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Since: 6.1.02
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Compared to the Belgians

(edited by MoeGates on 21.2.03 1306)

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Since: 11.7.02
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Yup...that's pretty bad. Of course, Beligum is not a real country, but an incredible facsimile.



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- Theodore Roosevelt, Ocotber 12, 1915
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This is the sort of thing that gives me a bad feeling about the rest of the world.... especially right now. I mean, I truly believe that we are doing right in the "War on Terror," I honestly believe that Iraq is undeniably linked to that effort... but looking at the rest of the world today, where it seems as if this is an issue that can tear apart the Hats and Robes (errr... the UN), and force some radical divisions among nations...

Are we harding for another World War sometime in the next decade?

Do not get me wrong- I do not think we should cower from acting (on Iraq or anywhere) because of this potential- I find it cowardly not to "Do Right," even when faced with the resulting threats, but it is worth considering the results of the next few years. Belgium is looking more like a radical Muslim nation than a Democracy- France is lead by a guy who has publically called, on many occasions, Saddaam Hussein a "Personal Friend," and negotiated nuclear deals as Premier with him on several occasions, behind the French government's back, we have Germany who is vaccilating back and forth, We have virtually silent nations in Russia and China, both of whom could bring great forces to bear, have not been completely outspoken AGAINST a war (only murmors that they might oppose it), but are bitter rivals so either one could fall either way out of spite- you have nuclear powers India and Pakistan in the region, at each other's throats, We have a strong Israel growing tired of attempting peace with the Palestinians, who are bound to blow a gasket and lash out if Iraq hits them... North Korea is throwing an attention deprived temper tantrum, and then there is the totally unpredictible element of the terrorists, who are like a pissed off hornet's nest right now, and could strike anywhere...

Am I the only one who thinks that this could get really, really ugly for the world in the years to come? WWI started over something far less consequential...

(edited by Pool-Boy on 21.2.03 1116)


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Always a possibility. The real question is who will be on who's side. Sure, the Belgians have nothing to be proud of, and the French and the Russians will come along at some point. But there will be a war at some point between those that believe in freedom and those that don't.

Of course, I also think that the US will have another civil war by the end of the century as well...



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Now, I've never been to this forum, and I'm not so politically inclined, but I've been to Belgium, and they stink. A few years ago, a friend and I ended a week of week in Prague and Amsterdam by flying out of Brussels. After our train dropped us at the station, we were treated rudely by the staff, charged ridiculous amounts for stinking cheese sandwhiches at the airport, and delayed for hours witout any explanation. Finally, they jammed us into tiny buses and drove us to the plane, then told us we had to wait cramped in the buses because they were unable to de-ice the wings. Less than five minutes later, with no further explanation about the safety of the wings, we were loaded onto the plane and sent out. So, based on 5 hours or so in the country, I'm going with...Belgium stinks.
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Since: 12.10.02
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Belgians have good waffles and chocolates. Or are Belgian Waffles like French Fries?

In seriousness, this all reminds me of a board room meeting. The first rule is don't cave to the vocal minority and ignore the silent majority.
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    After our train dropped us at the station, we were treated rudely by the staff, charged ridiculous amounts for stinking cheese sandwhiches at the airport, and delayed for hours witout any explanation. Finally, they jammed us into tiny buses and drove us to the plane, then told us we had to wait cramped in the buses because they were unable to de-ice the wings. Less than five minutes later, with no further explanation about the safety of the wings, we were loaded onto the plane and sent out.




You know... This isn't that much different from US airports.

Every country has their reasons for acting the way they do. It's my opinion that before bashing someone, one should (at least try) see the world through their point of view.

Do you really believe Bush is worried about people of Iraq or terrorists? He is only worried that he won't be allowed to get any of that precious oil from Iraq. Every single war is about money. That's why most of the countries, and most of the people in the world are against this war. People have to die to satisfy the greed of others. Will it stop US? No. But at least don't condemn countries who are trying to protest it any way possible.



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#8 Posted on

    Originally posted by jentos

      After our train dropped us at the station, we were treated rudely by the staff, charged ridiculous amounts for stinking cheese sandwhiches at the airport, and delayed for hours witout any explanation. Finally, they jammed us into tiny buses and drove us to the plane, then told us we had to wait cramped in the buses because they were unable to de-ice the wings. Less than five minutes later, with no further explanation about the safety of the wings, we were loaded onto the plane and sent out.




    You know... This isn't that much different from US airports.

    Every country has their reasons for acting the way they do. It's my opinion that before bashing someone, one should (at least try) see the world through their point of view.

    Do you really believe Bush is worried about people of Iraq or terrorists? He is only worried that he won't be allowed to get any of that precious oil from Iraq. Every single war is about money. That's why most of the countries, and most of the people in the world are against this war. People have to die to satisfy the greed of others. Will it stop US? No. But at least don't condemn countries who are trying to protest it any way possible.






Because we all know the French government is against the war for humanitarian means, not as a method to ensure their oil contracts in Iraq stay in effect.



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Of course not. War and humanitarian can't be used together. I'm just pointing out that it's fairly hipocritical for US to bash countries like France and Belgium.



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#10 Posted on

    Originally posted by jentos

    Every single war is about money. That's why most of the countries, and most of the people in the world are against this war. People have to die to satisfy the greed of others. Will it stop US? No. But at least don't condemn countries who are trying to protest it any way possible.



Every single war is about money?!? What about the American Civil War? WW2? American Revolution?

Furthermore, if the only U.S. concern was oil, why didn't Bush Sr. just take it back in 1991 when he had the opportunity? And, why go to all this trouble over Iraq when they could get far more oil and the same amount of grief by going after Venezuela or Saudia Arabia?
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American Civil War? You think it was about slavery? North didn't want South to leave the Union. Why? Taxes.

WW2? German economy was in shreds. They couldn't expect any financial help from US or Russia )two superpowers at the time). So the went to war trying to expand their land and economy.

American Revolution? I always thought it was about "unfair" taxes.




I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with wars being about money. I kinda take it as a way the world works.



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I'm wouldn't say "every single war is about money," but I do think the money factor concerning (especially) American wars isn't something you read about in the history books enough. But even just taking the history book version:

American Revolution? Don't they teach you that was about taxes? Civil War? Don't they you that was about tarrifs and slavery? It's not like the South enslaved people just for fun. They did it because it was cheaper than hiring workers. WWII is the best example of the bunch.




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    Originally posted by jentos
    American Civil War? You think it was about slavery? North didn't want South to leave the Union. Why? Taxes.

    WW2? German economy was in shreds. They couldn't expect any financial help from US or Russia )two superpowers at the time). So the went to war trying to expand their land and economy.

    American Revolution? I always thought it was about "unfair" taxes.




    I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with wars being about money. I kinda take it as a way the world works.







Until Hitler double-crossed Stalin in June 1941, Germany was receiving financial support for about two years from the Soviet Union due to the non-aggression pact of August 1939.



The only military skill provided by the French is demonstrating the methods of surrendering.
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True. Yet it was inconcistent and rare. Which provoked Hitler to eventualy attack Russia. He became more or less insane with power, and was upset that Russia refused to surender some nearby countries.



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