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http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=240831110
All I can say is WOW! 22-0 is an amazing score and even better is that it was done to this Yankees team. Lets just say that the Yankees are falling and falling fast. At this point I can really see the Sox catching them.
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Did anyone see this game? Was it the pitching staff's fault, poor fielding, a combination of both, or what?



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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.36
    Originally posted by eviljonhunt81
    Did anyone see this game? Was it the pitching staff's fault, poor fielding, a combination of both, or what?


To be honest with you, the Indians just hit the hell out of the ball. I was watching it and they just shelled everybody. The pitching wasn't great, but the Indians had one of those nights where they hit EVERYTHING on the screws. Hell, Omar Vizquel had a chance to go 7-for-7 before flying out late in the game.
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    Originally posted by Bullitt



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BWHAHAHAHA!!! I flipped channels and saw the 9th inning score of 19-0, then saw Victor Martinez smash a 3-run homer. Amazing. Last time I remember seeing a score like that was when the Tribe sucked but would go to Oakland and whoop ass in consecutive games by scores of 19-0 and 20-2.

Of course, guess who is gonna be playing in October (hint - not the Indians.) Damn that 9-game slide!



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    BWHAHAHAHA!!! I flipped channels and saw the 9th inning score of 19-0, then saw Victor Martinez smash a 3-run homer. Amazing. Last time I remember seeing a score like that was when the Tribe sucked but would go to Oakland and whoop ass in consecutive games by scores of 19-0 and 20-2.

    Of course, guess who is gonna be playing in October (hint - not the Indians.) Damn that 9-game slide!


Whatever, I am jealous of what you guys have out there. V-Mart is gonna be da man. They have some great players there, you guys just need to sign some pitching this offseason (Matt Morris and Russ Ortiz would be some nice pickups).

I am kinda shocked about what I read about Jeremy Guthrie. I saw him pitch when he was with Stanford and thought he was the real deal.

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I went to the Red Sox game last night and it sure was fun to watch the left field scoreboard. The Clevelad score just kept going up and up and up. Fenway fans were loving it, starting "Let's go Cleveland" chants.
I still think chanting "Yankees Suck" while your team is playing the Angels appears a bit ....obsessive.
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    Originally posted by dwaters
    I still think chanting "Yankees Suck" while your team is playing the Angels appears a bit ....obsessive.


Dude, you're a Red Sox fan. Of COURSE you're obsessive. :-)

And take it from an old-school Brewers fan..."Yankees Suck" is an appropriate chant at ANY time. Try it at your next local wedding reception...cheap pop-o-rama!



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    Originally posted by whatever
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    BWHAHAHAHA!!! I flipped channels and saw the 9th inning score of 19-0, then saw Victor Martinez smash a 3-run homer. Amazing. Last time I remember seeing a score like that was when the Tribe sucked but would go to Oakland and whoop ass in consecutive games by scores of 19-0 and 20-2.

    Of course, guess who is gonna be playing in October (hint - not the Indians.) Damn that 9-game slide!


Nine game slide aside, Wedge and the office are doing a good job. They are way ahead of where they should be and with a little more pitching they are contenders. Go Tribe!



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    Originally posted by eviljonhunt81
    Did anyone see this game? Was it the pitching staff's fault, poor fielding, a combination of both, or what?


The Yanks line has 0 errors. If you can have that in a game where the other team put the ball in play so many times, it's hard to fault fielding. The pitchers just couldn't get anybody out.

Does anyone else find it funny that the Yanks, for whom I seldom share the disdain of many others, have, for the millions and millions they spend on payroll, only Tanyon Sturtze to give the ball to to try and stop the bleeding?



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Does anyone thinks that the Yanks have a chance to win it all this year? They have no pitching. Their starting staff is in shambles and those three late inning guys (Quantrill, Gordon, Mariano) have got to be getting fatigued. They could be one and out. When is the last time that happened?
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.36
    Originally posted by BigSteve
    They could be one and out. When is the last time that happened?


