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This is Lee Sinins' term for todays roster moves, anyway. I quote:

    Originally posted by Lee Sinins' ATM Report
    1) The Yankees designated P Steve Karsay for assignment and will call up 2B
    Robinson Cano. Meanwhile, valuable Redsox asset Tony Womack moves from 2B
    to LF, Hideki Matsui will move from LF to CF and Bernie Williams will be a
    parttime DH.

    ...


    2) Yankees P Randy Johnson will miss his start tomorrow, due to stiffness
    in his groin, and could be headed to the DL.

    3) Yankees 1B Tino Martinez was out of yesterday's lineup, due to flulike
    symptoms.


Womack in LF has got to hurt. I know I wouldn't feel too good about my team starting Tony Womack in left field, anyway. Bernie's defense has been a liability, but moving Matsui and more or less replacing him with Robinson Cano in the lineup... yikes. The Yankees are now stuck with a bottleneck at DH, too, with both Giambi and Williams being liabilities in the field.
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The Big Unit has stiffness in his groin?



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Bernie can't throw the ball is one of the reasons provided for them putting him on the bench. Of course, he hasn't been able to throw the ball for years, and has never hit in April. For some reason the Yankee line-up doesn't look as imposing with Phillips/Cano/Womack composing the bottom third of it, especially with Giambi and his magic strikeouts just in front of the troika.
And, the line-up isn't the reason the Yankees are struggling. The bullpen is putrid. Mussina isn't the Mussina of '98 anymore, Pavano has been decent, Johnson has only been decent/good before being hurt, Wright has been much better since he got injured, and Brown out and out sucks(and those two outs are two more than he usually can get before giving up first inning runs). When they are pitching someone from Double-A followed by the Mighty Wang, with Brown in front of them it is an indication the rotation is in some trouble. The ticking you are hearing is coming from the owners box should his horse not win the Derby on Saturday.
As for the bottleneck at DH, wait until Sierra comes off the DL. That will be three for one spot, because Sierra is a disaster in the field.

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    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    Wright has been much better since he got injured,




This made me laugh.


Everything said was pretty much spot on though.



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.23
    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    Bernie can't throw the ball is one of the reasons provided for them putting him on the bench. Of course, he hasn't been able to throw the ball for years, and has never hit in April. For some reason the Yankee line-up doesn't look as imposing with Phillips/Cano/Womack composing the bottom third of it, especially with Giambi and his magic strikeouts just in front of the troika.
    And, the line-up isn't the reason the Yankees are struggling. The bullpen is putrid. Mussina isn't the Mussina of '98 anymore, Pavano has been decent, Johnson has only been decent/good before being hurt, Wright has been much better since he got injured, and Brown out and out sucks(and those two outs are two more than he usually can get before giving up first inning runs). When they are pitching someone from Double-A followed by the Mighty Wang, with Brown in front of them it is an indication the rotation is in some trouble. The ticking you are hearing is coming from the owners box should his horse not win the Derby on Saturday.
    As for the bottleneck at DH, wait until Sierra comes off the DL. That will be three for one spot, because Sierra is a disaster in the field.

    (edited by redsoxnation on 3.5.05 2222)
My mom has a better arm than Bernie Williams ever did. How he ever won a Gold Glove is beyond me, but how Palmiero ever won a Gold Glove at first is also beyond me. As per Torre, the move to put Bernie at DH/bench is mainly because of "shoulder soreness", which loosely translates into "George told Brian who told me to bench Bernie because of that shitty throw the other day and his shitty early-season hitting." That said, Bernie Williams is still the man. I don't know if people outside of the NY area or non-Yankee fans truly appreciate - this is a big deal. This is his 15th season as a Yankee. For me, it puts it into perspective to remember who the 3 outfielders were when he came up: Mel Hall, Roberto "I got sent away for Paul O'Neill" Kelly, and Jesse Barfield. Again, in my opinion, it would almost be the same as if I saw Mariano in the 8th, setting up for Colter Bean.

