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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.42
WTF Yankees pitching is garbage but A-Rod is on fire right now at the plate.


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Agreed. Igawa has been shockingly bad, Rasner and Karstens (one start) were not good, and Chase Wright imploded in the third. The bullpen has been overworked, although Rivera blew two in a row and has only pitched 6 innings this season. In 18 games now, the starting pitchers have only pitched 87.2 innings, less than 5/game. That is insane. Bruney blows the game yesterday, Proctor the day before, Vizcaino two days prior. The good news is that the Wanger starts tonight, and Moose will probably be back within the week. Pavano....who knows. Phil "Franchise" Hughes goes Thursday - that will be interesting. I just really hope Roger doesn't pick NY as his new home. Thanks, no thanks.

Every Alex Rodriguez at-bat now is a must-see. I remember how it seemed last season when Pujols homered all of the time, and Rodriguez still has a week left in the month. On top of the homers, he has a 23 game hitting streak (adding in the last 5 regular season games from 2006). He's playing a solid enough defense, and is helped offensively being right between Abreu and Giambi, who is white-hot in the last week or so. The talk I heard this morning on the Mike and the Mad Dog show was that Alex would probably opt out after this season (especially if he keeps up the pace) and that Boras was throwing around numbers like 7 years and/or $30 million per.
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.56
Don't expect these numbers next year once he has a new contract. I hate how this happens in sports all the time now - only REALLY trying when it's a contract year. Fact remains, he still sucks in the playoffs. And as a longtime Yankees fan, that's still what really counts the most.

The owner of the Angels already said he wouldn't pay A-Rod $25M/yr (the rate he's currently getting), arguing that A-Rod is overpaid. If A-Rod keeps up with this pace, then great. He'll have the best season in history. But we all know why we haven't seen this from A-Rod every year before.

Karstens will be fine long-term. Rasner likely will as well, to a lesser extent. Hughes is carrying the world on his shoulders now, given the high hopes for his performance and the fact that the Yankees rotations is currently in shambles. Clearly, his ascension is being sped up as a result of the mess on top.

Every year, I cringe when the Yankees' rotation gets another year older. Sure, Mussina had a great year in `06. He was one of the main reasons they made the playoffs. But he's still another year older. Given the sorry state of the pitching available in the off-season, I may have chosen to sign Mussina myself if I was working for the Yankees.

The problem with the Yankees is simple. Year after year, they seem to make the same moves - signing players who have already peaked. There's no risk or creativity, for the most part. At least they've stopped trading away their future. If they don't sign Willis the first chance they get, they're not idiots, they're tools. Their rotation has been the biggest problem in the last 7 years, constantly dropping the ball when it matters most - and losing to younger pitchers usually.

The Yankees were winning in the late 90s because of their homegrown talent and a few good trades (Paul O'Neill, for example). Now... they're moving back to that formula finally and keeping the Hugheses, the Cabreras, and the Kevin Thompsons. Thank god for that, or who knows who would be filling in the holes now.


(edited by chill on 24.4.07 1114)


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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.40
    Originally posted by chill
    Don't expect these numbers next year once he has a new contract. I hate how this happens in sports all the time now - only REALLY trying when it's a contract year. Fact remains, he still sucks in the playoffs. And as a longtime Yankees fan, that's still what really counts the most.


Yeah, the fact that he signed the biggest contract baseball history the last time he was a free agent really caused him to go in the toilet for a couple of years.

1999 - .285, 42 HR, 111 RBI
2000 - .316, 41 HR, 132 RBI
*signs ginormous contract*
2001 - .318, 52 HR, 135 RBI
2002 - .300, 57 HR, 142 RBI
2003 - .298, 47 HR, 118 RBI

EDIT: Last year he hit .290 with 35 HR and 121 RBI. I wish players on MY team were that good when the weren't "REALLY trying".

(edited by JayJayDean on 24.4.07 0928)


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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.56
And at the rate he's going at right now, he only needs three months total to start coming close to some of those home run numbers.

My point isn't to say he's been dogging it, but that he's clearly had the potential all along to do what he's doing now. Not many are going to believe that he suddenly evolved overnight into the player we're seeing right now, which is making him seem like Superman.



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    Originally posted by chill
    And at the rate he's going at right now, he only needs three months total to start coming close to some of those home run numbers.

    My point isn't to say he's been dogging it, but that he's clearly had the potential all along to do what he's doing now. Not many are going to believe that he suddenly evolved overnight into the player we're seeing right now, which is making him seem like Superman.

