The Hawk deserves to be in the Hall, but Robby Alomar was Robbed...
Here's your vote breakdowns (who is voting for David Segui??):
Andre Dawson 420 (77.9%), Bert Blyleven 400 (74.2%), Roberto Alomar 397 (73.7%), Jack Morris 282 (52.3%), Barry Larkin 278 (51.6%), Lee Smith 255 (47.3%), Edgar Martinez 195 (36.2%), Tim Raines 164 (30.4%), Mark McGwire 128 (23.7%), Alan Trammell 121 (22.4%), Fred McGriff 116 (21.5%), Don Mattingly 87 (16.1%), Dave Parker 82 (15.2%), Dale Murphy 63 (11.7%), Harold Baines 33 (6.1%), Andres Galarraga 22 (4.1%), Robin Ventura 7 (1.3%), Ellis Burks 2 (0.4%), Eric Karros 2 (0.4%), Kevin Appier 1 (0.2%), Pat Hentgen 1 (0.2%), David Segui 1 (0.2%), Mike Jackson 0, Ray Lankford 0, Shane Reynolds 0, Todd Zeile 0.
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Originally posted by Baseball Hall of Fame (community.baseballhall.org)BBWAA Elects "Hawk" to the Hall of Fame January 6, 2010
NEW YORK, NY – Andre Dawson, a five-tool player who won eight Gold Glove and four Silver Slugger Awards in a career spanning 21 seasons with the Montreal Expos, Chicago Cubs, Boston Red Sox and Florida Marlins, was elected to the National Baseball Hall of Fame by the Baseball Writers’ Association of America in balloting verified by Ernst & Young. He will be inducted into the Hall July 25 at the Clark Sports Center in Cooperstown, N.Y.
Dawson, whose fielding prowess earned him the nickname “The Hawk,” will be honored along with manager Whitey Herzog and umpire Doug Harvey, who were elected last month by the Veterans Committee, at the ceremony that will include the presentation of the J.G. Taylor Spink Award for baseball writing to Bill Madden of the New York Daily News. The Ford C. Frick Award for broadcasting will be announced February 1.
In the BBWAA election, 539 ballots, including five blanks, were cast by members with 10 or more consecutive years’ service. Players must be named on 75 percent of ballots submitted to be elected. This year, 405 votes were required.
Dawson was listed on 420 ballots (77.9%) to win election in his ninth year on the ballot. His election brings to 292 the number of elected members of the Hall. Of that total, 203 are former major-league players, of which 109 have been through the BBWAA ballot. Dawson is the 68th outfielder overall elected to the Hall.
A .279 career hitter with 438 home runs, 1,591 runs batted in and 314 stolen bases, Dawson was the National League Rookie of the Year with the Expos in 1977 and the NL Most Valuable Player in 1987 with the Cubs. The eight-time All-Star underwent 12 knee surgeries during his career but ended up with more than 400 home runs and 300 stolen bases, a feat achieved by only two other players in history, Willie Mays and Barry Bonds.
For the first time in BBWAA balloting, two candidates failed to gain election by fewer than 10 votes. Pitcher Bert Blyleven, on the ballot for the 13th time, got 400 votes (74.2%). Second baseman Roberto Alomar, on the ballot for the first time, had 397 (73.7%), the most for a first-year candidate without being elected.
Blyleven’s five-vote margin was the fifth fewest in history, trailing only Nellie Fox (1985) and Pie Traynor (1947), who each missed by two votes, and Billy Williams (1986) and Jim Bunning (1988), who each missed by four. All were eventually elected, Traynor in 1948 and Williams in 1987 by the BBWAA and Bunning in 1996 and Fox in 1997 by the Veterans Committee.
Players may remain on the ballot for up to 15 years provided they receive five percent of the vote in any year. There were 11 candidates who failed to make the cut this year, all among the 15 players who were on the ballot for the first time.
The first-year candidates who received sufficient support to remain other than Alomar were shortstop Barry Larkin with 278 (51.6%), designated hitter-third baseman Edgar Martinez with 195 (36.2%) and first baseman Fred McGriff with 116 (21.5%).