Sturtze comes off of the DL within the week, so they will be dumping someone else. I think the clear favorite for this honor is F-Rod, who has only a slightly better arm that Bernie - he just happens to throw harder. Also, Kevin Brown (I haven't heard this anywhere, just speculating in my head) may have thrown his last pitch as a Yankee. Between generally sucking ass and the wall-punch last season, coupled with George's quick trigger on "Yankees that just plain suck", the end is near. If Wright was healthy (wow, that just made me laugh typing it!) Brown would be....um...somewhere else. To this day, I still cannot believe that the Yanks parlayed Ted Lilly into Kevin Brown...although technically, they parlayed The Fat Toad into Kevin Brown. If Spicolli...um, Sean Henn, shows a glimmer of promise, Brown will be elsewhere by week's end.

Giambi's days are numbered. Would any team at all even bother putting this guy on the 25 man roster for just the major league minimum? He cannot hit, and his ability to play first is right up there with Wright's ability to stay healthy....well, maybe not as well. George could flat out release Giambi and the Yanks wouldn't miss him in the least. Hell, it would make all the fans that can't stand him all the happier that they could openly curse his name. Imagine hearing Bob Sheppard's voice announcing: "Your attention please....pinch hitting for the Oakland A's...number 25...Jason.....Giambi." It would get ugly.

It could get ugly for Cashman too. Can the Yankees please please please stop taking once-hurt pitchers coming off a good year for the Braves? Hammond, Karsay, Wright, it ain't looking good.



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I would like to point out that the Yankees are 6.5 games behind the Orioles.

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    Originally posted by Grimis
    I would like to point out that the Yankees are 6.5 games behind the Orioles.

    Thanks.


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Boston Red Sox: 14-12, .538, 3 GB
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When Wright came up with the Tribe, he was a Yankee killer. I'm glad to see he is keeping up the tradition.



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    Originally posted by jfkfc
    That said, Bernie Williams is still the man. I don't know if people outside of the NY area or non-Yankee fans truly appreciate - this is a big deal. This is his 15th season as a Yankee. For me, it puts it into perspective to remember who the 3 outfielders were when he came up: Mel Hall, Roberto "I got sent away for Paul O'Neill" Kelly, and Jesse Barfield.








Trust me, Red Sox fans respect and feared Bernie.
As for the '91 Yankee outfield: Hall beat Boston on a walk-off home run off Reardon on Memorial Day that year. Barfield was past his prime. And, my hatred for Roberto Kelly will never cease. After taking a 1 run lead off of Melido Perez in the 8th on a Sunday in September when Boston had come from 11 1/2 back to within 1/2 game, Kelly puts an 0-2 Reardon pitch into the screen with two outs in the bottom of the 9th. Game goes into extra innings, Matt Young stops on his way from the bullpen to bullshit with Brunansky; RSN still regrets not jumping the stands to attack Young, Young walks the ballpark, Yankees win in extra innings. Red Sox end up collapsing down the stretch, the ultimate indignity being losing a doubleheader to Baltimore with Dwight Evans knocking in the winning run for the Birds.
As for the O's in first place: How the hell does that line-up get shut out 4 times at Camden Yards?

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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29
    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    As for the O's in first place: How the hell does that line-up get shut out 4 times at Camden Yards?
Beats the hell out of me; they are 8-7 at home, and 9-2 on the road, and 8-1 in day games.

Incidentally:

Brian Roberts
Home: .339, 4, 12
Road: .400, 4, 15

Miguel Tejada
Home: .321, 6, 16
Road: .373, 3, 16

Who knows...



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I've been harping about this since I heard they signed Johnson. The Yankee bullpen is a shambles. Add in the fact that a lot of my friends are O's fans, this season has been rough. So long as the O's beat the tar out of Boston, I think I can live.



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The Yankees Starting Rotation includes Randy Johnson, Kevin Brown, and Mike Mussina...New York, where former aces go to die.



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I would love to be on the crack staff that comes up with these ...



(edited by BigDaddyLoco on 5.5.05 2343)


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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.83
    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    I would love to be on the crack staff that comes up with these ...
Today's are even better:
NY Daily News


Kevin Brown in regards to his last debacle/outing: "A couple of balls hit to somebody and the game is a completely different game. That's the way the game is."

Talk about a bad example. I now think that every time my son does something wrong, like forgetting his homework (and telling me that another kid took it off his desk), spilling food on the floor and leaving it (telling me his sister bumped into him and should clean it up herself), or peeing all over the toilet seat (explaining that if I had put a nightlight in the bathroom, he would have been able to tell that the seat was down to begin with), my first thought will be "Has he been listening to Kevin Brown making post-game comments again???"



