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Since: 17.1.02
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#1 Posted on
I hadn't picked up a comic book in about 10 years, but after seeing the movie last weekend I decided to stop by the local comic establishment and pick up a couple to see if I still liked the stories as much as I did back then.

When I quit reading The X-Universe as the store labeled the X-man section consisted of Uncanny, X-men, X-Factor, X-Force, Wolverine, Excalibure and I think that was about it.

Now the X-man section takes up about a 5'X7' wall section. After standing there thanking god I hadn't tried to keep up over the years the way I had when I was a kid I picked up two collections, New X-men volume #1, and Ultimate X-Men volume #1, and one book, X-treme X-Men, part one of God Loves Man Kills part2 because I saw Claremont's name on it and I stopped reading the X-books shortly after he left.

Ok so now to the questions.
1) What should I pick up first, whos doing the best stories right now, I was underwhelmed by New X-men volume #1 and didn't care for the art, does it pick up in #2. Was very surprised by how much I liked the modern X-men in Ultimate and will grab volume #2 next time I stop by.

2) Who came up with the name X-treme X-men, thatís a stupid title, does everything have to be X-treme, is this brought to me by Mountain Dew?, however on the other hand are they collecting this in volumes? Iíd like to get the backstory on this particular team, has Claremont been on since #1?

3) If someone has the time what title relates to which (IE is New X-men the simply titled X-men.

4) Where is Jim Lee, his pencil work was my favorite.

Thanks

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1) Even though i find it hard to believe that you didn't like New X-men's art and story, go ahead and pick up Vol. 2. Also, anything by Brian Micheal Bendis.

2)Claremont has been on since #1 and it is still the wordiest and most boring (except for the art) title on the market.

3) New X-men=x-MEN
Uncanny X-Men=Uncanny X-Men
Ultimate X-Men-Brand new universe sorta-kinda
Xtreme X-Men-title seemingly created so Claremont could write B-Level X-Men

4) Jim Lee's art can currently be seen gracing the pages of Batman(!) if you can believe it.




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#3 Posted on

    Originally posted by RecklessEric
    1) Even though i find it hard to believe that you didn't like New X-men's art and story, go ahead and pick up Vol. 2. Also, anything by Brian Micheal Bendis.

    2)Claremont has been on since #1 and it is still the wordiest and most boring (except for the art) title on the market.

    3) New X-men=x-MEN
    Uncanny X-Men=Uncanny X-Men
    Ultimate X-Men-Brand new universe sorta-kinda
    Xtreme X-Men-title seemingly created so Claremont could write B-Level X-Men

    4) Jim Lee's art can currently be seen gracing the pages of Batman(!) if you can believe it.



1) I think my problem with the writing on New X-men was as much to do with I had no Idea what was going on with the characters, I knew most of their basic backstory but Cyclops was just coming off being possessed and now they were dropping straight into Prof. X being possessed. And well artwork is a matter of taste, it was good but I don't know something about it struck me wrong.

2&3) Thanks

4) WOW, batman, I'll have to pick up an issue or two to see how he handles such a dark book, its still dark right?




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#4 Posted on
I haven't really been into New X-Men, mostly because they keep screwing with Cyclops, completely reinventing the character. I actually like what they're starting to do with Uncanny, especially because Juggernaught's always been a favorite of mine.
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.59
1. Ultimate X-Men goes from high to lows, the first two story arcs are amazing after that it fizzles out. The X-Men/Ultimates was a lame crossover with no real ending. The Return of the King storyline is getting really good though. Wade through Ultimate X-Men, it does get better. New X-Men just sucks. Morrison is way overrated. Uncanny is starting new with a 25 cent comic, give it a shot.

2. X-treme is a weird book even thogh they killed Psylock in issue 4 or 5, I can't remember. Claremenot has lost his touch with the book.

3. Been answered by everyone

4. If you get a chance the first few issues are in trades by the name of Hush. Him and Loeb are the dream team right now in comics. Best comic book by far this year.

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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.74
As much as I hate admitting this, Weapon X has become my favorite X-Title at the moment.

Yeah, the first issue was shit and all the intro issues were shitty as well, but then, about mid way through the 2nd issue, I don't know, I can't really explain it... just SOMETHING did it for me, I was hooked on it. Was it Mesmero caring for his sick mother while being a complete ass to everyone else in the world, was it the idea of having Sauron sneaking out of the complex at night to 'feed' and getting away with it, was it someone using Marrow in a good way... I don't know. Even... SPOILER!!!
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Check it out, they are doing some good stuff with it.

Claremont's writing has gotten so bad they had to give hime his own title cause he couldn't write stories that fit into normal continuity all that well. Read that series and it just doesn't feel like an Xmen book at all, the art's not all bad if you can get past the coloring but overall, it's one you won't miss by not getting.

New Xmen does have an art problem in that they let bad artists like Igor Kordey do fill-in issues and it looks horrible compared to the regular artist's work; HOWEVER, the story is top notch and well worth sitting through.



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.28
I'm in the same boat as the original poster.