Other holdovers who will remain on the ballot are pitchers Jack Morris and Lee Smith, first basemen Don Mattingly and Mark McGwire, shortstop Alan Trammell, outfielder-DH Harold Baines and outfielders Tim Raines, Dave Parker and Dale Murphy.
The vote: Andre Dawson 420 (77.9%) Bert Blyleven 400 (74.2%) Roberto Alomar 397 (73.7%) Jack Morris 282 (52.3%) Barry Larkin 278 (51.6%) Lee Smith 255 (47.3%) Edgar Martinez 195 (36.2%) Tim Raines 164 (30.4%) Mark McGwire 128 (23.7%) Alan Trammell 121 (22.4%) Fred McGriff 116 (21.5%) Don Mattingly 87 (16.1%) Dave Parker 82 (15.2%) Dale Murphy 63 (11.7%) Harold Baines 33 (6.1%) Andres Galarraga 22 (4.1%) Robin Ventura 7 (1.3%) Ellis Burks 2 (0.4%) Eric Karros 2 (0.4%) Kevin Appier 1 (0.2%) Pat Hentgen 1 (0.2%) David Segui 1 (0.2%) Mike Jackson 0 Ray Lankford 0 Shane Reynolds 0 Todd Zeile 0
So Blyleven needed five more votes? Criminy. Take out the five blanks and....well, he STILL doesn't make it, becuase it's 74.9% then. Poor Bert!
Originally posted by Spiraling_ShapeThe Hawk deserves to be in the Hall, but Robby Alomar was Robbed...
I dislike Alomar because of the spitting incident, but I think he deserves to be in. I can't really stand the writers who say that nobody deserves first time ballot status. If a player has great numbers, he belongs in the Hall.
And, the assclowns that submitted blank ballots should have their vote taken away. if you don't want to vote Alomar, or Larkin in, in their first years, I can live with that, but to not vote for ANYBODY means that you don't think anybody is worthy. Regardless of the fact that people's numbers compare favorably. It's just some guy with a vote being an ass.
That being said Blylevin should make it next year.
Originally posted by StaggerLeeAnd, the assclowns that submitted blank ballots should have their vote taken away. if you don't want to vote Alomar, or Larkin in, in their first years, I can live with that, but to not vote for ANYBODY means that you don't think anybody is worthy. Regardless of the fact that people's numbers compare favorably. It's just some guy with a vote being an ass.
Yeah, there's no reason to do that. Which (of course) means nothing will change, this being baseball and all. If voters see fit to cast ballots based on the most asinine aspects of the sport's history, such as "oh, he doesn't deserve to go in on the first ballot, but I'll vote him in the second time around" or "since no one's ever been a unanimous Hall of Famer, no one should ever be one"... yeah, I wouldn't mind nuking the entire system.
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So let's see, Blyleven and Alomar will get in next year, and Larkin should be in within 5 years. It's too early to say whether Martinez will be a Dawson/Jim Rice type that gets in eventually or a Steve Garvey/Ron Santo type that is on the ballot for 15 years but never really has a chance.
Originally posted by Spiraling_ShapeHere's your vote breakdowns (who is voting for David Segui??)
Segui gets a vote, but the most prolific home run hitter in the history of baseball* doesn't? How is THAT possible?
*whose last name starts with the letter Z
Yes, but Burks and Karros each had TWO votes.
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Congrats to Dawson on getting in. I'm surprised in Alomar & Byeleven not getting in, but they're close enough that it's only a matter of time. What I'm really shocked about is that McGriff being so down on the list, even lower than McGwire. He doesn't have any questions about steriods and I feel it can be argued that he had a better all around career then McGwire, so why the non-love for him?
If Alomar had been inducted and either Jacques Doucet or Tom Cheek wins the Ford Frick award, Cooperstown could've had a nice little tribute to Canadian baseball cooking at this year's HOF ceremony. (Since Dawson would almost assuredly be going in as an Expo.)
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