Two years ago, against Anaheim.

To answer your other question, no, I don't think they have enough to win it all. They've got a lot of offense no doubt, but their pitching is brutal. They've got enough to beat some teams, like the Twins (who aside from Johan Santana haven't got anything special) or the Red Sox (because some on, one is the Yankees and the other the Sox), but that's about it. The A's are a better team, and if not for the fact that I don't think they'll get in I'd say the same about the Angels. You could see four better teams make it from the NL.

You can't get by with just hitting or just pitching in the playoffs, not against top contenders. Depending on the first round matchups, I don't see the Yanks going any further than the ALCS this time around.



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    Originally posted by BigVitoMark
      Originally posted by BigSteve
      They could be one and out. When is the last time that happened?


    Two years ago, against Anaheim.

    To answer your other question, no, I don't think they have enough to win it all. They've got a lot of offense no doubt, but their pitching is brutal. They've got enough to beat some teams, like the Twins (who aside from Johan Santana haven't got anything special) or the Red Sox (because some on, one is the Yankees and the other the Sox), but that's about it. The A's are a better team, and if not for the fact that I don't think they'll get in I'd say the same about the Angels. You could see four better teams make it from the NL.

    You can't get by with just hitting or just pitching in the playoffs, not against top contenders. Depending on the first round matchups, I don't see the Yanks going any further than the ALCS this time around.


Are you kidding me about the A's? No one in that lineup scares me at all!!! The Sox have Ortiz and Manny (no one in that A's lineup can hold a candle to either of these guys). This is the A's problem every year, they never have enough hitting to get them over the top. In my opinion, Graham Koonce should be up playing for them as he would give them the power they need in the middle of that lineup, but what do I know?

And I would rather have Schilling/Pedro in a tight playoff series than Mulder/Hudson.



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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.32
If their sticks heat up, they can make it to the Series. If they don't, their starting pitching is so weak, they are screwed. The thing to pay attention to is the 0 part of 22 to nothing.



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.87
    Originally posted by BigSteve
    They have no pitching.
Mussina, Brown, Vazquez, Hernandez, Lieber, Quantrill, Gordon, and Mariano Rivera. Wow, if only they had some pitching. Granted, Hernandez is the only pitcher consistant at this point, but as long as they are healthy at the end of the month, gimme the dice. Mariano has been fine. Gordon and Quantrill HAVE to need rest, and I am pretty sure that they will get it with the added roster guys.

As a Yankee fan, of course I am concerned. Boston is white-hot and is a great team. If they passed the Yanks, the wild-card would be a dogfight if they didn't just fade right out. But Mussina, Brown, Vazquez, Hernandez, and Lieber ain't chopped liver, and while not one Yankee is having any assemblence of a career year, I cannot see them not winning it all this year. While I hold this belief every year about my beloved Bombers, I at least have been right 50% of the time since '96.

    Originally posted by BigVitoMark
    Does anyone else find it funny that the Yanks, for whom I seldom share the disdain of many others, have, for the millions and millions they spend on payroll, only Tanyon Sturtze to give the ball to to try and stop the bleeding?
Isn't this called "mop-up duty"? Who do you want a team to have in reserve for the occasional blowout or early-in-the-game thumping, Bob Gibson? Say what you want about Sturtze, but watching this guy come in and more often than not keep the Yanks in the game (or at least just eat up innings while giving up only a few runs) while there starters suck ass, has been a nice surprise. It certainly doesn't mean the guy is starting Game 1 of a playoff series any time soon, but hey, you don't win games without guys like that.



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.93
    Originally posted by jfkfc
      Originally posted by BigSteve
      They have no pitching.
    Mussina, Brown, Vazquez, Hernandez, Lieber, Quantrill, Gordon, and Mariano Rivera. Wow, if only they had some pitching. Granted, Hernandez is the only pitcher consistant at this point, but as long as they are healthy at the end of the month, gimme the dice. Mariano has been fine. Gordon and Quantrill HAVE to need rest, and I am pretty sure that they will get it with the added roster guys.

