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You do not like the new spending measures the government has taken.

Or you support enforcing immigration laws.

Or you participate in "right wing internet chatter"

From the Dept of Homeland Security:
http://www.thelibertypapers.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/hsa-rightwing-extremism-09-04-07.pdf

(edited by StaggerLee on 14.4.09 1338)
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Then a Right Wing Extremist I am...and proud of it!



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1. That is actually an interesting read.


    DHS/I&A assesses that the combination of environmental factors that echo
    the 1990s, including heightened interest in legislation for tighter firearms restrictions and
    returning military veterans, as well as several new trends, including an uncertain
    economy and a perceived rising influence of other countries, may be invigorating
    rightwing extremist activity, specifically the white supremacist and militia movements.
    To the extent that these factors persist, rightwing extremism is likely to grow in strength.


2. Unless anyone who frequents this board is proactively involved right wing militant cell past the "Someone on the internet is WRONG!" stage... you're just trolling. Seriously, my friend who runs a leftist LGBT Gun Zine in Portland is more likely to be on a government watch list than anyone here.

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You wanted the best, you got... Out of Context Quote of the Week.

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    Originally posted by Lise
    Unless anyone who frequents this board is proactively involved right wing militant cell past the "Someone on the internet is WRONG!" stage... you're just trolling.


Yeah, pretty much. (banishes)



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    Originally posted by drjayphd
    Yeah, pretty much. (banishes)
I think you may be missing some context...which is rather understandable, since StaggerLee provided none.

The original link is over here (thelibertypapers.org).


(edited by CRZ on 14.4.09 2252)


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You wanted the best, you got... Out of Context Quote of the Week.

"Mangini might not have had balls, but he DID have soft, supple breasts." (SEADAWG)


    Originally posted by CRZ
      Originally posted by drjayphd
      Yeah, pretty much. (banishes)
    I think you may be missing some context...which is rather understandable, since StaggerLee provided none.

    The original link is over here (thelibertypapers.org).


    (edited by CRZ on 14.4.09 2252)


Yeah, that does help. Although some of the comments on that post really don't do the topic any favors (such as the commenter pillorying the OP for daring to go on the Rachel Maddow show).

Wouldn't be surprised if the document turned out to be fake, although if it's real it kind of makes sense to consider the militia types as domestic terrorists. Best watch who you lump into that category; being a moonbat doesn't make someone dangerous.



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
    Originally posted by Lise
    Seriously, my friend who runs a leftist LGBT Gun Zine in Portland is more likely to be on a government watch list than anyone here.
Is that "American Gun Culture Report"?

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(edited by Karlos the Jackal on 14.4.09 2223)

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Considering I heard my old man listening to some airhead prattle on about grabbing your guns, barricading DC with your cars, and a general 'change must come through the barrel of a gun' rhetoric to uphold right wing values, I'm rather glad that this initiative is in place.

Furthermore, over the past 50 years, consider how many terrorist acts on American soil have been purpetrated from foreign interests, like both WTC incidents, to how many have been purpetrated domestically, like Oklahoma City, Olympic Pipe Bombings, students dead at VA Tech, students dead at Kent State, Synagogue fires, Church Fires, burning crosses, etc. That's 2 to too many to count. And, if you don't like the Dept. of Homeland Security and PATRIOT being used to monitor Americans, blame the guy who created it.

And, most importantly, anybody who decides that preaching use of violence to decry the way their government works obviously wants attention. Now they're getting it. As been stated for almost 6 1/2 to 7 years already, the people who worry about being monitored are the ones who need to be. Enjoy.





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    Originally posted by Lexus
    And, if you don't like the Dept. of Homeland Security and PATRIOT being used to monitor Americans, blame the guy who created it.


(...and the "opposition" party members that supported said guy's idea to create these things.)
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    Originally posted by Lexus
    Considering I heard my old man listening to some airhead prattle on about grabbing your guns, barricading DC with your cars, and a general 'change must come through the barrel of a gun' rhetoric to uphold right wing values, I'm rather glad that this initiative is in place.


Yes, I'm sure if a Republican was in office and a report like this came out warning against left-wing extremists that you would be on the White House lawn, cheering madly. Of course, you'd probably have to wade through the onslaught of media doing round-the-clock reporting on how they were profiling innocent Americans.

In the interest of fairness, there is also a published DHS report on left-wing extremists and the increased threat of "cyber-attacks" in accordance with "their no-harm doctrine". No word on whether or not left-wing groups possibly seeking to murder execs from companies like AIG are a threat or not.

(edited by Reverend J Shaft on 15.4.09 0914)
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    Originally posted by MisterHenderson
    Then a Right Wing Extremist I am...and proud of it!


Guilty here as well. Come get me. But stay low :)



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I find this sad. Both extremes are poison but have the right to say what they will as long as they don't cross that line to illegal action.

There may be a difference in tactics but in my mind, the political spectrum isn't a line but a circle with the extremists closing the circle. IMO, there isn't a lick of difference between the extremists. They keep us from being open, honest, and working toward real solutions.

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    Originally posted by Karlos the Jackal
      Originally posted by Lise
      Seriously, my friend who runs a leftist LGBT Gun Zine in Portland is more likely to be on a government watch list than anyone here.
    Is that "American Gun Culture Report"?

    --K

    (edited by Karlos the Jackal on 14.4.09 2223)


Yes, that is the one. This is likely to have me on a watch list, as well, since he calls our house and has stayed with us.




