I thought I'd throw this thread out there: What is your dream line? I'm talking your favourite player at each position. It doesn't have to be a grouping of the best at each position, just of your personal faves.
C Eric Lindros I might get some serious flack for this, but I've been a Big E mark since his junior days. Many feel he was a big time jerkoff for listening to his parents and refusing to play for Quebec, but I was elated to see him join the Flyers and help turn the team around in the early 90's. He is (was?) the prototypical power forward, and I admired his unselfish play in the 1998 and 2002 Olympics. He has 817 points in 678 games.
RW Rick Tocchet My favourite player of all time, Tocchet is truly one of the best and most underrated two-way forwards of the last 20 years. He combined grit with a good touch around the net. He netted 952 points in 1144 games. He also racked up 2972 penalty minutes.
LW Mats Naslund Don Cherry used to make fun of Naslund back in the 80's, but I loved watching him play. At 5'7 and 160 pounds, he played with a lot of heart and compiled 634 points in 651 games.
D Randy Carlyle Carlyle is a former Winnipeg Jet, which is probably why he makes it on this list. The Norris Trophy winner in 1981, Carlyle played in 4 All Star Games and had a ridiculous hairstyle. His career stats include 647 points in 1055 games.
D Eric Brewer Brewer's goal against Sweden in the first game of the 2002 Olympic tournament opened my eyes to this d man's talent, and I've been a fan ever since. Big, quick and skilled, Brewer should be a force on the blue line for years to come. He has 113 points in 401 games.
G Pelle Lindbergh Lindbergh was a rising star in net when his life was cut short in a auto accident. In 1985, I was in awe of his presence in the crease, though the Flyers were ultimately unable to defeat my most hated team, the Oilers, in the Stanley Cup Final. And while my hatred for the Oil has subsided since the departure of the Winnipeg Jets from the NHL, Lindbergh remains my favourite 'tender of all time. In 157, he posted 87 wins, 15 shutouts and had a 3.30 GAA.
C: Wayne Gretzky. My favorite player ever. I am a big Habs fan but I felt bad when they defeated Gretzky's LA Kings in the '93 finals. And he is the best hockey player ever so...
RW: Mark Recchi. A very underrated player. Loved him when he was in Montreal. One of the few Flyers that I actually like. Always work hard, rarely get injured.
LW: Owen Nolan. I don't care if he is a LW or not, I wanted to include him in the list. It's a funny thing because I love Nolan but he played in two teams that I absolutely hate: the Toronto Maple Leafs and, of course, those damn Quebec Nordiques. A physical forward who knows how to score goals.
D: Scott Stevens. What a player. My favorite defenseman ever. He checks hard. He is a real captain. The New Jersey Devils are not the same without him.
D: Larry Robinson. Once again, a terrific defenseman. The Habs should retire his jersey soon. He was my pick for replacing Therrien as head coach but they picked Julien and things are working great.
G: Jose Theodore. Yeah yeah. Being a Habs fan, I should probably pick Patrick Roy but I never liked him. Of course, I loved the fact that he was the reason the Habs won their last two Stanley Cups but I don't like the guy. Theo is my favorite player in the entire league right now.
Coach: Scotty Bowman. Greatest hockey coach ever. Period.
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LW Cam Neely - The prototype for today's power forward. I loved watching Neely punish guys, fight, and make the pretty plays.
RW Brett Hull - Tremendous player, awesome pure goal scorer, and talks a lot of shit! More hockey players should follow his lead and not be afraid to ruffle some feathers and show their personality.
D Bobby Orr - I've watched a lot of Orr on video and he was the best. Probably even better then Gretzky but injuries ruined his longevity.
D Scott Stevens - Everything you could want a hockey player to be.
G Kirk McLean - Loved his stand-up style which he played for my Vancouver Canucks. Took the team to the '94 Finals and robbed Robert Reichel on the greatest save ever. Patrick Roy would be a close #2 because I also worshipped him.
I guess saying "1990 Penguins" isnt what you wanted, SO....
C- Mario Lemuiex. I always lose the argument, but I still insist he is better than Gretzky.
F- Bryan Trottier - Tons of Assists and goals. Isles and Pens Stanely Cup winner.