OR - He's just really hot at the start of the season, which is when numbers such as these get noticed. If someone goes 1 for 25 in the middle of June, it doesn't get as much publicity compared to starting your season that way.
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.56
    Originally posted by Sec19Row53
      Originally posted by chill
      And at the rate he's going at right now, he only needs three months total to start coming close to some of those home run numbers.

      My point isn't to say he's been dogging it, but that he's clearly had the potential all along to do what he's doing now. Not many are going to believe that he suddenly evolved overnight into the player we're seeing right now, which is making him seem like Superman.

    OR - He's just really hot at the start of the season, which is when numbers such as these get noticed. If someone goes 1 for 25 in the middle of June, it doesn't get as much publicity compared to starting your season that way.


Tell that to Justin Mourneau. Worked out pretty well for him last year. Jermaine Dye had a hot start to last season, but that got him nowhere.

Ultimately, you may be right. A-Rod might drop for the rest of the season. But there's such a hoopla because everyone and their dog expected A-Rod to come out swinging for a new contract the way he is now. No one is happier right now than his agent. Except no one knew A-Rod could be THIS good! And as a Yankees fan, I'm bummed that he could only muster up ONE hit in the playoffs last year. And only TWO the year before. This just makes it seem like A-Rod wasn't giving it 100% before.



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.11
    Originally posted by chill
    And as a Yankees fan, I'm bummed that he could only muster up ONE hit in the playoffs last year. And only TWO the year before. This just makes it seem like A-Rod wasn't giving it 100% before.

If he joins Lou on the north side next year, this won't matter (says this Cubs fan). :-)
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Igawa was advertised as barely a back end of the rotation/middle relief guy, so his struggling shouldn't be shocking. Pitchers with questionable stuff that throw the ball high get demolished in the American League.
Anyone who was holding out hope that Pavano would stay healthy was crazy. Considering his loss as damaging is the same as if the Red Sox considered the loss of 2005 All-Star Matt Clement damaging.
Karstens is mediocre at best.
Pettite has been outstanding, but how long can he hold up if Torre keeps using him out of the bullpen considering his past elbow problems?
Farnsworth is not a big time pitcher.
Proctor just causes me to do a Capt. Harris from Police Academy impression whenever he enters a game and Torre will Quantrill his, and Vizcaino's, arm out by Flag Day at the rate he's being used.
Abreu has no power left in his bat.
The nagging injuries Damon used to play through are now causing him to leave games early/sit out games.
Jeter appears to have lost about a 1/2 step going into the hole.
Rivera, maybe it is just his annual blip on the radar. But, no reliever has ever had a run like his, and perhaps the run is over. If that is the case, the Yankees are in significant trouble.
As for A-Rod: No one mentions that he no longer has Mattingly as his hitting coach this season and he suddenly becomes the explosive bat he once was. Now, if Mattingly had become hitting coach this season, the stories on 'How Donnie Baseball Resurrected A-Rod' would be rampant in the New York press.
For now, the Yankees are a last place team and God knows I love that. It won't last for long, but when they get swept by Tampa to drop to last, you have to savor it. Tampa can hit. Besides Kazmir they can't pitch and their bullpen is Black hole of Calcutta bad, but they can hit. Yankees will be able to power their way to victories, but if they need to go to the pen for 3-5 innings every night, they might fade quickly once the hot weather comes. And, with Torre on the last year of his contract, George's now disgraced soon to be ex-son-in-law instrumental in talking George out of firing him after last season, and both Girardi in the YES booth and Mattingly on the bench wanting Torre's job, things could get very ugly, very quickly.

(edited by redsoxnation on 24.4.07 2229)


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It's far too early to say how things will end up, but if the Yanks have a terrible season... as in DISASTROUS, then it won't be a bad thing. This team has been heading the wrong direction for too many years now, and father time is catching up to make them realize their errors. If a complete rehaul of their aging team is what the Yankees need to restake their claim to greatness, then any Yankees fan should be willing to let a few seasons go by without the expectation of competing every October.

