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A-Rod to Boston?...

According to ESPN, it might happen.

EDIT: Hopefully the sox would only have to pickup part of his salary for next year only.



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There is no way the Sox will pick up any of Manny's salary. I mean when they trade for A-rod anyways they will already be takening on $90 Million more. Hicks is just getting greedy now but will change his mind. This deal makes too much sence for it not to happen. Theo will not fall for it.


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    Originally posted by calvinh0560
    There is no way the Sox will pick up any of Manny's salary. I mean when they trade for A-rod anyways there will aready be takening on $90 Million more. Hicks is just getting greedy now but will change his mind. Theo will not fall for it.




I hope your right. Manny has $5M less per year and 2 years shorter of a contract yet Texas expects the Sox to still take on part of his salary?





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Don't deal Nomar to the Angels! We need a second baseman! If Nomar can be an All-Star calibre SS/2B, teams will be all over him next year. It works for everybody, especially us!



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Getting rid of Nomar and Manny and getting only A-Rod in return is a net loss for the team, period. I don't see it happening unless they can replace the Nomar's bat in LF.



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Wow... anyone remember Gammons acting like someone ran over his wife and kicked his dog when he was asked about this rumor?

Either way, I don't do it unless we can fleece Texas even more. Maybe if they can hork up Teixiera/Blalock/Adrian Gonzalez? ;)



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    Originally posted by PalpatineW
    Getting rid of Nomar and Manny and getting only A-Rod in return is a net loss for the team, period. I don't see it happening unless they can replace the Nomar's bat in LF.


While it may be a slight net lose in hitting if we can sign Folke with the 13 million we save when/if we trade Nomar we will be a better team. Come this saturday there will be an extra 200 or so players out there on nontenders. I am sure Theo will find a decent LF for a couple of million. With our much better starting pitching staff plus canything close to a real bullpen next year the sox dont need to lead the leugue in hitting to win as many or more game they did this past year.
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    Originally posted by calvinh0560
      Originally posted by PalpatineW
      Getting rid of Nomar and Manny and getting only A-Rod in return is a net loss for the team, period. I don't see it happening unless they can replace the Nomar's bat in LF.


    While it may be a slight net lose in hitting if we can sign Folke with the 13 million we save when/if we trade Nomar we will be a better team. Come this saturday there will be an extra 200 or so players out there on nontenders. I am sure Theo will find a decent LF for a couple of million. With our much better starting pitching staff plus canything close to a real bullpen next year the sox dont need to lead the leugue in hitting to win as many or more game they did this past year.


They might take a step back in hitting but if they get Foulke, along with already having Schilling, they take about 3 steps forward in the pitching department. That should be at least good for the same amount of wins as last year.





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If they have to pay Texas 12.5 million over 5 years in order to take Manny, they should do it. Consider it the same as extending Ramiro Mendoza's contract over that time period, and its the same cost.
As for left fielders, they should have plenty of outfielders to pick from after the non-tender date of December 20th.



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There's no way this trade happens if Boston doesn't pick up part of Manny's salary. Otherwise, they only save a couple of million bucks a season for the next couple of years, condemning them to suck for at least 2-3 more seasons. Let's not forget, the only reason they wanna move A-Rod is to dump his salary. The guy is the AL MVP; it's not as if he isn't a quality player, not to mention the fact that he's a much better team player than Ramirez. The only way A-Rod gets moved is if it frees up money for the Rangers, and now. A trade for Manny Ramirez under the terms it would take for Texas to make the move would make no sense for Boston. I don't see this happening.
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But you just cant look at it from a one year standpoint. Over the lifetime of the contract the Rangers will save 70 Million Dollars That is one year of there whole teams salary. There are only 2 teams in Baseball that can trade for A-rod. The Sox and the NYY. Even the Mets can't make a deal for them any more since they want to reduce their payroll
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The Yanks and Sox may be the ones best suited to pick up A-Rod's full contract, but that doesn't mean they are the only possible trade destinations. I haven't even heard of much serious interest from New York, since they don't want to move Jeter to another position and they absolutely won't move Jeter off the team to make room for him.

If Boston gets close to getting a deal done I think you'll see the Cubs back in the hunt. They could pay a good chunk of that salary, and were at one point offering a better package than anyone else has to this point (Gonzalez, Zambrano, and Farnsworth, plus prospects). Also, don't discount Baltimore. This was supposed to be their year to get back into the free agent market, as they were supposed to be adding Guerrero and Tejada. If Guerrero winds up back in Montreal, as has been speculated after the Vasquez trade, they might decide that A-Rod is worth the extra money over Tejada and his track record of going home on the last weekend of September.