I stopped reading (as I do with all comics) when I couldn't keep up with the various universes and who's who in what time and place stuff. That really started with Mojo World and really went over the edge with the introduction of "back in time" characters like Cable and Bishop.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for "mysterious pasts" and "how are these characters related" storylines. I though how Magneto and Xavier's history together was slowly revealed was genius. It's just when I read every issue of a title and I STILL can't figure out what the hell is going on that I get frustrated.

I think for all of us who stopped reading after the Claremont era, this because an issue, because the continuity was so great for 10 years because the writer never changed. Then the writer changed, 87 new titles got introduced, and everything became uncomprehensable. I can't imagine it's much better now.



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#8 Posted on
My favorite is a quote from Claremont when he says that "they took 15 years of work and flushed it in 18 months."

Of most concern for him was the loss of all his hard work in making sure that Magneto was never seen as a pure villian, but rather as an extremely passionate man with flawed vision. It took him years to evolve him. And Moe is correct--the way Xavier's and Magneto's past unfolded was great.

The market flod of the 90s is mostly to blame for all the continuity issues. You had five or six different writers all with separate agendas mucking with the histories of 20 odd characters. I'm surprised it's not MORE f-ed up.

I have read issues of New X-Men and have liked some if it.



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.96
First there was...
X-Men during the 60s and 70s. The sales were the shit, so they changed the format to reprints to save money. Then, Giant-Sized X-Men hit stands in a one shot deal, making X-Men cool again. Around this time X-Men was renamed Uncanny X-Men and original stories were started up again. After a while, they came up with X-Men, an adjectiveless new series to compliment Uncanny. After a while, it got kinda stale, so new writers were brought in to spruce things up. To give things a feeling of "newness", X-Men was renamed New X-Men and X-Treme X-Men was launched as a terciary title. Right now, New & Uncanny are the primary comics.



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I've been reading ALL the X-comics for just about 15 years now, and I'd say that a lot of what's going on now is some of the best stuff in quite some time (the last truly great story in my mind was The Age of Apocalypse. After that, it was downhill until the most recent revamp). My assessment:

New X-Men-- took me a while to get used to, but by the end of the Cassandra Nova storyarc, I found myself really enjoying it. I like Grant Morrison's writing, but I was never a fan of Frank Quitely. I always found him to be overrated, not Morrison. Ethan van Sciver, however, is totally underrated. The issue the Phil Jimenez filled in on looked beautiful to me.

Uncanny-- I was disappointed by Joe Casey's run (Poptopia was crap), and the jury's still out on Chuck Austen's run. I could do without the revolving door in the penciler slot, though.

X-Treme-- I have no idea who came up with that title. I've started to like that title a little more recently, but I hated it when it started. I hated the non-reaction to Psylocke's death (except for Thunderbird's--what a dumb character. Note to Claremont: Hindus don't use "Shiva" and "god" interchangeably, as in, they don't say things like "Oh my Shiva!") Also, Claremont can't write Bishop, who was one of the first characters created after he left the first time, I believe (btw, I don't like bashing Claremont, after all I pretty much grew up with his stories, but I do feel like he's kinda lost his touch).

X-Force/X-Statix-- brick, do you know about this title? If not: they hijacked the old X-Force title with a completely new concept with all new characters and created the most original X-book in years (it was later renamed X-Statix with a new #1). In addition to being a great superhero book, it's also got some fine mass media/pop-culture satire stuffed in there.

Weapon X-- This book is ok, but looks to be getting better. The issue Cerebus was referring to in his spoiler was the best one so far.

Agent X (formerly Deadpool)-- Hilarious. Gone too soon.

Soldier X (formerly Cable)-- Good concept, questionable execution. Igor Korday's art takes some getting used to. Also gone, but Nathan Summers has recently turned up again in Weapon X.

Ultimate X-Men-- I liked the first storyarc, but since then the book has been pretty sub-par, up until Ultimate War (am I the only one who liked this crossover?) and the current Return of the King storyline. They already did the Proteus and Phoenix stories, both of which went out with a whimper.

I also recommend the recent Mekanix limited series (should now be in trade paperback, or at least soon), which is a Kitty Pryde solo story. I know I kind of criticized Claremont earlier, but he definintely got it right with this story. It seems to me that Kitty is Claremont's favorite character.

I know I left out a lot, but I think I've typed enough for now.



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#11 Posted on

    Originally posted by Freeway420
    First there was...
    X-Men during the 60s and 70s. The sales were the shit, so they changed the format to reprints to save money. Then, Giant-Sized X-Men hit stands in a one shot deal, making X-Men cool again. Around this time X-Men was renamed Uncanny X-Men and original stories were started up again. After a while, they came up with X-Men, an adjectiveless new series to compliment Uncanny. After a while, it got kinda stale, so new writers were brought in to spruce things up. To give things a feeling of "newness", X-Men was renamed New X-Men and X-Treme X-Men was launched as a terciary title. Right now, New & Uncanny are the primary comics.



This leads me to a question I've had for a while. Is there a good site that recaps comic stories? I haven't followed some of my favorites (X-Men, Spider-Man, Superman) in a long time, mainly due to economic reasons. But, I'm curious as to what's been going on with these characters. I get bits and pieces from Wizard, but usually not enough. I've tried searching Google, but to no avail.