F- Brett Hull, Although I loathe him, his talent cannot be overlooked.
D- Al MacInnis - Played more minutes later in his career than kids half his age could, and has the most feared slapshot by anybody not named Iafreti (spelling?)
D- Darrius Kasparaitis - Possibly the most physical Russian ever to play. Played a hard game, and always was coming up with a big hit.
G- I was going to say Hasak, but he's too much of a pussy, so I will go with Patrick Roy. Hasak may have been a more dominant player in the regular season, but Roy was the most consistant, smart goalie around.
Coach, Scotty Bowman. NINE Stanley Cups, and only missed the playoffs TWICE (of course, that was with some TERRIBLE Buffalo teams) How did he only win Jack Adams award two time?
(edited by StaggerLee on 30.3.04 2321) Thank you for your irrelevant opinion.
Center - Wayne Gretzky. Nuff said (backup: Mario, nuff said)
Leftwing: Paul Kariya (he's my favorite player)
Rightwing: Teemu Selanne (not the current version)
Defense: Brian Leetch, Scott Stevens
Goal: Martin Brodeur. (he is so good I have no choice but to hate him)
Or a FW line of Neely, Lindros, Hull..or..or..*argh! This is kinda hard btw, I am leaving out some of the best players of the past and the present. Forsberg, Richard, Bure, Howe, Orr, Roy, etc etc etc....
(edited by dMp on 31.3.04 1033) *sigh* Why bother?
C Wayne Gretzky - The greatest pure skill player I've ever seen.
LW Wendel Clark - It was really too bad his peak was during the horrible Leaf eras. He was amazing, one of the best wrist shots I've seen, had skill and can knock you out with his fists or with the body.
RW Theo Flurey - Loved the little guy play. He'd be a total pesk even at 5'6 I became a major fan of his. Those Calgary team of the early 90s were so much fun to watch. It's really unfortunate on how things seem to turn out for him at the end
D Scott Stevens - Lots of respect for him, big smashmouth defenseman.
D Al MacInnis - For a bit more of an offense punch, hardest slapshot in his era again another one from those fun Calgary teams of the early 90s
G Ron Hextall - I never was a huge goalie watcher. Hextall was a goalie I thought was kind of cool and he looked insane as well.
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C - Wayne Gretzky - The best there is, the best there ever will be. Not even a contest...
RW - Mike Bossy - pure scorer. With Gretzky at center, this guy would've scored 80 goals...
LW - Wendel Clark - Tough as nails, with the touch to match.
D - Bobby Orr - Greatest D man ever, one can only imagine what his career stats would've been if he had a normal set of knees...
D - Viacheslav Fetisov - Greatest Soviet defenseman ever and tough as nails. It was too bad that he did not get to play in the NHL for a greater part of his career.
G - Bernie Parent - The one and only. Lots of choices for Goalers. Fuhr, Roy, Billy Smith, Brodeur. Parent still stands out to me. In the 70's when teams actually scored goals, he had a GAA under 2.00...
Coach - For NHL coaches, I will take Bowman, he was the best. If I could, though, I would take Brian Kilrea, the best of the best.
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IF we were including Russians who never played in the NHL, you cant go wrong with Valery Kharlamov. Best skater ever, EVER. SO talented he was allegedly offered a million dollar contract after the 72 Summit Series with Canada.
C- Gretzky (the Great One, 'nuff said) RW- Mike Bossy (the best pure goal scorer I've ever seen) LW- Cam Neely (the best player the Canucks ever traded away, adds toughness to my top line) D- Borje Salming (so tough and talented that Tiger Williams made him an honourary Canadian) D- Ray Bourque (class and excellence in everything he did) G- Martin Brodeur (not as flashy as Hasek or Roy, but every bit as good)
My alternates would be Lemieux, Lafleur, Hull, Chelios, Robinson, and Fuhr
(edited by canucklover on 31.3.04 0858) "...Don't the sun look angry through the trees? Don't the trees look like crucified thieves?" --Warren Zevon, Desperadoes Under the Eaves
C Trevor Linden Just my favorite player ever. Big, tough, nice guy. Was a great leader while he had the C in Vancouver and almost never bitched (even after Messier came in, stole the C, and the team went to pot).
