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Okay, First off, let me preface this by saying that while I generally love movies derived from comics, I never actually read comics. So, with that being said I have a question that my girlfriend asked me, that I really had no clue about.

With Wolverine, in the X2 movie, they are showing where he is from and how his skeleton was "made" with the metal.
The question is, was he MADE a mutant by this process, or did he have some special gift that made the implanting of the metal possible?

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Wolverine has a natural healing factor. It's featured in both movies (bullet to the head, putting out the cigar in his palm, ect.) This made it possible for the long and extremely torturous process to happen because his body would keep regenerating. He also has heightened senses, although I'm not sure if he developed them or if they are due to him being a mutant. Although, apparently (at least in the comics) he has real retractable bone claws in his arms that the adamantium coated.



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I came across this a while ago.

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Quite possibly one of the best non-porn sites ever.



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According to my mother, Hugh Jackman's mutant ability is to be 'so cute.'

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X-E's co-Worst Poster of all time! Jkyle.com says:

Wolverine's senses are part of his mutant powers.



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#6 Posted on
    Originally posted by MollyFan2K2
    He also has heightened senses, although I'm not sure if he developed them or if they are due to him being a mutant.


His heightened senses (though not really focued on too much in the movies) are also a mutant ability.

By the way, also in the comics, adamantium can't be melted, like it was in the movie. The process of bonding the stuff (a synthetic material) to a skeleton (originally done to Daredevil nemesis Bullseye, but only on his broken spine) entails bonding its molecules to the bones.

(edited by Dagent913 on 28.5.03 2316)


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#7 Posted on

    Originally posted by Dagent913
      Originally posted by MollyFan2K2
      He also has heightened senses, although I'm not sure if he developed them or if they are due to him being a mutant.


    His heightened senses (though not really focued on too much in the movies) are also a mutant ability.

    By the way, also in the comics, adamantium can't be melted, like it was in the movie. The process of bonding the stuff (a synthetic material) to a skeleton (originally done to Daredevil nemesis Bullseye, but only on his broken spine) entails bonding its molecules to the bones.

    (edited by Dagent913 on 28.5.03 2316)



Wolvie got it done before Bullseye I thought? I thought Bullseye's adamantium fusion was done recently?



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X-E's co-Worst Poster of all time! Jkyle.com says:

Bullseye's bonding was done more recently than Wolverine's bonding, that's for sure. The comics have yet to say when Logan's original bonding took place.



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I believe its said wolverine recieved the bonding process in 1968...although in revised continuity, who knows.

Also, a question. I know bullseye has adamantium laced to his bones or spine or whatever, but how does he keep it in his system without getting adamantium poisoning? The reason that does not affect wolverine is b/c of his healing factor. However in the instances wolverine's healing factor is not working, the adamantium poisoning takes into effect.

(edited by The Vile1 on 29.5.03 0033)



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X-E's co-Worst Poster of all time! Jkyle.com says:


    Originally posted by The Vile1
    I believe its said wolverine recieved the bonding process in 1968...although in revised continuity, who knows.
The biggest problem here is that everything we've been shown of his past (that isn't Origin) falls under "maybe/maybe not blah blah blah memory implants bullshit"

I don't know how Bullseye, survives. Never thought about it, but now it's starting to annoy me... someone do tell.



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Thank you all for your answers!
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My justification in my mind for how Bullseye lives is that the adamantium is just on his spine since that was broken by DareDevil, and that the Weapon X people got adamantium on their whole body. Perhaps Bullseye has just enough to survive whereas if it was on his entire body he would die?



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    Originally posted by The Vile1
    I believe its said wolverine recieved the bonding process in 1968...although in revised continuity, who knows.

    Also, a question. I know bullseye has adamantium laced to his bones or spine or whatever, but how does he keep it in his system without getting adamantium poisoning? The reason that does not affect wolverine is b/c of his healing factor. However in the instances wolverine's healing factor is not working, the adamantium poisoning takes into effect.

    (edited by The Vile1 on 29.5.03 0033)



It's not really adamantium poisoning, it's actually anemia caused by the metal interfering with the normal production of blood cells. Or, at least, that's what they came up with during the original "Wolvie loses his healing factor" story waaay back when.

Also, the original explanation for his heightened senses was tied into his healing factor (remember way back, when mutants really only had ONE power?) in that his sensory organs, being maintained for so long at peak condition, had somehow evolved past the normal level.

And, to clear up the "bone claws" thing once and for all...

The bone claws were added solely because they looked cool, and make ZERO sense in any way, shape, or form. Look at his claws when they're metal. They're basically long, single-edged knives. There's no ROOM for any bone underneath. They're solid adamantium, and when they're in his arm they rest comfortably in his forearm, between and to either side of the two bones there. If they were the bone claws that they got such a kick out of drawing, there wouldn't be any room for them there... his arm would be horribly deformed-looking and he'd be unable to rotate his forearm.

If his claws were "natural", they'd be on his fingertips, because a "beneficial" animal-related mutation would NOT grow retractable claws, in your ARM, that have to make their own holes every time they came out. The only even remotely reasonable explanation I've ever heard for the bone claws was that his body was going haywire, his healing factor way out of control (thus the bestial Wolvie), and his body somehow grew the bone claws from scratch because it thought SOMETHING had to go where those weird muscles were. It still doesn't explain his complete lack of a nose during that time, but that's what happens when you give artists too much creative control in the writing department.

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X-E's co-Worst Poster of all time! Jkyle.com says:

I can understand the compensation theory to support the bone claws, but how on earth did the muscles get there?



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    Originally posted by AngryJohnny
    I can understand the compensation theory to support the bone claws, but how on earth did the muscles get there?


The muscles were part of the bonding process. In fact, they may even be "synthetic" muscle or something of that nature. (I can't remember for sure, and my comic collection is inaccessable.)

It wouldn't be all that difficult a process, truly. They're talking, now, about the potential to literally add semi-functional wings to people in the near future. The mind tends to re-map itself, taking new musculature into consideration, fairly quickly. I'd imagine it took him a little while to get used to popping the claws out at will, but beyond that...



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#16 Posted on
Man you people are getting too scientific about all this. Wolverine has claws, it's pretty cool, end of story. Who cares about the scenitificness of it. Can you scientifically explain how Cyclops shoots beams out his eyes? Or how any character comes back to life? It's all made up! Just enjoy it.



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Well, getting scientific about it is just another way to enjoy it, right? No one is making you care about the geektastic science of comics speculation.

[and I do mean geektastic in the most flattering sense, of course. ;)]



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#18 Posted on

    Originally posted by Nate The Snake

      Originally posted by AngryJohnny
      I can understand the compensation theory to support the bone claws, but how on earth did the muscles get there?


    The muscles were part of the bonding process. In fact, they may even be "synthetic" muscle or something of that nature. (I can't remember for sure, and my comic collection is inaccessable.)




A case could be made that the muscles built themselves to support the new bone structure.




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Y'know, I thought we saw Bullseye with the adamantium before we met Wolvie, but now I'm not so sure, I think you guys could be right. The timeline's a bit fuzzy in my head. Crap, now this is going to be bugging me the rest of the night.



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I hear for the next movie they fired Hugh Jackman and plan to replace him with Hugh Jass.


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