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    Originally posted by Karlos the Jackal
      Originally posted by Lise
      Seriously, my friend who runs a leftist LGBT Gun Zine in Portland is more likely to be on a government watch list than anyone here.
    Is that "American Gun Culture Report"?

    --K

    (edited by Karlos the Jackal on 14.4.09 2223)


That's the one. http://www.americangunculturereport.com/ The video actually sums up what he's trying to do quite nicely, but I would have picked something other than German Hip Hop for the music. I'm sure the lyrics are completely on message, but the majority of his viewers probably don't speak German.
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I find this report facinating. It is sort of an anthropological risk assessment report based on past behavior. It makes the assessment that there wasn't further violence after Oklahoma City because of scrutiny, and that many of the same conditions that led to Oklahoma City exist currently. It also points out that the groups most likely to cause problems seem to be content to sit back and stir the pot rather than mobilize at this time. It points out disgruntled military personel if they get swept into these groups to be a high risk due to training and equipment. It also points out that very few disgruntled military personel joined these groups before. It does make wide sweeping generalizations about the sorts people in these groups, but *I* read that as government CYA. Pretty much every group is going to come in under that umbrella, so if something happens the creators of the report can say "See we warned you, not our fault." Honestly, it is interesting, but it is so general that it has no use to anyone. It's like a memo about a new software implimentation sent to the sales staff and not the one sent to IT staff who are going to support the software.
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    Originally posted by Lise
      Originally posted by Karlos the Jackal
        Originally posted by Lise
        Seriously, my friend who runs a leftist LGBT Gun Zine in Portland is more likely to be on a government watch list than anyone here.
      Is that "American Gun Culture Report"?

      --K

      (edited by Karlos the Jackal on 14.4.09 2223)


    That's the one.
Smallish world! I don't know the guy, but I reviewed his zine for the latest issue of Zine World (undergroundpress.org).

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    Originally posted by Reverend J Shaft
    Yes, I'm sure if a Republican was in office and a report like this came out warning against left-wing extremists that you would be on the White House lawn, cheering madly. Of course, you'd probably have to wade through the onslaught of media doing round-the-clock reporting on how they were profiling innocent Americans.


Sure would, though I haven't been to the White House lawn yet. My opinion would be identical if there was a Republican in charge keeping an eye out for left-wing extremists as well, provided of course they were domestic. Policing the world sounds all well and good, don't get me wrong, but what's the point if a group of yahoos from either a red or blue state with red or blue intentions successfully launch an attack? We all wanted Homeland Security and PATRIOT, remember? Now, we all get to enjoy it.

Not that it'll do a fat lot of good. The big problem here is that the Government has really shown it's hand. Good old fashioned crazy violent won't. As much as I love a blowhard having his e-mails read somewhere between Langley and Quantico, the sheer irony that completely unorganized listeners will act on this, much to the surprise, dismay, and chagrin of any and all law enforcement agencies, seeing their heroes seemingly martyred by being monitored.



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I enjoyed attending a right wing extremist rally today. me and maybe 1500 other extremists, many of them union guys, soccer mom and a few of those potentially extremist military members. It was a so-called "tea party".

I am sure I am on the list now



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I love the concept of the "tea parties."

The people that looked down their noses and sneered at anti-war protesters a few years back are now protesting what? Increased domestic spending? They didn't mind pouring two billion dollars a week into Iraq where the people running the war openly admitted to losing 1/3 of the money. But now they are protesting Obama cutting taxes and building roads and bridges?

I bet if Obama had announced on the day after he took office he was asking congress for $500 Billion dollars to invade Iran no one currently "tea partying" would bat an eyelash. On second thought maybe they would.

And just for shits and giggles, the same tea partiers are howling and wailing about being monitored for possible extremism, when two years ago none of them gave two shits about the Bush administration tapping phone calls without warrants. Or suspending habeas corpus.

Its like they all went into a coma in 2001 and woke up three weeks ago.



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I have to kinda agree and wonder if the right really thought this was something anyone other than their base was going to get behind.

Or maybe it was just for their base, but I still don't get it.
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    Originally posted by rockdotcom_2.0
    I love the concept of the "tea parties."

    The people that looked down their noses and sneered at anti-war protesters a few years back are now protesting what? Increased domestic spending? They didn't mind pouring two billion dollars a week into Iraq where the people running the war openly admitted to losing 1/3 of the money. But now they are protesting Obama cutting taxes and building roads and bridges?

    I bet if Obama had announced on the day after he took office he was asking congress for $500 Billion dollars to invade Iran no one currently "tea partying" would bat an eyelash. On second thought maybe they would.

    And just for shits and giggles, the same tea partiers are howling and wailing about being monitored for possible extremism, when two years ago none of them gave two shits about the Bush administration tapping phone calls without warrants. Or suspending habeas corpus.

    Its like they all went into a coma in 2001 and woke up three weeks ago.


I don't mind increased domestic spending, IF the nation can afford it. To ring up 4 times the budget deficit from the previous administration in 60 days is irresponsible, no matter which party would be doing it.

500 Billion to invade Iran, to me, is better than a few trillion to study fish, pig poop, and bail out poorly run companies. But, that's just me.

Just curious though, what do you make of the Democrats/liberals/progressives/libertarians that were at the protests as well? Or do you think it was all just Old Rich White Republicans?

And, if you are mad about the wire tapping and the habeas corpus, then I guess you aren't a fan of the current administration, who've continued both programs, and are taking even more desperate measures to ensure they continue.
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