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http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=2960510

Skateboarder Jake Brown
Pretty incredible this man is still alive after the fall. His shoes completely blew up. In case you missed it the link is posted with video.



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With apologies for my uncharacteristic use of blasphemy (though I use profanity all the time), the only two words I can think of to describe this video are "Jesus, God."

The fact that he came away with only a slight concussion is, quite simply, a miracle. Perhaps it was part good luck, part good training (landing on your back and absorbing the impact with as much of the surface of your body as possible is how they teach pro wrestlers to fall), but I'd say it was divine intervention, too.



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That's got to be about the busiest 3 seconds ever in his brain -- the whole assortment of "Aw shit" & "Flip around" & "This isn't the kind of highlight reel I wanted to be make" & "Mom's gonna be sooo annoyed" & "oh, this is gonna hurt" & "Hello, Prudential?" ...

I thought it was incredibly stupid that they *let* him walk off on his own, but damn impressed that he could!

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ESPNews is reporting this morning that he is still in the hospital with a bruised lung and bruised liver. Yes, lucky to have only those injuries. Ouch.




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Okay.. I'm well out of the "X-Games" target market, no argument there. But I happened to catch this while looking/waiting for Baseball Tonight, and I commented in a chat, "Oh look, some Nimrod just killed himself on ESPN".

At least pro wrestling was safe when I got roped into it, but this just reeks of a big corporation making money off young kids taking huge risks for a little bit of cash, a little bit of fame ... and maybe in their wildest dreams the hope of one day getting Tony Hawk's videogame deal. It semi-disgusts me that someone would set up that "big air" contraption, and let people throw their futures around like that.

I know, I know, they'd only be crunching their groins trying to skate down railings if there wasn't a made-for-TV Rollerball arena provided...




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    Originally posted by TheOldMan
    At least pro wrestling was safe when I got roped into it, but this just reeks of a big corporation making money off young kids taking huge risks for a little bit of cash, a little bit of fame ... and maybe in their wildest dreams the hope of one day getting Tony Hawk's videogame deal. It semi-disgusts me that someone would set up that "big air" contraption, and let people throw their futures around like that.

    I know, I know, they'd only be crunching their groins trying to skate down railings if there wasn't a made-for-TV Rollerball arena provided...


Please explain to me how that big air ramp makes for significantly more danger than faced by competitors in such "accepted" sporting events as luge & skeleton, downhill skiing, ski jumping, platform diving, hockey, football, gymnastics, bull riding, just about any form of auto or motorcycle racing, wrestling, boxing, MMA, etc. Even figure skating is dangerous.

That's why these people train so long and hard; it's not like there's an entrance outside with a sign that says, "Step right up," nor are competitors are press-ganged into performing. There is no such thing as risk-free sport. The athletes know this and train accordingly.

It may seem ludicrous to you that people would want to take part in X-Games-style events, but to suggest that this is an example of corporate exploitation any more than the Olympics or any professional sport is awfully disingenuous (or, less politely, totally fucking ignorant).
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    Originally posted by TheOldMan
    Okay.. I'm well out of the "X-Games" target market, no argument there. But I happened to catch this while looking/waiting for Baseball Tonight, and I commented in a chat, "Oh look, some Nimrod just killed himself on ESPN".

    At least pro wrestling was safe when I got roped into it, but this just reeks of a big corporation making money off young kids taking huge risks for a little bit of cash, a little bit of fame ... and maybe in their wildest dreams the hope of one day getting Tony Hawk's videogame deal. It semi-disgusts me that someone would set up that "big air" contraption, and let people throw their futures around like that.

    I know, I know, they'd only be crunching their groins trying to skate down railings if there wasn't a made-for-TV Rollerball arena provided...


These types of accidents don't happen everyday in professional skating, which is part of the reason this is so eye-opening and thread-worthy. This is a rare occurrence and pro skaters don't suffer anymore injuries than anyone else in another sport. NASCAR features drivers going at speeds of up to 200 MPH and even with all the safety equipment in the world, an occasional serious crash like the one Dale Earnhardt had five years ago is unavoidable. Likewise, a spill like this one is also unavoidable, even with all the pads and helmets in the world.

As sports evolve, so do safety precautions. Baseball players didn't always wear helmets, ditto football players, and the aforementioned Earnhardt crash got NASCAR moving towards new safety precautions. Maybe a horrific fall like this will inspire some new safety precautions for the Big Air ramp in time for the next X Games.

Compared to the Olympics, NASCAR, football, and other established sports that have rare freak injuries, the X Games is still very new (only in its 13th year). New safety precautions are part of the evolution of any sport and the X Games won't be any different. In the future, I'm sure this type of incident will become even less frequent than it already is.

Having said all that, DAMN that was one nasty fall!

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    Originally posted by tarnish
    It may seem ludicrous to you that people would want to take part in X-Games-style events, but to suggest that this is an example of corporate exploitation any more than the Olympics or any professional sport is awfully disingenuous (or, less politely, totally fucking ignorant).



I think I made it reasonably clear that I don't watch X Games regularly, so I suppose 'ignorant' is a fair cop, but let me say - I have been called 'totally fucking ignorant' by people a lot cleverer than you, my friend.

Ad hominem aside, my general objection is based on this enterprise appearing to be a manufactured-for-TV sport. To wit, made big by ESPN/ABC, and featuring a host of interchangeable 20-something xtreme athletes. A cursory look suggests that there is "prize money", but I couldn't find anything saying specifically how much people can make by participating. It's perfect for the You Tube culture - Do something spectacular, you can be on TV! But it seems reasonable to me that as time goes by, the temptation would be to make bigger and more spectacular thrills. And so you get something like "big air".