RW Brett Hull One of the only guys with an ACTUAL on-camera personality in the whole NHL
LW Cam Neely Might've been the best LW of all-time if injuries hadn't limited him. Plus, Seabass and those ESPN News commercials were hilarious.
D Ray Bourque Everything's been said.
D Nicklas Lidstrom Always seems to be the most consistent Red Wing.
G Grant Fuhr Loved him on the Oilers and then he went on to have probably his best statistical years with the Blues in the mid to late 90s.
Of course, my pick of the BEST players would be completely different.
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Center: Gotta go with Gretz---greatest.player.ever.
Forward: Wendel Clark. If any players played with half the heart he did, the league would be in much better shape.
Forward: Reggie Leach. Great hockey player---horrible life.
Defence: Ray Bourque. Nodoby has a first pass like he did.
Defence: Paul Coffee. Played like a forward his whole career. Great numbers, and a steady player in his own zone.
Goal: Patrick Roy. I hate the guy, but you cannot dispute the fact that he is the epitome of the ``Money Goalìe`` Although my heart was telling me either Jon Casey or Allan Bester......I had to go wtih numbers...
Center: Gretzky- I missed out on seeing DiMaggio play baseball, but I'm damn proud to be able to say I've seen The Great One play hockey. Forward- Mike Bossy Forward- Pat Lafontaine- My favorite player of all time. Defense- Ray Borque Defense- Clark Gilles Goal- Patrick Roy- God I used to hate this guy when he was in Montreal because of how consistently he used to shut the Isles down, but I have to respect the guy as one of the greatest goalies ever.
Alternates include: Super Mario, Bobby Nystrom, Brett Hull, Bryan Trottier, Darius Karparitis, Martin Brodeur.
Hmm, methinks this team would go over pretty well on Long Island! ;-)
(edited by Dagent913 on 31.3.04 1754)
(edited by Dagent913 on 31.3.04 1754) "Moistening your dreams with man-urine."
I'm going decidedly old school: -Gary Roberts, Joe Nieuwendyk & Theoren Fleury as the forwards (Best line in Flames history). -Al MacInnis & Bobby Orr on D. -Martin Brodeur in net. -Oh, and Badger Bob Johnson behind the bench.
THE FLAMES: 40-29-7-3 for 90 points in 79 games 3rd in Northwest Div.; 6th in Western Conf.; 13th in NHL MAGIC NUMBER: 1.5
C: Lindros...maybe the biggest "coulda shoulda woulda" hockey has seen in a while, but my fave player since I was nine years old. A skilled player who could fight his own battles, it's just a shame that it was him and not Clarke that got bumped off Broad St.
RW: Ulf Dahlen. Not quite sure why, but he was always a fave of mine. OK, that's a lie, I know why he was a fave of mine...he overachieved in hockey pools for me in grade seven and eight. What can I say, sometimes I impress easily.
LW: John LeClair. Love that legion of doom! I never really cared for Brett Hull or Cam Neely, I'd rather have...
D: Ulf Samuelsson. Dirtiest bastard whoever played, granted, more of a choice from a personal encounter. I don't think I ever laughed so hard as when he and some of his Swedish club team came to town and broke some stuff in the hallway of the arena with a soccer ball during the lockout in '94. Plus I never liked Cam Neely anyway.
D: Rob Blake. Just all around a great player, maybe not on the level of Bourque or Coffey, but I cheered for the Kings in the pre-Lindros era so when Blake was breaking in, so I'll go with him.
G: Kelly Hrudey. Same rationale as with Blake, I was pulling real hard for LA to win that Cup in '93 and always felt Hrudey didn't get the credit he deserved that year. One of the more underrated goalies of the late 80s and early 90s.
Coach: Ted Nolan. Kinda got a soft spot for Nolan, having met him a couple times as a kid when he coached Sault Ste. Marie in the OHL. I was always impressed that he always had a moment and a polite word, even for a young kid during intermissions of road games. To see him get dicked around in the NHL the way he did because of Hasek and Muckler is just flat out bogus.
I have a group of friends in Vancouver and a group of friends in Toronto: each of them don't care that he retired. It's too bad that he strung Vancouver along as long as he did; but I guess since he did it to Toronto, why not somewhere else?