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So will Ryder go heel? Looks like he's gonna try to get the fans behind him again.







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Zack Ryder has what it takes to be great - if he can drop the goofy gimmick. Get serious, fast.



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I'm interested to see what kind of heel he develops into. I'm sure he'll make whatever he's given gold. (At least in the universe of ZTLIS.)
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.84
    Originally posted by Oliver
    Zack Ryder has what it takes to be great - if he can drop the goofy gimmick. Get serious, fast.


38 seconds wasn't fast enough?

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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.84
    Originally posted by Stefonics
      Originally posted by Oliver
      Zack Ryder has what it takes to be great - if he can drop the goofy gimmick. Get serious, fast.


    38 seconds wasn't fast enough?



Yeah, he literally dropped the gimmick.



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.02
Whoa, his headband broke the camera?

Heel Ryder? I already like where this is going.



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.74
Wasn't Ryder originally a heel when he started this gimmick? He was an obnoxious, Jersey Shore bro, not a lovable one...
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.12
    Originally posted by Spiraling_Shape
    Wasn't Ryder originally a heel when he started this gimmick? He was an obnoxious, Jersey Shore bro, not a lovable one...


And it sucked. Ryder should not go heel then he is Robbie E. If WWE would have gotten behind him instead being human sacrifice for the God of Hustle, Loyalty and Respect then he would have gone somewhere. There is no one to blame here, but Vince.



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.37
This had better be leading to something good, because God knows Ryder deserves SOMETHING after the way he's been treated for the last 15 months.

And there's already a hashtag for Ryder's Revenge Tour ready to go and everything!




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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.30
I understand the reasons for his burial. I hope it has come to an end and we can see if he can truly entertain us like he did for a few weeks when his gimmick was white hot.
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Kind of reminds me of the Hurricane dropping the superhero mask to be Gregory Helms. Got him a good run with the Cruiserweight belt and made it seem like he'd be something more. Personally, I've always kind of hated the Long Island Bro stuff, so I'm happy to see it end.



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.45
Read it and weep, fella


    Originally posted by Papadoc
    I understand the reasons for his burial.
I'm not suggesting he get a Cena-push, but I never understood the reasoning for his burial. Care to explain?



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.83
He could come in as a new masked man called the Midnight Ryder.



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    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    He could come in as a new masked man called the Midnight Ryder.


Out-freakin'-standing.



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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.37
    Originally posted by GodEatGod
    Kind of reminds me of the Hurricane dropping the superhero mask to be Gregory Helms. Got him a good run with the Cruiserweight belt and made it seem like he'd be something more. Personally, I've always kind of hated the Long Island Bro stuff, so I'm happy to see it end.


To keep going with that example, though, Helms eventually dropped the gimmick for a heel turn and wound up becoming Just Another Guy, losing everything that made him unique and inevitably getting him lost in the shuffle.

I'd hope for better for Ryder, but it's not like he really has anything left to lose.



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.80
    Originally posted by DJ FrostyFreeze
      Originally posted by Papadoc
      I understand the reasons for his burial.
    I'm not suggesting he get a Cena-push, but I never understood the reasoning for his burial. Care to explain?


He got over on his own, rather than through the work of creative.

Fans had to be taught: "We told you not to bother liking this guy. Shoulda listened to us. Now let's get back to planning this gang-busters Swagger gimmick that will set the industry on fire..."
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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.45
Read it and weep, fella


    Originally posted by Tribal Prophet
    He got over on his own, rather than through the work of creative.
I've heard this over and over and I still don't agree with this idea. I know I've stated this before and I've been shouted down for it before, and I'm OK with that.

If his burial was his (or our?) "punishment" for getting himself over, why not just keep him off TV all together? And while you're at it, stop selling his spikey hair wigs, t-shirts, and action figures too? Wouldn't that teach him and others this valuable lesson just as effectively (or even more so!) as putting him on TV only to job him out? I don't get it.

ALL THAT BEING SAID: I realize burying him at all while he was so over makes no sense, but "Bury him because WE/I didn't create him" doesn't make any sense either.



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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.79
    Originally posted by lotjx
      Originally posted by Spiraling_Shape
      Wasn't Ryder originally a heel when he started this gimmick? He was an obnoxious, Jersey Shore bro, not a lovable one...


    And it sucked.


It's how everyone got behind him in the first place. They liked his schtick and took all his heel mannerisms (WWWYKI, fist pump, etc) and turned them into his underdog rallying cries.
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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.44
    Originally posted by DJ FrostyFreeze
      Originally posted by Tribal Prophet
      He got over on his own, rather than through the work of creative.
    I've heard this over and over and I still don't agree with this idea. I know I've stated this before and I've been shouted down for it before, and I'm OK with that.

    If his burial was his (or our?) "punishment" for getting himself over, why not just keep him off TV all together? And while you're at it, stop selling his spikey hair wigs, t-shirts, and action figures too? Wouldn't that teach him and others this valuable lesson just as effectively (or even more so!) as putting him on TV only to job him out? I don't get it.

    ALL THAT BEING SAID: I realize burying him at all while he was so over makes no sense, but "Bury him because WE/I didn't create him" doesn't make any sense either.


They make mad money off of his merch and he gets a very, very small cut of it. This way they can punish someone and still make tonnes of money.



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