Theo Epstein is a smart guy. He knows he can afford to pay Rodriguez more than just about any other team, and he knows the one team that can probably afford more money (the Yanks) aren't really in the bidding. He also knows that if he draws this out he can eventually grab A-Rod and pay a lower portion of the salary than if he had to make the deal right away. As the season gets closer the Rangers will be trying harder to move him, and the asking price will go down.

Just look at the NHL and Curtis Joseph....all summer the question was what were the Wings going to get for him and which team would be lucky enough to pick him up. Now, here we are two months into the season and a wealthy contender can't give the guy away. Switch the situation a bit to one where the team trying to move the overpriced player can't win anything and can't afford anyone else and you create an even more desperate situation. The A-Rod trade is not imminent. Any smart GM knows the longer this gets dragged out, the cheaper Rodriguez becomes.

Just because the Bosox and the Yanks have the most money, it doesn't mean that's where Rodriguez will wind up. This is going to go down to the wire so that whoever gets him will end up sticking Texas with the most of his salary that they can. It may the Boston that gets him, but Texas won't move him in a one horse race because they'll get a raw deal for the most valuable player in the league. There will be others in the picture by the time this gets serious.
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Plenty of teams could hamstring themselves with the A-Rod contract, theoretically. The Dodgers, Mariners, Mets, Yankees, Red Sox, Braves and others have large revenue streams. The reason the Red Sox are the primary suitors here is that they have the second largest albatross in baseball, Ramirez. The A-Rod and Manny contracts are comparable; nothing else really comes close. Even Jeter's bloated contract.

The point is, no one else WANTS this contract. If you're Baltimore, why in God's name do you pay $25m/yr for A-Rod (and give talent to Texas) when you can get Tejada for 3yrs/$37m, or something in that neighborhood? Sure, A-Rod is better, but he isn't hundreds of millions of dollars better. Even if you get less output total from Tejada, you're still getting more output per dollar.

Also, I believe your figures are wrong here. Deferred money, arcane finances, etc., along with Manny being off the books two years before A-Rod... The savings for the Rangers, from what numbers I've read, will be closer to $90m total.

Personally, I'd like this trade if Nomar or A-Rod was willing to change positions. The only rumors I've heard about Nomar involve Garret Anderson and Odalis Perez, neither of whom I would trade for Nomar straight up. Nomar can hit as well as Anderson, and that kind of bat is infinitely more valuable at shortstop than it is in left field. As others said, the flood of non tenders is what is really going to change the offseason picture. The Sox will likely find their second baseman, replacement LF, bench, and others in that pile.

Of course, none of us knows what Theo is thinking or doing here. The Manny/A-Rod deal likely ties into a bunch of other things we don't know about. So, like... we'll see.



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    Originally posted by PalpatineW
    Personally, I'd like this trade if Nomar or A-Rod was willing to change positions.


Has anyone heard anything regarding Nomar moving to second? Don't shortstops generally make good center fielders? Aren't teams interested in Johnny Damon?



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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.36
    Originally posted by gugs
      Originally posted by PalpatineW
      Personally, I'd like this trade if Nomar or A-Rod was willing to change positions.


    Has anyone heard anything regarding Nomar moving to second? Don't shortstops generally make good center fielders? Aren't teams interested in Johnny Damon?






The Mets supposedly have interest in Damon.
As for other teams going after A-Rod: The Yankees are out because neither Jeter or A-Rod will move from short. After that, its tough to see another team, as A-Rod has a no-trade clause in his contract, and he's stated he'd only waive it for the Yankees or Red Sox.



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Maybe I'm From Framingham can convince Nomar about the greatness of playing second base. He is a better 2B than SS, you know.



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So the Angels just signed Bartolo Colon. Following the trail of bread crumbs, if this frees up Anaheim to deal Washburn to Boston for Nomar, then Boston can get A-Rod for Manny. Yikes.



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The scary thing is Big Bad, I thought the EXACT SAME THING when I read that Colon had signed with the Angels.

I highly doubt Nomar wants to play 2nd Base OR centerfield if he stays in the American League. With shortstop being the marquee position in that league, he'll want to keep his name in the mix with Jeter, A-Rod, Tejada (assuming he stays in the league), et. al. I just never thought I'd see the day when he would go to another team. I was hoping he was a lifer.



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If there is any doubt about this trade coming down soon, John in the Car Phone (otherwise known as John Henry, Principle Owner), went off on Nomar's agent in the Domincan Republic, basically calling him a fraud www.boston.com . You have to think that the man who wouldn't rip Manny Ramirez in early September publicly wouldn't get into a pissing contest with Nomar and his agent unless the merry-go-round had already been put in motion.



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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.54
If Manny is dealt, who does Boston get to plug the hole in the outfield? Anaheim won't deal Garret Anderson, even for Nomar.



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