TV wins in spite of tweeting complaints about chants for him being overdubbed on SmackDown.


I tend to "there is an idea" quotes as someone pitched it in a meeting but it may or may not go anywhere.



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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.97
Zack kills off his character and becomes serious.







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