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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.28
I won't call it a spectacular catch, but I will call that great hustle and an extreme disregard for one's own well being. Pokey actually having to go into the stands to make the catch earlier in the game was better, Jeter's was just a better visual.

He caught the ball a good four strides before the wall, but man, he didn't even try to slow down. He must've gone 3-4 rows into the stands.

I'm far from a Jeter fan, but the great plays he makes aren't because of sheer talent. He just out-hustles the rest of the field a lot of the time (think ALCS vs A's and Jeremy Giambi's no-sliding sorry ass) and I think that it creates the perception that he's better than he is. Which isn't to say that he's bad, he's just not the super-duper-God-of-a-shortstop that he's made out to be sometimes.

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You wanted the best, you got... Out of Context Quote of the Week.

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I meant that the Yankees were supposed to be the ones with no blood pumping in their veins... problem is the Bosox haven't been showing enough life for me to be comfortable, either. Nomar's gotta act like he wants to be there (comments and seeming separation from his teammates aren't helping). I dunno, I try to not live up to the stereotype, but the Red Sox this season are not making me comfortable.



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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.20
    Originally posted by JayJayDean
    I was thinking even BEFORE A-Rod got there. Why not move him to left, or center, or right field last year, when they had Karim Frickin' Garcia out there? He wouldn't be the first shortstop to change positions. Like the Yankees couldn't find another great player to play SS. Surely they could've traded for Tejada if they'd wanted to.


Well this past offseason Steinbrenner could've just bought Tejada since he was a free agent, although Tejada was kind of picky about where he wanted to play wasn't he? (or am I thinking of Vladimir?)

So then the question would be what's the better option. Jeter in OF and Tejada at SS or Jeter at SS and Sheffield at OF. Or you could've moved Jeter to outfield to get A-Rod at SS and try and find a 3B somewhere else. Actually didn't Sheffield used to play 3B?



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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.70
    Originally posted by Quezzy
    Actually didn't Sheffield used to play 3B?


Yes, and he's god awful at it. He came up as a shortstop.



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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.28
    Originally posted by ScottChrist
      Originally posted by Quezzy
      Actually didn't Sheffield used to play 3B?


    Yes, and he's god awful at it. He came up as a shortstop.


He made an appearance at third on Thursday and (I believe) made a bad throw to first after Jeter faceplanted in the third row.




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In the context of baseball, the use of drugs hurts only the player. In the context of baseball, the use of alcohol hurts only the player. In the context of baseball, womanizing hurts whom? Maybe the wife of the player? In the context of baseball, felonies are crimes against society, not against baseball. In the context of baseball, gambling is the only crime against baseball.

Gambling, in the context of baseball, is a capital offense and Rose has richly earned-- hell, he agreed to-- his death sentence. Let him hang.

Bob Kohm, co-owner of Rotojunkies.com (rotojunkies.com) , and a large market kind of guy.
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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.87
    Originally posted by The Lurk
    I didn't think the catch was all that great. He caught the ball three steps from the wall and I really think he could have slowed down. But it's just another case of Jeter being Jeter and pandering for the cameras, TRYING to make the highlight reels and look good instead of making the routine play.
Helpful hint: watch the game with your eyes open. Jeter could have slowed down? Did you see where he came from to make that play? SS, not 3B. How could he have slowed down when he was going full tilt to get there? We all know he is not the greatest shortstop, or even the greatest hitting shortstop. but pandering? Trying to make the highlight reel and look good? WTF? I have no idea what game or team you were watching, but myself, I watch every Yankee game there is, and I saw a guy hustle like hell to get to the ball. On top of that, said guy didn't seem to put himself before the play. The job is, if you can catch the ball, catch the ball. He caught the fucking ball, what else do you want? He is trying to look good....how good did his face look afterward? He didn't fall into the stands, he flew in. I look at Boston, and I believe Nixon, Varitek, or Millar would make the same play in the same situation. To me it seems to be a combination of instincts and desire, making that play. It wasn't just the play itself that was heralded, it was the unselfishness/desire/team-first-mentality of what followed.