As crazy as Evel Kneivel was, at least he was setting the parameters of what he would jump, and he was getting decent money. X Games just seems so damned contrived to me. And I imagine there are people in emergency rooms all across the country trying to someday get their shot at glory. Again I say glory, since there doesn't seem to be much mention of money.

As to other sports, I won't go down the whole list, but will note that wrestling has it's own problems, I feel boxing should have been outlawed 10 years ago, MMA is only viable today because a company came in and cleaned it up - and even so, I think it's one step above human pitbull fighting. Getting back to the X Games, I took one look at that "big air" contraption, and saw that a bad accident was reasonably foreseeable. I think they were lucky the kid got off so light, from the looks of it. (To be fair - far as I know, no one's ever died in the X Games.)

My opinion is that it's a contrived sport, and exploitative of the athletes. If you so strongly disagree, how about defending the X Games by educating us, instead of attacking other sports/name calling?




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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.71
    Originally posted by TheOldMan
    To wit, made big by ESPN/ABC, and featuring a host of interchangeable 20-something xtreme athletes. A cursory look suggests that there is "prize money", but I couldn't find anything saying specifically how much people can make by participating.

If you don't watch a particular sport, you could use the term "a bunch of interchangeable 20-something athletes" to describe any team or group. To the fans, there are very distinct athletes/personalities.

The BMX prizemoney is listed here:
http://www.hsabmx.com/x-games/prize-purse/x-games-13---prize-money-announced.html
I'd assume the Skate money would be similar, but my guess is the Exposure from being an X-Games gold medalist would bring sponsorship revenue that makes it more lucrative.
So, Brown, got his prize money, plus a bunch of notoriety and presumably extra sponsorships out of it. He walked out at the "Home Depot Centre" during the MotoX and got a massive reception. It's not as if they're just doing it for kicks at that level. Sure most of them still seem to get pumped doing something they love, but they just happen to be very, very good at it and can actually make decent coin out of it.
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I have no real vested interest in defending the X-Games, per se, seeing as how I'm not, myself, a real big fan of them. But I will defend the viewpoint that the X-Games are no more exploitative than any other sporting endeavor.

What I was largely reacting to, too strongly in that last parenthetical (and I apologize for the ad hominem attack), was the notion that there's any more exploitation going on with the X-Games than with any other sporting event. Sports are about the spectacle: at their best, they're about the spectacle of watching highly trained, highly motivated athletes at the absolute apex of their talents and abilities succeed at things that we mere mortals can only dream of; at their worst, the spectacle of brawls, riots, falls, and crashes. Bread and circuses. Sadly, they cannot be separated.

That "big air contraption" is totally ludicrous, as are the ramps that the motocross guys are hitting (and the tricks they're doing), as are the freestyle skiing ramps, as are the street layouts for skateboarding and BMX. But you can find similar ridiculousness in all sports: hockey players are bigger, stronger, faster, and smarter than they were even 10 years ago; the size and strength of NFL players is utterly crazy these days; we keep pushing ourselves further, faster, higher. Thirty years ago, the very thought of a quadruple jump in figure skating was laughable; now a male skater pretty much can't hope to win a competition without landing one and soon enough the same will be true for the women. And the physical penalty for not landing an attempted quad is potentially far worse than the competitive penalty. Gymnasts starve themselves and ruin their bodies to get a taste of the Big Time (which, for gymnasts, doesn't even really involve financial reward). High School football players and wrestlers have been juicing since the eighties if SI is to be believed. People pay to see it, ergo it's available to be seen and the motivation to "get there" overrides whatever common sense is available to a hormone-addled teen. X-games competitions are just easier for some kids to relate to because in most cases you don't need to start off with sick genetics or talent in order to believe that you can succeed. Although the list of athletes may be a who's who of nobodies to you, rest assured that every one of them who gets to that level is a major star to those who follow the sport. Can you name a US Olympic gymnast since Kerri Strugg? I can't either. How about a wrestler since Kurt Angle? But just because I don't know the names of the athletes doesn't mean nobody does or that they don't have major followings. These athletes are paid to perform via sponsorships and prize money. I shed no tears for them on that account.

Lastly, how many major injuries took place in the X-Games this time? Last time? I'm willing to put a fiver on it that there were more serious injuries in the average NFL weekend last season. There were probably more crashes in the average NASCAR race, too. The injuries are spectacular, especially when that's what gets out to those of us who don't generally watch the games themselves. But if you dig around a little (or go to something like EXPN.com), you'll find that there are remarkable things being done all the time; some of these sports are still so new that the bar is being raised every time there's a competition.

Put it this way: I'm quite sure that more people could tell you what happened to Joe Theisman's leg in Week 11 of the 1985 NFL season than could tell you who won the game or even what teams were involved. And while most of us look at that Big Ass Ramp uv Dewm and see an accident waiting to happen, the truth is, Brown's fall was the only real bail in the whole competition. A bad accident is "reasonably foreseeable" every time a football team takes to the field, too, and we should be surprised every week they don't happen (or at least the spectacular ones don't). But they keep playing the games; and we keep watching.


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    Originally posted by emma
    That's got to be about the busiest 3 seconds ever in his brain -- the whole assortment of "Aw shit" & "Flip around" & "This isn't the kind of highlight reel I wanted to be make" & "Mom's gonna be sooo annoyed" & "oh, this is gonna hurt" & "Hello, Prudential?" ...


Dude is 32 years old!!! He's my age and doing this crazy-ass stuff?!?! Holy cow. I couldn't help but to watch that a couple of times, thinking just what emma said. Wow. Thank God he's okay, but wow.




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