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Taking Bernie out and putting Womack in left is idiocy. Matsui as center fielder is a poor idea as well. Bernie might be slowing down, but Matsui is no speed demon. And I could give a fuck about the gold gloves he won in Japan. That means nothing in the MLB. Bernie, along with Jeter, Tino, Moose and Mo Rivera, are the only Yankees left that I respect. Those guys are classy players, and to bench Bernie to put some unproven minor leaguer at second and Tony fucking Womack in the outfield is insulting. The championship teams from the nineties kicked everybody's asses with grit and heart and tough baseball, not with an overpaid collection of "marquee names." There wasn't anybody like A-Rod on those teams, with his numbers or his bitchy attitude. They need to get more players like Bernie, not put him on the fucking bench.

Also, as a Red Sox fan, I would rather lose to the Yanks than the Orioles. The success they're having with that godawful pitching staff is unexplainable. we must unite and knock them off. If the Sox are going to lose, they should lose to a team that deserves to win, not a team that picks up Sammy Sosa when they should have went out and got some pitching.



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.83
    Originally posted by Jakegnosis
    Taking Bernie out and putting Womack in left is idiocy. Matsui as center fielder is a poor idea as well. Bernie might be slowing down, but Matsui is no speed demon. And I could give a fuck about the gold gloves he won in Japan. That means nothing in the MLB.
I don't quite follow your logic. If you have ever seen Matsui play the outfield, you would be able to plainly see that what he lacks in speed is more than made up for with instinct and the fact that the first step he takes on a ball hit to him is almost ALWAYS in the right direction. If speed is all you need, why not put Womack in center? Because he would eat ass in CF. Matsui may not win the gold glove in CF, but he will be good, and as you said, "I could give a fuck about the gold gloves..." (wherever - remember Palmiero won a GG at 1B, so they mean nothing).
    Originally posted by Jakegnosis
    Bernie, along with Jeter, Tino, Moose and Mo Rivera, are the only Yankees left that I respect. Those guys are classy players...
Please, I beg you Jake, do NOT put Mussina in the same galaxy as Mo, Tino, Bernie, and Jeter. Mussina is, in my opinion, a complete fucking asshole, a Yankee I could root for as hard as Roger Clemmens, Jason Giambi, Danny Tartabull, Doyle Alexander, or McFinger, which is not at all.

I was happy that Carl Everett got that double in the 9th off of him. To loosely quote the immortal Garth Algar, "If Mussina was an ice-cream flavor, he would be pralines and dick."



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4 Games into the Robinson Cano era(or error), and 4 losses for the Steinbrenner 9. On the bright side, only 1 shopping day until the next Kevin Brown start. I'm going to go out on the limb now: By the time the Yankees arrive at Shea Stadium on May 20th after going out on the West Coast, Joe Torre Will NOT be the manager of the New York Yankees. It might be George firing him, it might be reassignment in the organization, quitting out of loyalty to Mel when George cans him, or the always reliable 'health reasons', but Joe Torre won't be at the controls when they face Willie Randolph.
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As a Mets fan I must say I actually LIKE Bernie Williams, which of course is not anything I can say about any other Yankee. As much as I hate him he's always been a good guy and very professional (yeah I know so has Jeter, but I hate him anyway). I hate to see this taken out on him because as it's been said it's the pitching that has been sucking. Matsui could be a good center fielder, but Womack in left? Has he ever played in the outfield before? How has he been doing since the move? I don't watch the Yankees games so I don't know. If they didn't want Bernie's defense in center I would've just switched Matsui and Bernie.

Considering their pitching and center field problems, I guess they should've gone after Beltran and Pedro after all. But we got them instead. Go Mets!



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Even as a Yankee fan, I can't come up with any way to spin this "shakeup" into something positive. It is bad on many levels.

The only way it can work is if Kano has a Brian Roberts year. I don't think he's even a good AAA player or a good defensive second baseman.

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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.23
    Originally posted by skorpio17
    Even as a Yankee fan, I can't come up with any way to spin this "shakeup" into something positive. It is bad on many levels.
Well, not that this idea is "positive", but according to Graziano in the Ledger on Sunday (nj.com), it's a showcase deal...although an .087 BA (Cano) doesn't exactly scream "GIVE ME YOUR ZITOS AND CLEMENS' AND HUDDLED GOLDEN-ARMED MASSES!"



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