I'd appreciate any suggestion. Thanks.



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.91

    Originally posted by A Fan
    Morrison is way overrated.


You're out of your fucking mind.

Anyhow, I stopped reading X-Men around 1993, but I picked up the first Ultimate X-Men and New X-Men trades to see what was up.

New X-Men was hard to get into because it's mired in continuity, and there's no way I'm going to read 10 years of back issues to catch up. Also, Frank Quitely is a good artist, but he's the laziest man in the world. If he can't be bothered to turn out 22 pages of artwork every month, I'd rather see another artist on the book who could. I hate it when a book doesn't have a regular artist, it makes it hard to get into. Morrison seems to be coasting to make some money, much like Garth Ennis, but that's fine, because he's still better than 99% of the people in the field. I liked his Emma Frost especially, with the five creepy little blonde girls as her proteges. I liked it, but didn't love it.

I enjoyed Ultimate X-Men much more. Everything was fresh, Mark Millar is a solid writer, and the stories were fast and furious, with great pacing and some real mark-out moments. It's nice to see them as teenagers again, too. It's bizarre to see a thirtysomething Cyclops and Jean in New X-Men. The art is really good for an action comic, and Millar manages to make the old stories really cool again. It's much better than his work on The Authority and The Ultimates, in my opinion. He's not as good as Morrison, but Ultimate isn't as cluttered and hard to follow as New X-Men, so I prefer it.




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#13 Posted on

    Originally posted by SchippeWreck
    This leads me to a question I've had for a while. Is there a good site that recaps comic stories? I haven't followed some of my favorites (X-Men, Spider-Man, Superman) in a long time, mainly due to economic reasons. But, I'm curious as to what's been going on with these characters. I get bits and pieces from Wizard, but usually not enough. I've tried searching Google, but to no avail.

    I'd appreciate any suggestion. Thanks.



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#14 Posted on
Admittedly this is slightly off topic, but I see alot of, "I just went back to the comic book store in XX years and ..."

I can't believe the post doesn't end up a little different subjeect.

As a young girl I had a fair shake of a comic book collection

...mostly because my brother had a, and I'll use the technical term here, 'crap-load' of comics and lived at the local comic establishment.

Eventually, with the 90s in full bloom, all comic book stores on the face of the earth vanished and so did his (our) enthusiasm.

Which brings us to last week, and a brand new (although you would not know it to look at the stock inside) comic book store opens nearby. I decided, hey I got 15 mins to wait for the future doctors and lawyers at Dominoes to finish my pizza, so I will go in.

Holy crap! As you say, there is about 10 zillion different X-Men, Spiderman and Superman incarnations...but more importantly to me is this...

WHEN DID IT COST $100 DOLLARS FOR 1 COMIC BOOK, that as far as I can tell is only about 8 pages long!!! Yes, I know, lovely pictures, great artwork, etc, etc. And whats this, still the 4 pages of ads at the end...so this works out to be what 25 bucks a page?

Perhaps I have just grown a 'bitch' hat in my 20s, but I'd rather have the old-school newsprint with 50 pages and a little story than this. I can only imagine a Lord of the Rings comic book run(they probably have one, excuse my naivity)...the friggin thing would have to be 2000 issues in length just to get to the Two Towers.



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#15 Posted on

    Originally posted by SchippeWreck
    This leads me to a question I've had for a while. Is there a good site that recaps comic stories? I haven't followed some of my favorites (X-Men, Spider-Man, Superman) in a long time, mainly due to economic reasons. But, I'm curious as to what's been going on with these characters. I get bits and pieces from Wizard, but usually not enough. I've tried searching Google, but to no avail.

    I'd appreciate any suggestion. Thanks.



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I've been reading comics all my life, but I dropped the X-titles long, long ago and didn't come back until Morrison came on New X-Men. I'd been underwhelmed by his work on JLA, but I still liked his work, and I've been enjoying New X-Men enough that I've picked up a few other books -- mostly Agent X and X-Statix.

X-Statix seems to be one of those books that few people are indifferent about -- they either love it passionately or hate it with the fire of a thousand burning suns. If you're the kind of person who prefers standard superheroics, avoid X-Statix (and probably New X-Men, for that matter) -- Uncanny or X-Treme would probably be more your speed.

One book no one has mentioned is Exiles, which can basically be summed up as Quantum Leap with X-Men in; it's about a team of alternate-universe X-Men who go hopping from one universe to another on missions. It's pretty easy to drop into because they basically start over with a new universe every few issues. The writing's decent and the art is good, but the concept gets repetitive fast.



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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
one reason i dropped comics, they (marvel books) were $2.50 (american) an issue back in 2000 (Jan)....have the prices dropped any since then? (I hope)



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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.41

    Originally posted by rikidozan
    one reason i dropped comics, they (marvel books) were $2.50 (american) an issue back in 2000 (Jan)....have the prices dropped any since then? (I hope)


Not really. I'm not sure any books have a price point below two bucks anymore.





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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.08
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$2.25 seems to be the going rate, but most comic stores will go to $2 even.
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