Jeter has 4 rings, been to 6 Series, is a spokesman for countless companies, is always seen with hot chicks, makes $19 mil a year, and has the respect of MANY, if not all, of MLB (according to countless writers). All that... and he must still manage to pander, show off, and make himself look good?? Please Derek, don't fucking bother trying to please "The Lurk", or you will never sleep.



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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.38
    Originally posted by ScottChrist
      Originally posted by Quezzy
      Actually didn't Sheffield used to play 3B?


    Yes, and he's god awful at it. He came up as a shortstop.







Part of the problem with him at 3rd was his intentionally committing errors in order to get traded out of Milwaukee. That's always been a question I've had about Sheffield: How is intentionally committing errors not throwing games that results in a lifetime ban from baseball?



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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.28
    Originally posted by jfkfc
      Originally posted by The Lurk
      I didn't think the catch was all that great. He caught the ball three steps from the wall and I really think he could have slowed down. But it's just another case of Jeter being Jeter and pandering for the cameras, TRYING to make the highlight reels and look good instead of making the routine play.
    Helpful hint: watch the game with your eyes open. Jeter could have slowed down? Did you see where he came from to make that play? SS, not 3B. How could he have slowed down when he was going full tilt to get there? We all know he is not the greatest shortstop, or even the greatest hitting shortstop. but pandering? Trying to make the highlight reel and look good? WTF? I have no idea what game or team you were watching, but myself, I watch every Yankee game there is, and I saw a guy hustle like hell to get to the ball. On top of that, said guy didn't seem to put himself before the play. The job is, if you can catch the ball, catch the ball. He caught the fucking ball, what else do you want? He is trying to look good....how good did his face look afterward? He didn't
    fall into the stands, he flew in. I look at Boston, and I believe Nixon, Varitek, or Millar would make the same play in the same situation. To me it seems to be a combination of instincts and desire, making that play. It wasn't just the play itself that was heralded, it was the unselfishness/desire/team-first-mentality of what followed.


    Jeter has 4 rings, been to 6 Series, is a spokesman for countless companies, is always seen with hot chicks, makes $19 mil a year, and has the respect of MANY, if not all, of MLB (according to countless writers). All that... and he must still manage to pander, show off, and make himself look good?? Please Derek, don't fucking bother trying to please "The Lurk", or you will never sleep.


This is exactly what I said...he simply out-hustles 95 per cent of the other MLB places half the time. This is what makes me respect him. He doesn't have the greatest physical tools, he simply uses what has been Given to him, he just uses them to the fullest extent. More than I've seen anyone use in my admittedly short time watching this great GAME. (I'm barely almost 22.)

    Originally posted by redsoxnation
      Originally posted by ScottChrist
        Originally posted by Quezzy
        Actually didn't Sheffield used to play 3B?


      Yes, and he's god awful at it. He came up as a shortstop.







    Part of the problem with him at 3rd was his intentionally committing errors in order to get traded out of Milwaukee. That's always been a question I've had about Sheffield: How is intentionally committing errors not throwing games that results in a lifetime ban from baseball?


It isn't, you just can't prove it in the same way you can with say, Pete Rose. You can always fall back on the excuse that he was a horrible defensive SS/3B whatever, and that to play in the field he needed to be hidden in the OF.




(Not Bob Kohm)


In the context of baseball, the use of drugs hurts only the player. In the context of baseball, the use of alcohol hurts only the player. In the context of baseball, womanizing hurts whom? Maybe the wife of the player? In the context of baseball, felonies are crimes against society, not against baseball. In the context of baseball, gambling is the only crime against baseball.

Gambling, in the context of baseball, is a capital offense and Rose has richly earned-- hell, he agreed to-- his death sentence. Let him hang.

Bob Kohm, co-owner of Rotojunkies.com (rotojunkies.com) , and a large market kind of guy.
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I don't think he's played 3rd since about 1995. However in terms of fielding, you are correct, he left Philly after 2005 and hasn't really spent any time playing 1st base since.
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