Need to be gone:
-Damon (love him, but as stated, he's a liability)
-Farnsworth (why is he still on the team anyway??)
-Hideki Matsui (there, I said it, and I like him more than Damon... better to trade him while you can... something the Yankees never do)
-Pavano (sadly, hasn't stayed healthy enough for Seattle or St. Louis to want him)
-Mussina (call it a day and let him be someone else's worry)

Will be gone:
-Abreu (free agent - I don't care if he doesn't have power anymore, he's got a great arm and he's a good contact hitter)
-Mo Rivera (will likely be replaced by K-Rod if you believe rumors... but I'd be fine with Proctor)
-A-Rod (you gotta be kidding if you think he isn't leaving)

Keep Cabrera and Thompson around in the outfield, or at least have Thompson as the fourth outfielder if they can sign someone decent. Preferably not Andruw Jones, who seems like the perfect candidate for the Yankees - signing a guy who's near his peak.



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.24
If ARod is hitting like this in September and the yanks are out of last place, then I will take notice. As for now, he is the 2007 version of Dave Winfield - he's "Mr. April"



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.84
    Originally posted by chill
    And at the rate he's going at right now, he only needs three months total to start coming close to some of those home run numbers.

    My point isn't to say he's been dogging it, but that he's clearly had the potential all along to do what he's doing now. Not many are going to believe that he suddenly evolved overnight into the player we're seeing right now, which is making him seem like Superman.


Why do I get the notion you've never played a sport your entire life (feel free to argue otherwise, I really don't care)? They're called slumps, bad years, what have you. Furthermore, while his numbers are incredible, it's still the beginning of the season. April. Give it some time before you start spouting off about what needs to be done with the organization to save it when things haven't picked up yet. All-Star break, fine, but not now.

Seriously, have you ever stopped and realized that MLB hasn't hired you for your wild intuition for good reason?

Furthermore, as a Yankees fan, I would say a terrible season would be disastrous. What kind of nincompoop says it wouldn't be a bad thing if his team had a losing season, unless they aren't really his team?



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Here's the thing about A-Rod....he puts up monster years EVERY year. Even last year, which was considered a down season for him, was still better than all but about 10 players in the majors. I think A-Rod is something of a jerk, but Yankees fans are idiots for latching onto him as the scapegoat for why the team hasn't won the Series in the last three years. Hello? The whole team couldn't hit Tigers pitching last October, not just Rodriguez.

I will laugh and laugh some more if A-Rod finishes with some kind of legendary Ruthian season....and the Yankees miss the playoffs.



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.84
    Originally posted by Big Bad
    Here's the thing about A-Rod....he puts up monster years EVERY year. Even last year, which was considered a down season for him, was still better than all but about 10 players in the majors. I think A-Rod is something of a jerk, but Yankees fans are idiots for latching onto him as the scapegoat for why the team hasn't won the Series in the last three years. Hello? The whole team couldn't hit Tigers pitching last October, not just Rodriguez.

    I will laugh and laugh some more if A-Rod finishes with some kind of legendary Ruthian season....and the Yankees miss the playoffs.


Devout Yankees fan here. I remember who Don Mattingly was, in fact, I remember who Steve Balboni was. Stood on home plate of Yankee Stadium. I will say now, as I've said since they picked up Randy Johnson, that they NEED PITCHING. Johnson didn't do too poorly, but he really wasn't the shot in the arm ace the team needed either. Honestly, the best pitchers the Yankees have right now are Wang and Mussina, who are both solid ground ball pitchers, keeping play between Cano and Jeter, who can make the crazy double plays when they walk somebody. You can keep Pavano, Pettite (only because I'm a little dumbfounded when I people wet themselves over the guy, but I'll wait and see if he pans out). Christ, think they can get their hands on Clemens? Bullpen has serious issues too, as Rivera has blown a few saves this year. I'm was not entirely on the Zito wagon, mind you, but do you think they'll actually trade somebody, ANYBODY, for pitching? Realistically, I could easily see unloading Damon or Giambi for a fine enough pitcher.



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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.76
    Originally posted by Lexus
    Realistically, I could easily see unloading Damon or Giambi for a fine enough pitcher.
Realistically, they've been trying to unload Giambi since 2003 (or before), and have had ZERO luck. No one is going to touch that contract, even now with just this season and next remaining. With Damon's health woes, it is hard to imagine even Boston would trade for him back. I think the Yanks are stuck there on both accounts. Mussina is due to pitch Thursday against Texas, so with him, Wang, and Pettitte back together, we can trot Hughes out there until Igawa starts to suck again or Pavano comes back. I am sure the former will happen WAY before the latter. With Pavano's injury history, he'll be back sometime around August, 2011. Unfortunately, Igawa will probably suck way before then.

Thanks for the Steve Balboni name drop, very nostalgiac...
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