    As a Yankee fan, of course I am concerned. Boston is white-hot and is a great team. If they passed the Yanks, the wild-card would be a dogfight if they didn't just fade right out. But Mussina, Brown, Vazquez, Hernandez, and Lieber ain't chopped liver, and while not one Yankee is having any assemblence of a career year, I cannot see them not winning it all this year. While I hold this belief every year about my beloved Bombers, I at least have been right 50% of the time since '96.


Yes...the Yankees have some nice names starting game for them, but they don't have the numbers. Javier Vazquez is leading the team in ERA*, which at the beginning of the year probably wouldn't have surprised anyone. The problem is, he's doing it with a 4.62 ERA. They only have two starting pitchers that have pitched enough innings to qualify for the league ERA title, Vazquez, and Jon Lieber (three, counting Loaiza, but that trade has worked out so well Loaiza is relegated to mop-up duty). Mike Mussina has a 5.43 ERA, and an 8-9 record. He's been awful this year, and I think he's probably hiding an injury.
Jon Lieber is in his first year back after Tommy John surgery, hardly a guy you want to Kevin Brown has pitched the best out of any of them save for El Duque, but he's missed significant time this year, and, he's Kevin Brown. With him, there is always a distinct chance that his back will give out or he'll pull a groin, or a back muscle, or something.
The fact about the bullpen is that Gordon and Rivera are both being used more than they have in recent years, and there is still a month left in the season. Gordon has a history of arm problems, and he's already pitched as many innings as he did all of last season, and almost as many as the two seasons previous - combined. Rivera will probably pitch the second highest innings total of his career this year, what kind of affect will that have on his arm? He's not as young as he was in 1996 when he threw 107 2/3s innings. Last year he threw 70, and this year he's already at 68. The last time he threw 80+ innings was 2001, and we all remember what happened to him in the World Series that year. He also only had 45 appearances (46 innings) in 2002 after that workload. Is he going to be good to go next year?

    Originally posted by jfkfc
    ...while not one Yankee is having any assemblence of a career year, I cannot see them not winning it all this year. While I hold this belief every year about my beloved Bombers, I at least have been right 50% of the time since '96.


See, the funny thing about this is that I can say the exact opposite, and be just as right as you are.



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As of today, September 2nd, the Yankees have a 4.71 ERA. The Tampa Bay Devil Rays have a mere 4.63.



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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.27
    Originally posted by jfkfc
    Mussina, Brown, Vazquez, Hernandez, Lieber, Quantrill, Gordon, and Mariano Rivera. Wow, if only they had some pitching.


Mussina: Hurt
Brown: Hurt...if not now, soon
Vazquez: Hit or miss, ERA near 5
Hernandez: I'll give ya this one
Lieber: .500 guy with an ERA near 5
Quantrill/Gordon/Rivera: OK, you're in good shape if you get a lead into the 7th

If the Yanks are gonna win anything this year, they'll need to score 8 runs a night just to be safe. You can not bank on this group.

    Originally posted by jfkfc
    Isn't this called "mop-up duty"? Who do you want a team to have in reserve for the occasional blowout or early-in-the-game thumping, Bob Gibson? Say what you want about Sturtze, but watching this guy come in and more often than not keep the Yanks in the game (or at least just eat up innings while giving up only a few runs) while there starters suck ass, has been a nice surprise. It certainly doesn't mean the guy is starting Game 1 of a playoff series any time soon, but hey, you don't win games without guys like that.


Tanyon Sturtze's ERA is 5.90. This is the guy you're counting on to keep you in games? He got run out of the bullpen in Toronto. Toronto, for crying out loud. I could pitch middle relief for the Blue Jays, and they didn't want Tanyon Sturtze. If you can't win games without that guy, you've got more problems than you realize.



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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.87
    Originally posted by Whitebacon
    See, the funny thing about this is that I can say the exact opposite, and be just as right as you are.
Sure, about the Yankees you could....but how about your Cubs?



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