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http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/​2012/​01/​mariners-​yankees-​swap-​pineda-​for-​montero.html?​utm_​source=twitterfeed&​utm_​medium=twitter Damn it the Yankee rotation went from a huge question mark to having a really awesome one-two punch in C.C and Pineda. Montero better be everything the Yankee machine made him out to be for this trade to work out for the Mariners. Yankees signed Kuroda. Their rotation went from really weak to really strong in an hour. A CC-Pineda-Kuroda top three is pretty awesome.

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I'm not sure how I feel about this trade. The Mariners aren't built to win now, so if they are going to trade one of their stud pitchers why wasn't it Felix? Keep the cheaper arm and get the bigger haul.



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    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    I'm not sure how I feel about this trade. The Mariners aren't built to win now, so if they are going to trade one of their stud pitchers why wasn't it Felix? Keep the cheaper arm and get the bigger haul.


You are assuming someone would've given up the bigger haul. This was a lesser-risk move for the Yankees, for sure. The only upside form the M's point-of-view (IMO) is the potential that Pineda will break down.



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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.46
    Originally posted by JayJayDean
      Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
      I'm not sure how I feel about this trade. The Mariners aren't built to win now, so if they are going to trade one of their stud pitchers why wasn't it Felix? Keep the cheaper arm and get the bigger haul.


    You are assuming someone would've given up the bigger haul. This was a lesser-risk move for the Yankees, for sure. The only upside form the M's point-of-view (IMO) is the potential that Pineda will break down.


I hope they didn't just do this trade based on the worst possible outcome.

I don't think Monetro will be a bad player, but when you have a pitcher that is young, cheap and with sky's the limit potential. You really have the ultimate trade chip. Maybe there are more moves, because that lineup has been embarrassing the last couple of years. I've been really surprised by the Mariners lack of movement up until this point.

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Part of thinks the Mariners could've gotten much more for Pineda if they'd made him available, but I like this particular deal for both clubs. What a blockbuster. If both guys live up to expectations, this deal will be talked about for decades to come.

If you're Seattle, I can definitely see the logic. You have a bunch of good young pitchers in the pipeline and you can surely attract free agent arms who want to throw at Safeco Field. Bringing a free agent batter to Safeco, however, is a fool's errand. Better for the Mariners if they can get a quality young bat in a trade since that's basically the only way they can upgrade their hitting.



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.19
    Originally posted by graves9
    Montero better be everything the Yankee machine made him out to be for this trade to work out for the Mariners.


Judging by everything I've heard from guests on Simmons' podcast, the word is that Montero is...not very good. (Exhibit A: Keith Law back in July)

However, to be fair, Law is saying that Montero wouldn't make a great CATCHER. The M's could just as easily find another slot for him.

(edited by It's False on 14.1.12 1259)


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The Mariners are pulling a lot more upside in this trade. First off, Pineda might have been an all-star, but he was 9-10 with a very average 3.74 ERA in a pitcher's park (granted, the record also goes to the lineup's performance). Montero, on the other hand, should be solid enough to knock a few doubles in SafeCo at the very least.



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